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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

I would say, that depends on what is fed to it. I use Repology almost every day for information and usualy find it very reliable. I feed the repos of our distribution to it as well and it has not failed me yet. Obviously until now.

golinux

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

LinuxNews here. The 'nonsense' did not come from me. Please complain at https://repology.org/project/systemd/versions. Thank you.

Oh . . . but it did! News "sources" have an obligation to verify information before blabbing about it. Passing the buck is not an excuse for not doing your homework. Sadly, such journalistic practices are common these days. Truth is the casualty . . .

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jue-gen

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

...  The 'nonsense' did not come from me ...

If you don't give a source, don't say where you got it, it looks like it came from you ....

zapper

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

...  The 'nonsense' did not come from me ...

If you don't give a source, don't say where you got it, it looks like it came from you ....

Anytime someone says "you didn't hear it from me"

I instantly think, okay I am going to say I heard it from you.

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

I would say, that depends on what is fed to it. I use Repology almost every day for information and usualy find it very reliable. I feed the repos of our distribution to it as well and it has not failed me yet. Obviously until now.

How is repology fed for your distribution if you dont me me asking? Repology looks like quite a huge undertaking.

zapper

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

LinuxNews here. The 'nonsense' did not come from me. Please complain at https://repology.org/project/systemd/versions. Thank you.

Oh . . . but it did! News "sources" have an obligation to verify information before blabbing about it. Passing the buck is not an excuse for not doing your homework. Sadly, such journalistic practices are common these days. Truth is the casualty . . .

Truth has always been a casualty in some form or another in the history of the world, don't you know this?

However, we can thank ronald reagan for a massive increase in this.

Just sayin...

News should never be capitalistic that is the bottom line.

Profit off of the news = an opening for societal problems to increase exponentially

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

golinux high-fives dice

ditto on the high-fives!
kudos for the SG1 reference.

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

OK but... can I use dpkg hook or APT::Ignore-Files-Silently not to have such systemd unit files present on my system?

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

Same o'l argument, wtf, systemd on a non systemd system. Really sucks, that there is no NON systemd Linux any longer. If you want a non systemd you have to follow the instructions at LFS. It is a real shame. Yet, it is governments wanting access & control. Not one industry entity. https://www.linuxfromscratch.org

golinux

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

What is in a name? "Systemditis" is an imaginary affliction. If the files do nothing what does it matter except take up a few bits or is it bytes? Devuan does not have the human resources to remove all of those useless barnacles though someone did manage to do it early on for Jessie.

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zapper

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

@sinOjOs not just the government but corporations in general.

This is the same thought process of why x86 needs to be abandoned by insert distro here ________

I don't think we have gotten to a point where 32 bit is obsolete to where it can't be supported on any distro.

FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD support lots of old hardware some that is older than 32 bit x86.

So there's that.

While this isn't directly related, i feel like it has similar reasoning.

planned obsolescence is corporations mantra.  You can be pretty sure that systemd was created for a purpose similar to planned obsolescence.

Nothing sane anyhow.

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

This seems offtopic, but some seem to think they are entitled to an i386 OS, maintained and developed for free.  Unfortunately that's not how it works. Big corporations such as MS kept x86_32 alive because it was in their business interests to do so. Unlike the OpenBSD project, MS had the resources and developers to do this. This was out of necessity - i.e. due to the very large number of devices still out there at the time, which could potentially have become Linux machines if MS had moved fully to 64 bit (as Intel famously attempted with IA64).

Due to the increased usage of OpenBSD/amd64, as well as the age and practicality of most i386 hardware, only easy and critical security fixes are backported to i386. The project has more important things to focus on.

https://www.openbsd.org/i386.html

The i386 platform is a Tier 2 platform in FreeBSD 13.0 and later.

https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/i386/
(And by 15.0-release i386 will be unsupported)

Support for the platform is on the decline due to the declining numbers of machines still in use.  CPUs of the current platform, amd64, have been in production for over 20 years.

As to systemd files in Devuan, the project's standpoint is correct: Packages will come with harmless bits and pieces, such as unit files, which are not worth the trouble removing. If someone regards those files as being equivalent to systemd being installed, then you probably can't help them, as they are likely a) misinformed,  b) ideologically and emotionally driven and c) don't have the technical aptitude to learn and correct their misapprehension. If you don't like what's on offer, you aquire the skills and build your own. If you lack the skills to do this, then you either pay someone who can or you just use what's on offer.

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rolfie

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Re: Why are systemd files present in Devuan?

@blackhole: well done, nicely summarized.