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#26 2018-06-17 16:07:04

golinux
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Re: Hosted VPS server migration from debian to devuan hosed

Some feedback from irc.

<Irrwahn> golinux: That's just install via some ISO image. That's not the same as an officially supported install image, but more like "bring your own OS". And it will only work for VMs, not dedicated machines, unless you rent a KVM + virtual drive console.
<Irrwahn> By this metric virtually any old hosting company in existence can be said to have an "Install Devuan" option.

and then . . .

<Irrwahn> He could probably do that himself. ISTR that basically any customer can deposit any ISO (that meets some criteria) at their store.

and finally:

<Irrwahn> Overall, the important takeaway is: When you run Devuan on a Hetzner machine, you do so at your own devise and own risk, no support.
<Irrwahn> And that's different from their "official" OS choices.

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#27 2018-06-17 16:30:46

devuser
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Re: Hosted VPS server migration from debian to devuan hosed

golinux wrote:

Some feedback from irc.

<Irrwahn> golinux: That's just install via some ISO image. That's not the same as an officially supported install image, but more like "bring your own OS". And it will only work for VMs, not dedicated machines, unless you rent a KVM + virtual drive console.
<Irrwahn> By this metric virtually any old hosting company in existence can be said to have an "Install Devuan" option.

That's partly true. Of course it won't work for dedicated machines as those don't have virtual CD-ROM drives. As for needing a KVM and anything virtual to install ISOs on the dedicated servers... Well, no. All my dedicated boxes at Hetzner are installed from ISOs and i haven't used any of this. I also tend to somewhat disagree about the any hoster offers this statement. I've seen enough companies that will not let you mount custom ISOs at all let alone have Devuan included in the list of available ISOs.

golinux wrote:

<Irrwahn> He could probably do that himself. ISTR that basically any customer can deposit any ISO (that meets some criteria) at their store.

Well, to be honest i don't know. I've never needed this (as i can install pretty much whatever i want using just rescue mode) but i am quite sure i can't simply upload something and have it automatically be add to the list on their website.

golinux wrote:

<Irrwahn> Overall, the important takeaway is: When you run Devuan on a Hetzner machine, you do so at your own devise and own risk, no support.
<Irrwahn> And that's different from their "official" OS choices.

No offense to the guy but that made me chuckle a bit. It's not like Hetzner offers any software support at all. Even if you have some kind of network problem they'll have you boot into rescue mode and if it isn't reproduceable there it's up to you to fix it no matter what you are running.

Edit: I'll have to agree that Hetzners images are more fail safe. I had a bad MTU on one of my installs which caused me quite bit of hairloss and i guess that wouldn't have happend with their images (even if the bad MTU was just a result of me not paying enough attention). It's not like they are going to help you if you managed to break it on a supported OS though. In fact the support didn't even ask what i was running.

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#28 2018-06-17 17:17:45

devuser
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Re: Hosted VPS server migration from debian to devuan hosed

devuser wrote:
golinux wrote:

<Irrwahn> He could probably do that himself. ISTR that basically any customer can deposit any ISO (that meets some criteria) at their store.

Well, to be honest i don't know. I've never needed this (as i can install pretty much whatever i want using just rescue mode) but i am quite sure i can't simply upload something and have it automatically be add to the list on their website.

I've looked into this and found absolutely nothing. Even the KVM related wiki pages only talk about being able to mount a remote ISOs using CIFS and cloud documentation just seems to go on about selecting an ISO from the list. No mention of any upload option. I guess this doesn't exist after all but it it does some kind of pointer would be neat.

Edit: Thinking about this i'll just ask Hetzner if they can add Ascii. I need to get off the PC and make some jelly before my cherries go bad. No point in wasting time with all this grumpyness wink

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