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#2276 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Frequent indexing thrashes HDD » 2017-12-21 01:19:45

Keep a terminal open with top running and look at it when the thrashing starts. Or click on the cpu activity monitor in the panel - it will open a terminal with top.

#2277 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Screen goes mad - ascii » 2017-12-20 17:57:23

You should put your own configs in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d so they won't be overwritten on upgrades. Quote from 'man xorg.conf' (I don't know why they list the dir twice. They do that in a few places.)

Finally,  configuration  files  will  also be searched for in directories reserved for system use. These are to
       separate configuration files from the vendor or 3rd party packages from those of local  administration.   These
       files are found in the following directories:

           /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
           /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d

#2278 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » nvdia driver installation issues » 2017-12-20 12:29:01

I found this. It's from 2014, so it may no longer be accurate. Also, please run the grep command I posted above to see if you get the same output that I got.

https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topi … 0/#4385920

#2279 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » nvdia driver installation issues » 2017-12-20 11:02:25

OK, then, that's a weird message to get.
4.9.0-4-amd64 is not a realtime kernel.
4.9.0-4-rt-amd64 is a realtime kernel.

grep PREEMPT /boot/config*

That gives me the same thing for 4.9 in ascii and for 3.16 in jessie:

CONFIG_PREEMPT_NOTIFIERS=y
# CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE is not set
CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY=y
# CONFIG_PREEMPT is not set

I don't have a 4.9 kernel on the box with the nvidia graphics right now, so I can't test this.

#2280 Re: Other Issues » Becoming a Devuan Maintainer (cut) » 2017-12-19 15:52:06

I haven't heard much discussion of perl among the devuan devs. Maybe it just hasn't come up, or maybe we don't have any avid perl programmers. I think a lot of the package management stuff in debian (and consequently in devuan) is written in perl.

You can do a ./configure and make on a source package. Then run it from there. Don't do a 'make install' or you may screw up the system and confuse apt. Figure out what you need to do to get it to work. If you have to install other libraries, you should install them from the repo. After that, you can figure out how to get it into a debian package.  The basic steps for that are pretty simple. The devil is in the details. And looking at the current debian source to see how it was done should be helpful.

#2281 Re: Devuan » openssh issue on ascii » 2017-12-19 13:57:10

It should be safe to wait. I've been using the older version in ascii until a few minutes ago. I upgraded to the newer package (the one you can't get) and so far, it seems to be working. It can be installed without the recommended packages. I don't know if that breaks anything.

apt-get --no-install-recommends install openssh-server

If there are any problems using the newer version, it's possible to revert by installing the older .deb package in /var/cache/apt/archives

#2282 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » nvdia driver installation issues » 2017-12-19 12:57:33

What kernel are you using? The message is clear. Either use a rt kernel or use nvidia driver, but you can't use both together. Which one is more important?

Edit: How are you installing the nvidia driver? Package from repo or binary from nvidia?

#2283 Re: Other Issues » Software packages aging issue » 2017-12-14 03:25:37

You could upgrade to ascii, which has the same packages as stretch. And you can install openrc:

$ apt-cache policy openrc
openrc:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.13.1-4
  Version table:
     0.27-3 0
        100 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ceres/main amd64 Packages
     0.23-1+b1 0
        100 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/main amd64 Packages
     0.13.1-4 0
        500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages

#2284 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-13 19:16:10

Sorry, I was busy doing other things. No, I'm not offended easily, as golinux mentioned, and certainly not about which editor to use. .I knew you were kidding. However, if I ever announce that I'm going to run notepad in wine, you are welcome to come down on me hard.

If you can make a package that works, you could put it up anywhere and tell people about it. If you want to try to get it into the devuan repo, you should set it up on git.devuan.org and follow the d1h directions in the Documentation section of this forum. Other than that, you seem to know what to do. Mess with the package, test it, and then I'm not sure why you would revert your system if you just created a solution. For versioning, you should check the debian documentation on that. You could use the same version as the source you're using and add a +something like we do for the devuan packages. But really, check the docs. It can be a bit confusing. (is for me, anyway).

Mint/ubuntu seem to be slow at everything. Not just booting. Trying to run them in a VM can give me an anxiety attack from waiting for something to respond.

#2285 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-10 20:18:52

When you get to the part in the installer where it wants to install grub, everything should already be mounted. The efi partition should be mounted at /boot/efi, and /sys /proc /dev and /dev/pts should all be mounted to the corresponding point on /target. It sounds like grub found it anyway.

When you get to the grub boot menu, press "e" and add to the linux line: nomodeset
Then ctrl-x to boot.

#2286 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-10 13:38:41

And the install was slightly different form before (as /sys/firmware/efi existed), and at the end I did the dpkg -i grub*deb in the chroot.  grub complained about a missing BIOS boot block.

Yeah, that makes sense. You tried to install grub-pc in a uefi system. You only need to install the grub packages if the wrong grub is installed in the live system. In this case, grub-efi is installed, so you should boot in efi mode and let the installer handle to bootloader. You might not be able to use legacy bios with gpt partitions. And that uefi readme in the user's home is probably wrong and needs to be updated.

It might be better to use the cli installer, because that's a newer version, and I know it works well in a uefi install. Run 'refractainstaller' in a root terminal, or even better, (if you can stand to look at additional and distracting output on the screen) 'refractainstaller -d' to get a more verbose error log.  One drawback is that you'll have to type in /dev/nvme-whatever to tell it which partition to install.

#2287 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-09 22:11:48

Sounds like you're in legacy mode. If you boot in uefi mode, there should be a /sys/firmware/efi. Check your bios settings.

When you boot the refracta iso, do you get a grub boot menu or an isolinux boot menu? (with grub, 'e' will get you to edit the boot command, with isolinux, TAB will get you to edit the boot command.)

#2288 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-09 04:03:06

No emacs here. Just vi, which I do not like. I can tolerate vim, but plain old vi always screws me up. I inevitably hit an arrow key to move the cursor, and it spits out inappropriate characters. I would put vim on my isos, except for the fact that it takes up too much space, and I try to keep the isos down to CD size. But I'm perfectly happy with nano. If I forget how to use it, the instructions are right there in front of my face.

When you tried to boot after installing, did you get anything? A grub boot menu or even a grub prompt? If so, it should be possible to boot with the right commands.

Did you look at the efi partition to see if anything got copied there?
There should be /boot/efi/EFI/<devuan or refracta>/grubx64.efi

#2289 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-08 17:01:51

I'm still in the neolithic age...

model name	: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+

(I actually have something a lot newer than that for building isos.)

Here's an ascii live iso with 4.12 backports kernel. There's not a lot installed, but it should be enough to get you going. I'd hate for anyone to be forced to use debian when they don't want to.

I'm sure others will see this and want it, so here are some important notes...

First of all, this is not an official release (of devuan or refracta.) See that it's in the EXPERIMENTAL folder. If something doesn't work or goes wrong, don't be surprised. Feel free to ask for help, but there should be no whining or complaining.

The backports repo is commented out in sources.list. There are also a few wireless firmware packages installed from backports. Regular ascii firmware packages can be found in /firmware. Also, contrib and non-free are enabled.

The installers should see your nvme disks and handle it correctly. If you use the cli installer, you'll have to type in the device name when you select a partition for installation. If you prefer, you can use this live iso to do a debootstrap install of devuan. I forgot to include the instructions for that.

There's no display manager. You should not need to log into a live session, but in case you do,

login name: user
password: user.
Root password is root.
Run 'startx' to get into an openbox session.

grub-efi-amd64 is installed. If you are installing to legacy bios, I recommend using the cli installer (run 'refractainstaller' in a root terminal). It will find the grub-pc packages in the root of the filesystem and do the right thing.

http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/file … 8_1525.iso

There's no gpg signature, but here's the sha256sum of the iso.

$ sha256sum snapshot-ascii-bpo-20171208_1525.iso
22f4bd23457c9a3619243967824bee14625777cc60e586b5c892bf1da069f8e3  snapshot-ascii-bpo-20171208_1525.iso

#2290 Re: News & Announcements » eudev is now in ascii » 2017-12-08 15:41:06

Catprints, you got the one that's in ascii-proposed. I think it's the same as the one in ascii main except for the version.

Geoff42 is right - I forgot about libeudev1.

# apt-get install eudev=3.2.2-9 libeudev1=3.2.2-9

To force old interface names, add 'net.ifnames=0' to the boot command. (edit /etc/default/grub and then run update-grub)

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=0"

#2291 Re: News & Announcements » Upgrading to ASCII instructions » 2017-12-08 13:24:54

A couple of additional notes:

If you don't have the kernel metapackage installed (e.g. linux-image-amd64) then you won't get the new kernel automatically on dist-upgrade and will need to install linux-image-4.9.0-4-<arch> or install the metapackage and dist-upgrade again. After installing the new kernel, you should reboot, so you're running the new kernel.

You might lose policykit-1 on the dist-upgrade. Unless you're a stoic minimalist, you'll want to reinstall it.

If you're upgrading from debian jessie or stretch, you'll need to remove systemd and systemd-shim after the upgrade. You might need to reinstall some other packages, too.

If you're upgrading from debian with gnome, you are a glutton for punishment, and you are heading for a big adventure. It can be done, but a fresh install would be easier and faster.

#2292 Re: News & Announcements » eudev is now in ascii » 2017-12-08 13:05:33

fungus, 220:whatever is not the newest version. I think it's the oldest version.

Something like this should work...

apt-get install eudev=3.2.2-9

and you'll probably be warned that you're downgrading. (It's not a downgrade. We changed the way it's numbered.)

#2293 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-08 12:59:44

You need the ascii-backports kernel. (4.10 or newer, so plain ascii won't do it.) I did put an iso up, but it was meant for one person. It was only there for a few hours. Been thinking about putting up another one. (One that doesn't have a copyrighted desktop background) But I wanted to wait until after the regular ascii isos were up before I do the bpo. Guess that's not helpful for all you razor-edge ryzenistas.

Lemme figure out which VM has the right system, whether or not 'less' is installed, add the bpo kernel, and upload it. I guess it'll happen later today.

#2294 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] <Ascii/2> Standard reconfiguration - swappiness » 2017-12-07 14:29:35

It's a kernel feature. I don't think it has anything to do with the init system, but I'm not sure about what the rest of systemd does with it.

Did you notice any difference in performance after you changed it?

https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt

swappiness

This control is used to define how aggressive the kernel will swap
memory pages.  Higher values will increase aggressiveness, lower values
decrease the amount of swap.  A value of 0 instructs the kernel not to
initiate swap until the amount of free and file-backed pages is less
than the high water mark in a zone.

The default value is 60.

vfs_cache_pressure
------------------

This percentage value controls the tendency of the kernel to reclaim
the memory which is used for caching of directory and inode objects.

At the default value of vfs_cache_pressure=100 the kernel will attempt to
reclaim dentries and inodes at a "fair" rate with respect to pagecache and
swapcache reclaim.  Decreasing vfs_cache_pressure causes the kernel to prefer
to retain dentry and inode caches. When vfs_cache_pressure=0, the kernel will
never reclaim dentries and inodes due to memory pressure and this can easily
lead to out-of-memory conditions. Increasing vfs_cache_pressure beyond 100
causes the kernel to prefer to reclaim dentries and inodes.

Increasing vfs_cache_pressure significantly beyond 100 may have negative
performance impact. Reclaim code needs to take various locks to find freeable
directory and inode objects. With vfs_cache_pressure=1000, it will look for
ten times more freeable objects than there are.

#2295 News & Announcements » eudev is now in ascii » 2017-12-07 14:11:30

fsmithred
Replies: 12

Subject says it. eudev is now in the main ascii repo, and you will get it by default on upgrade or new install*.  If you blink your eyes, you might not notice it.

*Right now a new install is only possible with debootstrap or live-sdk.

#2296 Re: Other Issues » Jessie & Huge Dirty Cow » 2017-12-06 14:41:28

Your link shows that so far, it's only fixed in sid. That means it's also fixed in ceres. It's only been about a week, so I guess the fix will be moving down to testing and stable soon. Whenever that happens in debian, it will happen in devuan a minute or two later. I hope they fix it in oldstable, too.

aptitude -t sid search linux-image-4.14
p   linux-image-4.14.0-1-amd64                           - Linux 4.14 for 64-bit PCs

aptitude show linux-image-4.14.0-1-amd64
Package: linux-image-4.14.0-1-amd64      
New: yes
State: not installed
Version: 4.14.2-1

apt-cache policy linux-image-4.14.0-1-amd64
linux-image-4.14.0-1-amd64:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4.14.2-1
  Version table:
     4.14.2-1 0
        100 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ceres/main amd64 Packages
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ sid/main amd64 Packages

#2297 Re: Other Issues » booting Jessie: File system check failed. » 2017-12-05 21:50:13

If /dev/sda15 contains an encrypted filesystem, then fsck should not be trying to check it. Instead, it should be checking the decrypted filesystem, which would be /dev/mapper/sda15_crypt or some other label.

What's in your /etc/fstab and your /etc/crypttab?
What's the output of blkid?
Is devuan the only operating system on the computer?

#2298 Re: Installation » Trouble with install » 2017-12-05 14:57:39

Don't use debian mirrors in your sources.list (or in synaptic). Only use devuan.
Make sure you have non-free repos enabled.
Update (Reload? I forget what it says in synaptic)
Install firmware-iwlwifi

That one usually works for me without a reboot. Usually.

#2300 Re: Installation » Trouble with install » 2017-12-04 02:25:02

I've heard a few other people who had trouble with rufus. Try rawrite:
http://www.netbsd.org/~martin/rawrite32/

The wireless firmware package that you need is already installed in the live isos. What error message did you get, and what did you do to get that message?

Can you use a wire for the install instead of wireless? Sometimes it's easier to set up the wireless after you get the system installed.

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