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Just so people here know, here's why (in part) I chose to engage in what may seem, to some people, like a pointless endeavor:
1. To see what's currently possible.
2. To show others some of what's currently possible.
3. To (hopefully) increase the number of people using sysvinit-core and elogind -- Devuan may benefit from this since an increased number of people using those packages may help expose bugs more quickly.
Also, some people don't particularly like systemd, but they also don't want to leave Debian. Hopefully my post will help some of those people.
Phil
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Phil
I haven't received any email notifications from the forum for about a month. This is from the last one I received:
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 20:58:08 +0000
Is anyone else still receiving email notifications from the forum?
Phil
Boot to single user, give root password,
stop and start eudev is enough.
That just fixes the keyboard and mouse problem, right? Because I just tried it, and sound still isn't working.
Phil
Have you done that on the iso that you've created, or on the beowulf rc live-image?
I did it using the ISO file I created. By the way, the Beowulf system I used to create the ISO started out as a Debian Buster standard system (no X). I wanted to see if building a Beowulf live CD/DVD in a slightly different way would yield better results.
Phil
That may help with some issues, but it doesn't look like it will help with the no-sound issue (for me, anyway).
Here's why:
# groupadd kvm
groupadd: group 'kvm' already exists
Phil
I created a Devuan Beowulf ISO using Refractasnapshot. It boots OK in VirtualBox; I haven't tried booting from an actual DVD yet. However, there is no sound. I then checked the Devuan Beowulf system I used to create the ISO, and that has no sound either.
Phil
I migrated a new Debian Buster system to Beowulf, and things went well (for the most part). There is a problem, though. After the desktop appears, there is constant, non-stop disk activity. Running top shows a couple of CPU hogs:
udevd 20 to 30 % CPU
udisksd 14 to 20% CPU
udevd 1 to 2 % CPU
Based on a hunch, I uninstalled gvfs and the problem went away.
Phil
I upgraded from ASCII to Beowulf last night, and things did not exactly go well. I'm getting the udev warnings, but that wasn't a complete surprise. When the system boots up, it never switches to framebuffer mode. The worst part is that I can't log in because I get this message on my monitor:
Input Signal Out of Range
Change Settings to 1600x900 - 60Hz
I can get to the GRUB screen, and I can log in as root using Recovery Mode, so I may be able to fix things (if I knew what to do).
Phil
To get rid of those repeating udev warnings, I tried (and failed) disabling lvm. Made a new snapshot and booted it from DVD. It booted without the repeated warnings. Instead, I got them on shutdown, and whenever it reached the end of the list, it would start over.
I found something that looks like it could be a possible solution (or workaround):
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 5#p1867015
The Gentoo wiki page that he linked to seems to have some good info (based on my limited understanding) about this problem.
Phil
Sure Alpine package integrity is verified before installation, but after files have been installed how to verify them once again say like by
wajig integrity
in Devuan?
You could use something like this:
https://packages.debian.org/stable/fcheck
I think the best way to use this would be to scan the system while it's offline by using a live USB Devuan, with the database also stored on an external drive.
Phil
My test results:
1st attempt
===========
Version: refracta10-beta2_xfce_amd64-20200425_1600.iso
Error messages:
WARNING: Device /dev/loop0 not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds.
WARNING: Device /dev/sda not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds.
WARNING: Device /dev/sda1 not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds.
WARNING: Device /dev/sda2 not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds.
...and so on.
I didn't know what to do about it, so I just waited to see what would happen. After a long wait, the boot process eventually "died" and I thought the system had frozen. I pressed the "Enter" key to see if anything would happen, and I was presented with a working command prompt.
2nd attempt
===========
Version: refracta10-beta2_xfce_i386-20200425_1631.iso
As before, error messages:
WARNING: Device /dev/loop0 not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds.
WARNING: Device /dev/sda not initialized in udev database even after waiting 10000000 microseconds.
I pressed Ctrl-C and the boot process continued. Eventually I was presented with an Xfce desktop. The mouse was unresponsive, so I tried pressing Ctrl-Alt-Delete and Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. Nothing happened. However, the system wasn't totally locked up because the clock was working.
Phil
Thank-you.
Get my key if you don't already have it.
$ gpg --recv-keys 094c5620
^^^ This didn't work.
Result:
$ gpg --recv-keys 094c5620
gpg: keyserver receive failed: No name
However, this appeared to work:
$ gpg --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 094c5620
gpg: key A73823D3094C5620: 1 signature not checked due to a missing key
gpg: key A73823D3094C5620: public key "fsmithred (aka fsr) <fsmithred@gmail.com>" imported
gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found
gpg: Total number processed: 1
gpg: imported: 1
Phil
I looked around quite a bit and didn't see any instructions anywhere on how to verify the downloads using the SHA256SUMS.txt.asc file. Such instructions (or a pointer to where they are located) would be very helpful.
Phil
is it possible to include package
"lsb"
which i would need for the printer (epson) drivers.
On Ascii it was possible to install from Debian Jessie the packages; now it seems no more possible.
You could try downloading the package from here and installing it using gdebi, apt, or dpkg:
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/lsb
Phil
Devuan ASCII has the same problem. I encountered it last year.
See: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=14632#p14632
Phil
yeti wrote:So porting a De??an sibling to e.g. the NetBSD kernel, just would revive the old dreams.
—▷ https://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/index
—▷ https://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/alphaBesides those links show they have abandoned all such efforts in porting bsd's so the point is rather moot. Hypothetically, if a team of talented devs were to undertake such an endeavor then this might not be a moot point.
This one is not dead yet:
https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
Check the mailing list archive and you'll see that the mailing list is still active.
Phil
I am using NoScript (v. 5.1.9) on Palemoon. Palemoon tries to dissuade people from installing NoScript, but you can safely ignore the warning and install it anyway. NoScript seems to work just fine on Palemoon.
Phil
I realize this is a bizarre topic. Bear with me.
It's not bizarre at all. I think it's a good idea. I had the same idea about two years ago when I was learning how to set up a Debian server.
Phil
Voidlinux looks nice. Unluckily only a rolling release. If enough migrants from De??an gather around it, making a spinoff in a stable+security flavor could be a plan-b too.
This looks quite interesting:
https://www.hyperbola.info/
https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=:en:start
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distr … =hyperbola
I learned about it yesterday.
Phil
I'm not seeing any updates at all. The last update I saw was tcpdump on Monday.
SeaMonkey does not support Encrypted Media Extensions and therefore cannot load the Widevine Content Decryption Module.
It doesn't matter because the OP didn't mention that as a requirement; he or she requires support for the old type of Firefox extensions. If someone also wants support for Widevine, then I recommend using Chromium, or a web browser based on Chromium such as Google Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi, etc. After all, there's nothing stopping anyone from having more than one web browser.
Phil
It really isn't safe to use older browser versions. Have you considered using browsers that support legacy extensions and are still maintained with security and bug fixes? There's Pale Moon, Basilisk, and Iceweasel-UXP to choose from (and the upcoming Borealis Navigator). There are still choices out there.
While it can't be said that all legacy extensions will work on them, the vast majority will.
There's also SeaMonkey, and there's a deb package available for it from MX Linux.
For info on using the MX Linux repo with Devuan, see:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17503#p17503
Phil
For comparison sake, and to give you some additional information, I am using Devuan ASCII and didn't have any problems installing WINE when I followed the Debian wiki. I also don't have any elogind packages installed. And now your experience has me wondering if there's been a big change between ASCII and Beowulf.
Phil
Be sure to study the wiki:
https://wiki.debian.org/Wine
Phil