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#1 2019-01-28 03:53:56

cretsiah
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Registered: 2019-01-28
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questions about miyo and Devuan in general

Sorry if these seem like dumb questions

Due to my awkward local network set up,
Im wondering if MIYO is the equivalent of a Graphical NET Install with all WIFI drivers included? (my wifi dongle if it helps is an Edimax model number EW- 7711UAn)

If not could a NET Install + all WIFI drivers closed session disc be made.

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to give you an example of the network:
Modem 6400 > 15 meter wifi bridge > Nighthawk 7000 > 7 meters wifi connection my computer.

to move my desktop close enough to the router (for a net install) would just be a pain in the A##@@ and getting a 15 meter cable (to keep it out kids/ wifes way would be annoying, apart from actually being able to get hold of one).
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Is the Miyo Disc download a Closed Session CD/DVD (aka Contiguous File)?

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Reason i ask is because i have a muti-iso-boot usb and so long as the img's are considered standard bootable cd/dvd i can just drop iso's on the usb and launch.  ive generally found img's with persistence /writable areas in them dont work.
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Is there a package set that allows for Flash, Java and all Audio Video codecs? think they call it PPa's in Ubuntu and non free in debian.

is there a package that allows read/write/execute on NTFS file systems? (my stuff is on a seperate partition and its in NTFS)

Is a 50gig partition big enough for a full KDE install (ie boot, root, home, swap, etc? (providing i can access the logical drive to dump files on)

Before some one says try looking at Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Manjero, MX Linux..... I did and here is what i found:

Ubuntu
- even before the systemD thing i had a bad habit of of breaking it.
- Sluggish (even the so called light weight versions Lubuntu, Xfce, LXDE, LXQT)
- after SystemD constant reboot required to regain wifi connections

Linux Mint
- didnt break it.
- constant loss of wifi connections (as above ubuntu)
- sluggish

Manjero Main
- Sluggish (as with Linux Mint and Ubuntu to the point of being unusable).
- not sure i had it on long enough to see if it also dropped wifi connections.
- not sure i had it on long enough to see I would break it or it would break on me.

Manjero OpenRC
- found it and then it was being dumped.
- more responsive ( by quite a considerable amount).
- no wifi drop outs.
- became part of Artix (my understanding was that it wasnt going to be a full distro as such but an Arch/Manjero version of Devuan. beware my understanding could be wrong on this though).

MX Linux
- no wifi drop outs
- usable but slow (Manjero Open RC was faster more responsive)
- updates made it sluggish (at least on 32-bit and on low end 64-bit processors)

Test Beds were
Lenovo G series 1.3ghz cpu, ati graphics, 8 gig ram 64-bit
Aldi Medion media center athlon ii 2.6ghz cpu, radeon 5670 graphics card, 4gig ram 32-bit


The system I would like to install Devuan on a 50gig partition.

AMD 4130 Quad Core 3.8ghz CPU
8 gig ram
64- bit
Nvidea GForce GTX 650

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#2 2019-01-28 04:22:16

golinux
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Registered: 2016-11-25
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Re: questions about miyo and Devuan in general

Have you looked at the Devuan.org website?  Many of your questions are answered on the index page, download page or os page.

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#3 2019-01-28 09:54:11

MiyoLinux
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Registered: 2016-12-05
Posts: 825  

Re: questions about miyo and Devuan in general

Hi cretsiah! Thank you for you interest in Miyo. I'll answer what I can in your quote below...please understand that Miyo is a very base and minimal system that allows users to install only what they want (or need).

cretsiah wrote:

Sorry if these seem like dumb questions

Due to my awkward local network set up,
Im wondering if MIYO is the equivalent of a Graphical NET Install with all WIFI drivers included? (my wifi dongle if it helps is an Edimax model number EW- 7711UAn)

No...sorry. Miyo is an Openbox "desktop"; albeit, it does have a graphical installation. Regarding Wifi drivers, please see my next answer below. smile

If not could a NET Install + all WIFI drivers closed session disc be made.

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to give you an example of the network:
Modem 6400 > 15 meter wifi bridge > Nighthawk 7000 > 7 meters wifi connection my computer.

to move my desktop close enough to the router (for a net install) would just be a pain in the A##@@ and getting a 15 meter cable (to keep it out kids/ wifes way would be annoying, apart from actually being able to get hold of one).

I have included as many wifi firmware as I'm aware of. Normally, an ethernet connection connects automatically. I have wifi turned off by default, so a user would have to turn it on (instructions in the "Live User Notes"). With that said, I would be very interested to know if there are any wifi firmware (that I can legally install) that I've missed somehow.
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Is the Miyo Disc download a Closed Session CD/DVD (aka Contiguous File)?

In my understanding of a contiguous file, I would say yes. Miyo isn't a persistent .iso per se.

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Reason i ask is because i have a muti-iso-boot usb and so long as the img's are considered standard bootable cd/dvd i can just drop iso's on the usb and launch.  ive generally found img's with persistence /writable areas in them dont work.
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Is there a package set that allows for Flash, Java and all Audio Video codecs? think they call it PPa's in Ubuntu and non free in debian.

I'm not aware of a package set that will include all of those packages in one fell-swoop in Devuan (I could be wrong). To my knowledge, flash and java can be installed; although, installed as separate packages.

is there a package that allows read/write/execute on NTFS file systems? (my stuff is on a seperate partition and its in NTFS)

Is a 50gig partition big enough for a full KDE install (ie boot, root, home, swap, etc? (providing i can access the logical drive to dump files on)

Before some one says try looking at Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Manjero, MX Linux..... I did and here is what i found:

Ubuntu
- even before the systemD thing i had a bad habit of of breaking it.
- Sluggish (even the so called light weight versions Lubuntu, Xfce, LXDE, LXQT)
- after SystemD constant reboot required to regain wifi connections

Linux Mint
- didnt break it.
- constant loss of wifi connections (as above ubuntu)
- sluggish

Manjero Main
- Sluggish (as with Linux Mint and Ubuntu to the point of being unusable).
- not sure i had it on long enough to see if it also dropped wifi connections.
- not sure i had it on long enough to see I would break it or it would break on me.

Manjero OpenRC
- found it and then it was being dumped.
- more responsive ( by quite a considerable amount).
- no wifi drop outs.
- became part of Artix (my understanding was that it wasnt going to be a full distro as such but an Arch/Manjero version of Devuan. beware my understanding could be wrong on this though).

MX Linux
- no wifi drop outs
- usable but slow (Manjero Open RC was faster more responsive)
- updates made it sluggish (at least on 32-bit and on low end 64-bit processors)

Test Beds were
Lenovo G series 1.3ghz cpu, ati graphics, 8 gig ram 64-bit
Aldi Medion media center athlon ii 2.6ghz cpu, radeon 5670 graphics card, 4gig ram 32-bit


The system I would like to install Devuan on a 50gig partition.

AMD 4130 Quad Core 3.8ghz CPU
8 gig ram
64- bit
Nvidea GForce GTX 650

Miyo only comes with the nouveau drivers by default. If you want to use actual Nvidea, you would have to install the appropriate packages available in the repositories. Sorry!


I have been Devuanated, and my practice in the art of Devuanism shall continue until my Devuanization is complete. Until then, I will strive to continue in my understanding of Devuanchology, Devuanprocity, and Devuanivity.

Veni, vidi, vici vdevuaned. I came, I saw, I Devuaned. wink

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#4 2019-01-28 22:32:16

cretsiah
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Registered: 2019-01-28
Posts: 6  

Re: questions about miyo and Devuan in general

Thanks to both of you.

While i  did find some of the information available in the read me file, there was still some I didnt find.

Given the information I did find, I decided to opt for the DVD size iso. that will take 3 days to download unfortunetly.

Whilst I know Miyo and the minimal live have wifi drivers, I have had an issue with the refractor installer once before, so hadnt really been interested in the live / minimal install with that setting, I have however sometimes found for some odd reason that rebuilds have a better chance of working, I cant tell you why, maybe its just my gear being temperamentental.

wasnt worried if the packages was in an all-in-one deal or not just so long as they were available, due to the fact that some websites i am apart of or use, are still beholden to the flash format, or stupidly using a java login screen.

I know I was originally looking at a full KDE install, but no im not as sure footed on this idea after poking my nose around the KDE website.
I mean is it someone's idea of a sick joke or what??
I was looking under the PIM section and seen "CIA  commit Bot" ... what the hell,

I thought it was bad enough having to submit to "Google/Chrome Web Standards"   dont you mean international standards, no pretty sure last time i looked they had google or chrome stamped on pretty much everything.

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#5 2019-01-28 22:46:42

golinux
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Re: questions about miyo and Devuan in general

@cretsiah . . . Did you find the Visual Install Guides on the website (navigation is at the bottom)?   The one for the refracta cli install hasn't been done yet but the GUI install is there.  The procedure is basically the same.  It's harder to customize a refracta install but it's very fast.  You can be up and running in 15 minutes!

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#6 2019-01-29 22:18:44

cretsiah
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Registered: 2019-01-28
Posts: 6  

Re: questions about miyo and Devuan in general

Thanks golinux...

somehow i think i missed those particular install guides, so thanks for the reference.

as mentioned in other post 14hrs till download finish sad

cant wait to get started poking around in devuan, the waiting is killing me..

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#7 2019-01-29 22:57:48

Ron
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Registered: 2018-04-22
Posts: 162  

Re: questions about miyo and Devuan in general

cretsiah wrote:
I know I was originally looking at a full KDE install, but no im not as sure footed on this idea after poking my nose around the KDE website.

Check out the Trinity desktop. It is a fork of KDE version 3.

https://www.trinitydesktop.org/

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#8 2019-01-31 09:27:47

cretsiah
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Registered: 2019-01-28
Posts: 6  

Re: questions about miyo and Devuan in general

OK so trouble Im having.....

Finally finished downloading from
https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/  (10KB/sec)

problem occurred unsure your end or mine.
problem devuan ascii 2.0 installer.iso DVD version
2 files created
devuan ascii 2.0 amd64 installer.iso (0 bytes)
devuan ascii 2.0 amd64 installer.iso.part (4.3gig)

2nd attempt
went for live iso
ftp.nluug.nl
liveamd64.iso file size 977mgs
download fine. dumped on my multiboot usb stick
error code 60 non contiguous file

3rd attempt (currently trying) download speed 10.0KB/sec
ftp.nluug.nl
minimal live amd64.iso

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#9 2019-02-01 13:34:31

fsmithred
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Registered: 2016-11-25
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Re: questions about miyo and Devuan in general

wget -c https://files.roundr.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_netinst.iso

If the download is interrupted, re-run the same command and it will continue from where it left off. (You can replace the address with your favorite mirror if you want.)

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#10 2019-02-02 15:57:51

thierrybo
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Registered: 2017-11-11
Posts: 36  

Re: questions about miyo and Devuan in general

golinux wrote:

@cretsiah . . . Did you find the Visual Install Guides on the website (navigation is at the bottom)?   The one for the refracta cli install hasn't been done yet but the GUI install is there.  The procedure is basically the same.  It's harder to customize a refracta install but it's very fast.  You can be up and running in 15 minutes!


I can't find this web page using links available on the main page , it's too bad

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#11 2019-02-02 16:07:50

golinux
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Re: questions about miyo and Devuan in general

Look on the download page.  That's where all the links to installation instructions are provided.   wink

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