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#1 2018-09-24 19:17:56

Ron
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Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

I want to test out the Trinity Desktop and that has given me a few questions. Exe GNU/Linux uses the TDE, but the latest download for it is dated 2017-12-26. Does anyone know if this version is based on Jessie or Stretch?

Also, what do you consider to be safer: A) Installing Exe GNU/Linux next to my Miyo / Mate install as a dual boot, or B) installing Trinity on my existing Miyo / Mate install?

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#2 2018-09-24 19:50:12

fsmithred
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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

I know the 2017-12-15 amd64 exegnu iso is jessie. I assume the i386 is the same.

Dual-boot first. If you want TDE on ascii, you could upgrade the exegnu or you could add TDE to a fresh ascii install. There are instructions for devuan at the TDE site. Mixing TDE with Mate in the same installation might cause some conflicts with session managers. Doing this on a test install would be the less stressful way to go.

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#3 2018-09-24 23:33:13

Ron
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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

fsmithred wrote:

Dual-boot first. If you want TDE on ascii, you could upgrade the exegnu or you could add TDE to a fresh ascii install. There are instructions for devuan at the TDE site. Mixing TDE with Mate in the same installation might cause some conflicts with session managers. Doing this on a test install would be the less stressful way to go.

That's what I figured . . . dual boot is safer. But it is more of an annoyance.  smile

If I decide to go ahead and do the dual boot, that leads me to another question. What is the difference between Devuan's live .iso and the installation .iso? The reason I ask is because I tried straight Devuan first before any derivatives, and the install just did not run smooth (I mean after the install, not the install process). I really don't remember if I downloaded the live .iso or the installation .iso. Could it be that if I installed from the live .iso (is that even possible?) that was the cause of it not running good?

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#4 2018-09-25 01:47:09

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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

The installer isos use debian-installer. It pulls packages either from the repository or from the dvd and installs them into the new system. The live isos use refractainstaller, which copies the running live system to hard drive. If you're familiar with installing debian, then you would know whether or not you used d-i when you installed devuan before.

Installing from the live takes about 10 minutes. Installing from packages (netinstall or dvd) takes a bit longer. You could have a good or bad result with either method, depending on your hardware and what you do with the install.

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#5 2018-09-25 03:13:51

Ron
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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

Thanks for the help fsmithred. Possible last questions:

1) If I decided to dual boot with Exe GNU/Linux, how would I update it to Stretch?
2) And, how to add the correct repos for current updates?

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#6 2018-09-25 04:00:07

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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

Ron wrote:

Thanks for the help fsmithred. Possible last questions:

1) If I decided to dual boot with Exe GNU/Linux, how would I update it to Stretch?
2) And, how to add the correct repos for current updates?

These two links should answer your questions:
https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt
https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list

I don't know that anyone has tried to upgrade exe-gnu jessie to ascii (stretch).  Would probably be a good idea to do it in a VM first.   Trinity does have several mail lists that might have an answer to your question in the archives.

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#7 2018-09-26 02:35:48

Ron
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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

Okay, I guess that's out. I'll have to think what I want to do.

BTW, is Exe GNU Linux no longer being maintained?

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#8 2018-09-26 07:37:43

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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

I have read this thread with great interest. As such, I took it upon myself to see if Exe Gnu could be upgraded to ASCII. The test was done in Gnome-Boxes, and after all was said and done...after upgrading the Devuan part and upgrading the TDE part, I have an up-to-date Exe Gnu based on Devuan ASCII and TDE Stretch.

I'm very UNFAMILIAR with the Trinity Desktop Environment; however, it appears that everything is working as far as I can tell in my limited experience.

Tomorrow, I plan to try this on actual hardware. If successful, I will share what I did.

Disclaimer #1 - As I said, I know very little about TDE. What may appear normal (and working) to me, may not be so to an experienced TDE user.
Disclaimer #2 - It took me several steps to upgrade. I don't know if I did it correctly or not. I've never dealt with multiple sources before (Devuan and TDE sources). The method I used may not be the best.
Disclaimer #3 - Despite Disclaimers #'s 1 and 2, I like tryin' stuff...so I tried it...and it appeared to be successful 'n stuff. smile


I have been Devuanated, and my practice in the art of Devuanism shall continue until my Devuanization is complete. Until then, I will strive to continue in my understanding of Devuanchology, Devuanprocity, and Devuanivity.

Veni, vidi, vici vdevuaned. I came, I saw, I Devuaned. wink

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#9 2018-09-27 07:33:42

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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

Okay...after a few hiccups, I have an updated Exe GNULinux on hardware. big_smile

Where to start?

EDITED TO ADD: This is by no means an official guide to upgrading ExeGNU from Jessie to ASCII. This is what I did, and it worked for me...and worked in spite of me. tongue  As you'll read, I had some hiccups along the way.

1. Installed the system and then updated/upgraded it...then rebooted.
2. Changed the sources.list to deb.devuan.org and changed jessie to ascii.
    Also added the ascii-updates and ascii-security repositories.
3. After referencing the TDE website, I changed the TDE sources in /etc/apt/sources.list.d from jessie to stretch.
4. Ran an apt upgrade and apt dist-upgrade (TDE recommends aptitude full-upgrade, but dist-upgrade does the same...as far as I know)...then rebooted.

Everything seemed fine. I opened Synaptic, and none of the buttons at the top were visible. Using the tool bar, out of curiosity, I ran a "Mark all upgrades". It showed 30-something upgrades. That agreed with what I saw in the terminal; in that, 30-something packages would NOT be upgraded. Of which...synaptic was one of them...as was xorg and several xorg related items. However, it wouldn't let me upgrade any of them. So, I started a the top of the list trying to upgrade one at a time. It was a no go. Kept getting errors. One of the packages was a lib, and when I marked it to upgrade, it wanted to remove several of the trinity items. Don't ask me what I did, but I finally got Synaptic to upgrade. After that finished, I closed Synaptic and reopened it...and...all of the buttons were then visible. smile  So, I tried the "Mark all upgrades" again, and this time, they all upgraded with no problem. big_smile

As far as I can tell, everything is working. Logout, shutdown, reboot (or whatever they're called in Trinity) are working. Had to install my wireless firmware, but it would never show in Wicd. However, I was able to use Ceni (already included) to connect to my wifi).

This was a fun experiment, and I'm glad I gave it a go! Here's a screenshot after everything was done and finished. smile

snapshot1_orig.png

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I have been Devuanated, and my practice in the art of Devuanism shall continue until my Devuanization is complete. Until then, I will strive to continue in my understanding of Devuanchology, Devuanprocity, and Devuanivity.

Veni, vidi, vici vdevuaned. I came, I saw, I Devuaned. wink

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#10 2018-09-27 17:02:54

Ron
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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

Thanks for sharing MiyoLinux. I don't think I'm that brave though. It's times like this I wish I had a spare computer to experiment on.

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#11 2018-09-27 19:03:51

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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

Ron wrote:

Thanks for sharing MiyoLinux. I don't think I'm that brave though. It's times like this I wish I had a spare computer to experiment on.

Two possible solutions for that. 1. Do it in a virtual machine. 2. Install to a usb thumb drive just like you would to a hard drive.

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#12 2018-09-27 21:37:22

Ron
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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

I think the best way for me to go is to do a dual boot, and use Miyo since I already do the same thing with it for Mate.

BTW, does anyone know if ExeGNU's creator is a member of the forum?

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#13 2018-09-27 23:46:38

golinux
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Re: Testing Exe GNULinux / Trinity Desktop

Yes, dzz is a member but I have not seen him in over a year.  Last forum visit was 2017-04-05.

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