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#1 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-05-03 17:26:11

I post here seldom... when I do post, you emerge from the woodwork...

At least your assessment of "socialist politics" was near the mark, but it's laughable that you believe that "left wing" politicians are somehow behind age verification laws in the US. The US where there is no left wing...

The billionaires in Big Tech, such as Meta lobbied for this. The capitalists you adore are behind this, all the time deflecting, leveraging the media companies they control. Meta made a tactical move, to offload the age verification which is costing them billlions, to the platform vendor / OS level. There's nothing "socialist" about that, it's what you"re supposef to believe and it's what you readily lap up.

#2 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-05-03 13:36:19

Historically, the oppressor, the despot, the tyrant, the dictatorship of the elites, has only ever been brought down by armed struggle. That hasn't changed. What has changed is how they remain in power under the illusion of democracy. While the proletariat sit by and do nothing, the ruling classes will continue to exploit them and grind them under foot. It won't happen in my lifetime, but eventually they will see the super rich, megalomaniac, psychopaths and perverts who rule over us for what they really are and it will explode. Hopefully in these times of doublespeak and hypocrisy, unjust wars and double standards, they are just beginning to awaken.

#3 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » GTK2 Revival thread » 2026-04-30 07:32:39

Devuan Users Forum

So, history often repeats itself...

#6 Re: Other Issues » T480 suspend issues on devuan's current stable » 2026-04-22 16:23:05

We're all 100% stumped too.

Assuming you have already searched and researched, I suggest asking the libreboot people if there are any known issues with suspend on that model?

#7 Re: Off-topic » ArchWiki Deletes XLibre Page, Says 'Violates Arch Code of Conduct' » 2026-04-18 09:48:19

It's very clear from the deleted page:

The Xlibre project goes against https://terms.archlinux.org/docs/code-o … t/#respect and should not be listed on ArchWiki.

This is not any objection to the page itself. This is the action of an individual or individuals associated with Arch Linux who has deemed that the Xlibre project itself, "goes against" that particular section of their code of conduct. As a result that page has been deleted, but also they are disassociating themselves.

Maligning other FOSS projects or distributions, or any other operating systems and their users is prohibited.

Except for projects they wish to exclude and diminish, mainly through censorship.

#9 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-03-25 16:17:10

I see nothing to suggest that Amutable are an "age verification agency".  I believe it goes far deeper than that.

#10 Re: Devuan » Age Verification » 2026-03-25 09:18:06

It's a slippery slope. Aside from embedded, systemd/Linux is the only Linux the corporate world cares about. Everyone who wants to avoid this will be compiling their own OS and building their own computer (becoming their own "vendor"), so this is once again, a "dragnet" tactic, which will gather up the vast majority of easy targets and force them into compliance. Corporate mouthpieces in Canonical, Debian and IBM/ Red Hat will spin it to the masses as a good thing, nothing new there.

I have a suspicion that age verification will begin in systemd, then there will be the usual push from the systemd crowd for key parts of it to be moved into the kernel.

Poettering and some other ex Microsofters recently started a new company "Amutable" - I'm not yet clear as to what Amutable will produce - i.e. what is the product, as the website if full of meaningless corpo speak babble - also not clear who is funding it all...

"We are building cryptographically verifiable integrity into Linux systems. Every system starts in a verified state and stays trusted over time."

Amutable looks to be yet another Microsoft proxy (similar to Xamarin). I.e. it's a group working on something which is better to be seen as not being a Microsoft project. That tells you everything you need to know.

Let's see if, ultimately technologies like secureboot and TPM are leveraged - then it will all become clear what this is about.

#11 Re: Off-topic » systemd starting to store birthDate » 2026-03-20 14:25:16

Meta seems to be heavily involved in, if not directly instigating this:

https://www.gadgetreview.com/reddit-use … ation-tech

Considering Meta are footing the bill for age verification on their own platform, this does make sense... pusing it into the core OS will relieve them of all but the application developers obligation: to read the age verification data from the OS. This massively lets them off the hook by shifting that to the OS level.

So any who thought this kind of corporate skullduggery was "conspiracy nonsense"', may want to have a rethink.

However, I suspect that the "way forward" will be MS, google, Apple, etc accounts. So though the linked article portrays Apple and google as the targets, I'm not sure that either will complain at being forced to capture this data. Oddly the article refers to phones, but not PCs, nor are Microsoft mentioned.

#12 Re: Off-topic » systemd starting to store birthDate » 2026-03-20 09:29:02

rurnoak wrote:

The rise of the likes of 'Microsoft loves Opensource' is just free-washing in my mind. FOSS is great when you can use a permissive license to pull the rug out from you at any point in time.

Microsoft are the same. They changed their tactics in response to the internet revolution and the fact that most people "online" are using a smartphone. There is no longer any sense in MS solely persuing Linux or other FOSS via patent trolling tactics (though it still goes on by proxy) - it has reverted to EEE tactics and is playing the long game.

While I see your point on permissive licences, that's the common fallacy to adopt a mindset that those licences are corporate friendly. It's not so black and white. OpenBSD for example is permissive licenced and has far less corporate influence and control when compared to e.g. the Linux kernel, gnome or systemd, which are all funded, managed/influenced and/or developed by "Big Tech".

I don't think it's as simple as the licencing indicating where the intentions lie or of any affilations.

Licences can be abused strategically. While the MIT licence may be used for one project for a valid reason, the "viral" nature of GPL v3 may be exploited, as a means to an end (e.g. forcing potential competitors to keep their changes open). If code, developed by a corporate entity, is released under a permissive licence, a competitor can equally utilise that, turn it proprietary and close it off. They would not be able to under GPL. So GPL is "pro business" in that respect. So in reality, business favours closed proprietary code first and foremost - but that costs money. They cab throw what amounts to peanuts at the LF and get something which is a "good enough" replacement for something like AIX, HP-UX, etc.

#13 Re: Off-topic » systemd starting to store birthDate » 2026-03-19 18:27:27

This is clearly the result of corporate lobbying by "Big Tech" to push much of the world onto Microsoft, google, Apple, etc, accounts.

As you can see, the systemd sellouts are more than willing to implement this, but ultimately, just as they sold out when it came to secureboot, the likes of IBM/Red Hat and Canonical will sell out again. The Linux Foundation sold their souls many years ago - so I can honestly see "Sign into Ubuntu with your Microsoft account" eventually becoming a reality.

The aim here is "prove you're an adult" and to do that they will get your data and track all of your activity - that's the sad reality of where this is going. "The children" is, as ever, the pretext, coming from billionaires who have only ever cared about profit and never about children, nor anyone else for that matter.

#14 Re: Devuan » Proposal "Devuan User Repository" » 2026-02-06 13:48:37

Instead of the continual comments about the board and admin - indicating some ongoing dissatisfaction, I suggest that a member of the Devuan team request a forum at LQ and once established, let the users that prefer either venue make their choices. Debian has had this for years and, overwhelmingly most users go to FDN, but a handful go there - so there's nothing harmful about it.

#15 Re: Devuan » Proposal "Devuan User Repository" » 2026-02-04 09:13:15

I'm not going to name drop anyone, but "far right" conspiracy nut posters have had a platform here. I can send you a link to a thread of racist and white supremacist comments, which was never closed. The poster only received a mild rebuke. There was also the infamous thread where the creator of a Devuan derivative posted a lot of offtopic babble, entwined with slurs related to transgender people, all with admin participation, alongside the admin posting their usual sermons. When challenged, the admin referenced the derivative creator's contributions - and the challenger's lack of - clarifying their entitlement to special treatment.

In my view, you're wasting your time. Silence is very much the same as condoning this, so one can assume that all of this accurately reflects Devuan's ethos, attitude and "culture".

I have no dog in this race - just pointing out the futility. We've been over all of this countless times before.

#16 Re: Devuan » Proposal "Devuan User Repository" » 2026-02-03 13:35:18

Ultimately if you have a problem with the admin, you have to vote with your feet. The situation has been the same here for years and most if not all of you have been aware of it. I don't tend to take it too seriously anymore.

There are "fans" of this Linux distribution who would possibly take deep personal offence at being on the receiving end of some administrative action... and there are those of us who are not invested / don't care.

The admin aren't the only perceived problem. Aside from "commie bastards" like me, there have been assorted (mostly right wing conspiracy theorist) basket cases frequenting this site over the years - given free reign - and it's likely one of the big factors in why Devuan project isn't taken seriously by many.

#17 Re: Devuan » Kde and Systemd - In the News » 2026-02-03 12:59:59

It relates to PLM (a fork of SDDM), not plasma itself, but yes it could be a sign of what's to come... otherwise, why fork SDDM to be systemd reliant and make that the default...

#18 Re: Devuan » Proposal "Devuan User Repository" » 2026-02-03 12:56:14

Wasn't this "user repository" thing, originally a 'buntu idea? PPAs...?  It was a great way to end up with a broken system. Back in the "good old days", we would see a lot of threads where someone installed from a PPA and the result was a broken mess and pleas for help. They were all free to do that and break stuff, but we were also free to not waste our time talking them through fixing it.

I'm not averse to it, but it seems pointless. Either use what's in the repositories or build whatever else you need from source?

#19 Re: Off-topic » I saw some opinions in a locked thread » 2026-02-02 15:44:53

Interesting how some can read three paragraphs of a post and only be triggered by and react to a perceived slight against the "right wing"...

@greenjeans: I'm pretty sure it will be closed.

#20 Re: Off-topic » I saw some opinions in a locked thread » 2026-02-02 09:21:48

I would like to suggest that the reasoning behind closing those threads was obvious.

I remember when there used to be off topic sections on forums like this one, where the topic was still vaguely computing related, e.g. Halloween Documents, various security flaws in Intel chips, kernel.org breach, IBM aquire Red Hat, etc, etc, etc...

Nowadays everything seems to have gone full on reddit - and we have droves of right wing nuts, the MAGA crowd, conspiracy nuts, anti vax, xenophobes and other assorted deranged types spewing vitriolic bile in all directions, regurgitating their choice of "news" all over this site...

#21 Re: Off-topic » Microsoft and encrypted data » 2026-01-28 08:50:17

tux_99 wrote:

Systemd would seem like a good candidate for such a backdoor to me, it's an essential and very complex piece of software with root privileges that runs on every Linux machine (except on the few using alternative init systems wink ) and it's predominantly developed by devs working for RH.
The kernel itself is less likely as the code is under too much scrutiny.

And the project is actually overseen and developed by a Microsofter...

The Linux kernel is probably not under enough scrutiny. It has the likes of AMD, Intel, Red Hat google and Microsoft employees committing code. It's naive to expect those can commit code to the kernel, and that some other entity / individual simply audits it... they are "trusted".  Linux is no longer the safe haven from "big tech" and that's been the case for well over a decade. The Linux Foundation website clearly shows who is running things.

#22 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » KDE SDDM Login screen white everything, can't even read texts? » 2026-01-27 17:14:07

https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-lo … equests/42

The danger here in this fork of SDDM becoming the standard display manager of KDE, is that it will result in SDDM being abandoned - and despite all the wordplay, the goals are obvious.  Greater systemd dependence [at the expense of portability] and the rationale? :

https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/1 … usable_on/

"The reason the systemd support is mandatory is to make it easier to lean more on systemd for more tasks.

At the end of the day, we don't ideally want to cut support for the BSDs and other niche distros, but we also don't want to hold back on making the best experience possible for the majority user base."

That first statement is weasel words.  This is simply an attempt to weave in systemd dependency by systemd advocates.

The second statement essentially means that only Red Hat/Debian/etc matter.

#23 Re: Off-topic » AI in Firefox or Waterfox » 2026-01-26 09:22:55

And for the "reasons covered in this article", you may want to rethink your choice of using Linux:

https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/linux.html

Or not...

In reality, his articles are notoriously biased and opinionated, strewn with misleading and exaggerated wording, cherry picking information to fit the agenda - for example:

"The kernel is written entirely in a memory unsafe language..."
As with Windows, macOS and all of the BSDs. He employs weasel words to infer that Microsoft have made progress implementing rust in Windows, howevet, as only Microsoft can audit their own code, there is no reliable means to validate this.

Rust is quite simply being leveraged by Microsoft, to undermine the likes of Linux, to meet a business agenda - i.e. draw developers away, undermine trust, generate some paranoia.

The author's citations are also dubious and mostly links to opinion pieces.

#24 Re: Freedom Hacks » The Biological Risk of High-Frequency EQ » 2026-01-20 17:01:15

"The Dementia Connection" is based on older studies.  Older people have more of a tendency towards developing age related hearing loss (far more common than dementia), hair loss, loss of teeth, arthritis, etc, etc.  So claiming that hearing loss is linked to dementia is akin to finding a link between dementia and liking old music...

The British Academy of Audiology released their own position statement:

https://baaudiology.org/professional-in … -dementia/

"There is no convincing evidence that hearing interventions reduce the risk of dementia
in the general population."

"There is currently no good quality evidence that hearing loss causes dementia, only evidence to show that
there is an association between them."

There is also the "reverse causation" aspect to this - i.e. undiagnosed dementia may be linked to hearing loss...

The problem here is that this is about statistics, rather than science or medical fact.  There are also those in the market of selling hearing interventions, who are in a position to profit from such scaremongering "studies"/claims.

#25 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Waterfox and AppArmor. » 2026-01-16 15:36:09

@RedGreen925, you're coming across as a foaming at the mouth, emotionally driven, web browser fanboi, and thus leading me to conclude that you're not worth debating with. I have come across this before, where fans of $PROJECT get personally offended if their top favourite software is criticised.  That's you.

I posted the facts about Waterfox's acquistion by System1 and it's spinning off as an independent browser three years later. I added my thoughts, to the effect that I wouldn't trust it. If you do, that's up to you. You got offended.

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