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#2401 Re: Other Issues » Need arm64 headers for 4.6.3 & These forums are really confusing. » 2017-09-27 22:32:23

I don't know anything about arm or pi, but I have to ask: why does it need to be tar.gz? Do you need to install xz-utils to manipulate a file compressed with xz?

'xz -d <file>' to decompress
or
'tar -xvJf <file>' if it's a tar.xz.

#2402 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » security updates, debian repo » 2017-09-25 12:26:11

I'm not sure what the best solution is. One thing you could try is downgrading all those packages to the version you had previously. The deb packages can be found in /var/cache/apt/archives. But that could be messy.

If everything seems to be working, you might just leave it alone. Wait for us to do some work on ascii and then switch your sources from jessie to ascii and upgrade the rest of your packages so they are from the same release as the ones you just pulled from stretch. No guarantees that it won't be messy, too. But maybe it will work ok.

If you are adventurous and know your way around the package manager pretty well, you could try upgrading the rest of the system to ascii now. You will probably run into conflicts. Don't do it unless you are comfortable with the idea of solving those problems and would not mind reinstalling if it turns out badly.

jessie = jessie
ascii = stretch
beowulf = buster
ceres = sid

#2403 Re: Devuan » After Ascii: A Devuan wishlist. » 2017-09-23 10:33:51

foobar wrote:

Devuan is all about removing that library,.

I don't know where you're getting your information, but that bit is just plain wrong. The default desktop install includes libsystemd0. Devuan is about removing dependency on systemd itself. The lead devs are not concered with that library and don't intend to spend any energy on removing it.

#2404 Re: Other Issues » Compiling, debugging: How do I know what compile settings devuan uses? » 2017-09-21 21:03:13

I don't know if it's related, but thunar has a similar bug. Sometimes it locks up when it's in detailed list view. If I catch it soon enough, I can press ctrl-1 or ctrl-3 to change to icon or simple list view or else close the window by clicking on the x in the corner. If I wait, it totally locks up and has to be killed from command line. It's a known bug in thunar that's been around for years.

#2405 Re: Devuan » About Devuan » 2017-09-20 20:24:23

While it took two years to get a final release of devuan jessie, it was usable long before that. A lot of the delay was just some loose ends to tie up. (Couple of problems came up in the installer.)

We don't expect the next release to take that long. If you test it out in a VM or on a spare computer or even one of the live isos, you'll feel like you're using the debian you remember.

#2406 Re: Devuan » About Devuan » 2017-09-20 19:44:34

Faster boot times. (no more 5-minute waits for a start job)
Predicatable interface names. (I know it's going to be eth0 unless I changed my hardware.)
An init system that's been well-tested. (I might switch to systemd once they're done developing it and it's had time to mature.)
An init system that knows it's an init system and is OK with that.

Probably more, but it's time to let the dogs out.

#2407 Re: Other Issues » Compiling, debugging: How do I know what compile settings devuan uses? » 2017-09-20 13:58:04

Could be a trick question, so I'll give the trick answer first - Devuan didn't use any compile options. Now I'll explain.

Caja is not a devuanized package. You can tell by looking at the version number, which does not have "devuan" appended to it. So it's exactly the same package that debian provides. The compile options can be found in the rules file of the source package, and you can get the source package with the command (as unprivileged user)

apt-get source caja

(Make sure you have deb-src lines enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list)

There are good instruction for what to do with that source package here -
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976

If you do it this way and make a .deb package, then the package manager will know that it's installed. That might be helpful with getting dependencies or if you ever want to install something that depends on caja.

#2408 Re: Installation » Devuan offers one methode of installation » 2017-09-16 16:54:58

So then hd-media would be the way to go. Follow the debian instructions here, but use the devuan files I linked in my previous post.
French:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ … 02.html.fr

Relevant part in English:

A.2.4. Booting from hard disk

It's possible to boot the installer using no removable media, but just an existing hard disk, which can have a different OS on it. Download hd-media/initrd.gz, hd-media/vmlinuz, and a Debian CD image to the top-level directory of the hard disk. Make sure that the CD image has a filename ending in .iso. Now it's just a matter of booting linux with the initrd. Section 5.1.5, “Booting from Linux using LILO or GRUB” explains one way to do it.

https://packages.devuan.org/merged/dist … /hd-media/
https://packages.devuan.org/merged/dist … /hd-media/

#2409 Re: Installation » Devuan offers one methode of installation » 2017-09-16 14:47:15

What new installer of Debian are you talking about? I just booted a new 9.1 debian netinstall iso, and it looks like the same debian-installer that I'm used to. I did notice that the graphical installer needs more than 256mb to boot, but other than that, it looks the same.

Are you looking for this? (Note: if you look around in nearby directories, you can find the mini.iso "business card iso")
https://packages.devuan.org/merged/dist … /hd-media/

If you use one of the Devuan live isos, you can install with refractainstaller, which copies the live system to hard drive.

It's also possible to do a debootstrap install of devuan. You can use a Refracta live-iso for that if you don't already have devuan installed.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/refrac … isohybrid/

#2410 Re: DIY » Backup Media? » 2017-09-15 20:38:00

FOSSuser wrote:

If I remember right, you have a choice of creating a generic system or one with your personalised settings.

I think that's in remastersys. With refractasnapshot, you have to look over the excludes and decide if you need to add or remove anything. Some of the more obvious personal stuff is already excluded, such as .gnupg, .ssh, list of recently used files, and logs. If you're making a snapshot with some desktop other than xfce, you should check your hidden files.

For example, geany keeps a list of recent files in its own config file, and that file gets cleaned when creating the snapshot. I don't know if other editors do that, so nothing happens to them. I keep the config file in geany instead of just excluding it because I use custom settings for the toolbar.

#2411 Re: DIY » Backup Media? » 2017-09-14 17:39:27

You could use refracta tools to create a bootable, installable live-iso of your system with your configs and software choices. If things change, you would need to create a new iso (not difficult) or an alternative would be to make a live-usb with persistence, boot it on another computer, and then rsync the changes to the usb system. The alternative is more complex, but once you have it set up, it's easy.

refractasnapshot to make a live iso of your system.
refractainstaller to install that system to hard drive if you need to restore.
refracta2usb to make a live-usb with persistence.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/
http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/documents.html

Important note: You may need to edit the excludes file so you don't copy all your data. There's a 4gb limit on the iso size.

#2412 Re: Forum Feedback » Auto-logout » 2017-09-14 11:50:30

The timeout has been increased to 30 minutes.

Also, if you check the box for automatic login (at the login screen) and you set dev1galaxy.org cookies to expire when closing the browser, it's the same as "keep me logged in". You won't be automatically logged in if the cookies are gone, and you won't be logged out if you go beyond the timeout.

#2413 Re: Documentation » xserver-xorg-legacy in ascii » 2017-09-14 11:46:15

Yes, X has been running as root forever, and that only changed with stretch. I don't know the details of how systemd works with that, but the dependence of xorg on systemd also appeared with stretch. According to the linked video, the solution is to switch to wayland. (That's an over-simplified explanation. In fact, a lot of bugs have been fixed as a result of  that guy's work.)

#2414 Documentation » xserver-xorg-legacy in ascii » 2017-09-12 11:18:07

fsmithred
Replies: 10

To get X to work in ascii and beyond...

1. Install xserver-xorg-legacy   (This might be all you need to do.)

2. (maybe)
If you don't use a display manager (like slim or lightdm) and want to use 'startx' to get a graphical session, you'll need to run this command once (or edit the file manually)

echo "needs_root_rights=yes" >> /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config

3. (you tell me. I predict there will be more needed in the future.)

#2415 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » xserver-xorg-core/legacy ascii issues. » 2017-09-12 10:53:43

apt-get remove xdm
echo "needs_root_rights=yes" >> /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config

Then use startx.

#2416 Re: Forum Feedback » Auto-logout » 2017-09-11 10:59:56

You should see a Preview button next to the Submit button, just under the Quick reply box at the bottom of the page and also under the Post a reply box.

I've gotten into the habit of highighting/copying my message to clipboard before hitting Preview or Submit. If I've been logged out, I can just log in and paste the message.

#2417 Re: Off-topic » GALPon MiniNo 3.0 release "Queiles" - convert-able? » 2017-09-11 10:52:36

No, not like antix, which has less systemd in it than devuan has. More like debian, which is what galpon is. (jessie with liquorix 4.6 kernel)

ls -l /sbin/init

shows that it's a symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd.

#2418 Re: Off-topic » GALPon MiniNo 3.0 release "Queiles" - convert-able? » 2017-09-10 13:27:28

This one uses systemd:
minino-queiles-3.0_kernel-64bits-experimental.iso

(No idea what the deal is with the cat.)

#2419 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Locale Ita » 2017-09-10 13:24:15

Did you boot the live media in Italian (second option in the boot menu) or did you boot into English and then choose Italian during the installation?

Does /etc/profile.d/zz_locale.sh exist in the installed system?

#2420 Re: Off-topic » free software alternative to Teamviewer? [SOLVED] » 2017-09-09 22:01:42

On your machine, install openssh-server. I'm not sure if that's needed on MIL's computer.

I haven't figured out how to combine the reverse tunneling with x11vnc. If you can't open a port on Mom's rounter (why not?) you can still get access, and you don't have to walk her through installing anything. (I think.) You will need to have port forwarding set up on your own router. Redirect port 22 to your computer.

You will need to walk her through this command:

ssh -X -R12345:localhost:22 gnuuser@gnuhost

After she does that, you can get shell access to her computer with :

ssh -X -p12345 mom@localhost

Get root and do whatever you need to do.

Some guides I looked at said you (MIL) should add -f and -N to the command to set up the tunnel, but I didn't do that in my tests. The -X means you can run x-apps that are installed on her machine.

Anyway, once you get in, if you think you'll be doing this again some time (i.e. if you don't set up port forwarding on her router) make a script that contains the command she uses to create the tunnel, make it executable, put it in /usr/local/bin/ then make a .desktop file that has the path to that script on the Exec line (look at examples) and put it with the others in /usr/share/applications, and it will appear in the apps menu. You could also put the .desktop file on her desktop if that's easier for her.

I haven't tried this yet, but her script might need to open a terminal and run the command inside the terminal. It might look like this:

#!/usr/bin/env bash

xterm -hold -e ssh -X -R 12345:localhost:22 gnuuser@gnuhost

If you want to see my notes on vnc over ssh (not reverse), go here and scroll down near the bottom of the page.
http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/Re … es_8.2.txt
If you have two machines at home, you can play with controlling two computers on opposite sides of the room or house without getting up. You would need to install x11vnc and a vncviewer. I use xtightvncviewr and Ralph uses a different one that I've never tried. And if we figure out how to do vnc with a reverse tunnel, (or if you open a port for ssh on the remote router) then MIL's computer will need x11vnc.

#2421 Re: Off-topic » free software alternative to Teamviewer? [SOLVED] » 2017-09-09 14:28:52

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

I suppose x11vnc accessed with xvnc4viewer via ssh is too old-fashioned?

That's what I use. I even made a desktop icon that opens a window giving me the remote desktop. If it will work with reverse tunneling, OP doesn't have to drive 4 hours to configure MIL's router. She could even have a desktop icon that initiates the tunnel.

#2422 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Locale Ita » 2017-09-09 13:47:17

You can edit your first post to mark it solved, but there may still be a problem to solve.

For the devuan live-isos, I put those lines in /etc/profile.d/tt_locale.sh where they will affect all users. It should work for one user if you add those lines to ~/.profile.

If you chose Italian during the installation, you shouldn't need to do this. Which iso did you use for the installation?

#2423 Re: DIY » Openbox Nightmare theme with XFCE? » 2017-09-09 13:08:23

There are some themes for xfce that you might like. Try Albatross (part of murrine-themes) or Numix-Frost (I can't figure out where I got this one.)

#2424 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Locale Ita » 2017-09-09 13:01:15

I do it this way:

export LANG=it_IT.UTF-8
export LC_ALL=it_IT.UTF-8

#2425 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Security updates for devuan jessie » 2017-09-07 13:03:32

From what I can see, ascii-security is empty. There's also an ascii-updates that's empty. In the case of chromium, the version with the security patch went to ascii-proposed-updates, so I would assume that anything in stretch security goes to ascii-proposed-updates. (not including anything that requires systemd)

On the other hand, jessie-security and jessie-updates and jessie-proposed-updates all have packages. I don't know the logic of what packages go where. I do hope to get some clarification on this, and that will probably happen around the time that amprolla3 is deployed.

gnath, it's not clear what you're saying about which version is higher and patched. The version in buster, sid and ceres does have the patch. I think the "~deb9u1" just means that the package was backported to debian9 (stretch).

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