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#1 2020-09-21 15:07:07

doa379
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Registered: 2020-09-21
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Looking for a new system

I'm a Debian vet for the past eight years and recently having looked at my system I'm not sure I'm liking what I see. We all know why we're here and it's systemd. But looking at Devuan more closely I'm not entirely sure if it's a permanent answer to all the woes. I see in Chimaera that there is systemd already encroaching. Too many prominent applications have already introduced systemd as a dependency. Does Devuan actually have a future apart from stemming the tide from systemd for the time being? It doesn't look like it. One might as well use non-systemd dependent apps in a Debian system and be done with it. All that Devuan is doing is replicating Debian without systemd. Replication is a wasted effort with time and resources. I appreciate that the situation is not Devuan's fault but it's curious that application developers don't stay within their own turf.

The very nature of a system like Linux is to have parts of the system decoupled. When user applications have a dependency on the init of all things this is a terrible idea.

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#2 2020-09-21 15:40:07

sgage
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Re: Looking for a new system

I'm curious, how do you see systemd 'encroaching' in Chimaera?

What Devuan is doing is a heck of a lot more complicated than you seem to think.

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#3 2020-09-21 16:55:07

doa379
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Re: Looking for a new system

I may be simplistic but I prefer to cut to the chase. If I understand correctly isn't systemd 246.5 part of Chimaera now?

The mission statement seems succinct enough to me:

Devuan GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd that allows users to reclaim control over their system by avoiding unnecessary entanglements and ensuring Init Freedom.

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#4 2020-09-21 17:02:39

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: Looking for a new system

doa379 wrote:

isn't systemd 246.5 part of Chimaera now?

No.

https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pk … e=chimaera


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#5 2020-09-21 17:06:21

larsH
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Re: Looking for a new system

Hi

No it is not. There are some empty packages for directing calls to the relevant non systemd packages. Where are you looking. I look here https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pk … e=chimaera .

Have a nice day
Lars H

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#6 2020-09-21 18:29:50

golinux
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Registered: 2016-11-25
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Re: Looking for a new system

@doa379 . . . please gain some knowledge about devuan before you speak.  Or perhaps you like embarrassing yourself . . .

https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/

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#7 2020-09-21 19:55:20

brocashelm
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Re: Looking for a new system

Golinux's post should set the record straight.

I think you're looking around for things that clearly don't exist. Devuan forks over two hundred Debian packages to remove Systemd parts, and whichever ones make it difficult to do so would end up being blacklisted for everyone's safety. It's not a perfect world, but this is as good as it's going to get.

You're more than welcome to help out the developers with bug testing, package maintenance, and so on. I find those would be a lot more constructive to the cause than making these sorts of threads.


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#8 2020-09-21 21:02:03

golinux
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Re: Looking for a new system

FYI documentation of Debian packages touched by Devuan in Beowulf.

There are 453 of which 218 deal with task-[localization] and 29 probably duplicate packages in beowulf-proposed-updates.

I wasn't aware that the number was this high.

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