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#1301 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Can live isos be burned to optical media? » 2020-05-20 10:06:03

I'm seeing this problem on isohybrid-imaged usb. Anyone else experimenting with beowulf-based isos? C'mon guys, I need feedback. And help.

#1302 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-20 10:02:47

For example put concurrency=none on the boot command line.

Thanks. That's easier, and it has the advantage of showing up in /proc/cmdline, so I can check if I used it or not. Unfortunately, it doesn't help. Lots of modules are missing, including snd.

The problem also exists on isohybrid-imaged usb. It's not limited to optical media.

Multi-boot usb does not have the problem.

#1303 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-19 21:22:26

No change on booting with CONCURRENCY=none

#1304 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-19 21:04:29

Now we're cross-posting. See my update above.

#1305 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-19 20:35:40

I turned of anything I thought I would not need:
bluetooth, hddtemp, lm-sensors, lvm2, mdadm, nfs-common, pppd-dns, rsync, saned, smartmontools

Didn't help.

Update: How to do it -

touch /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering

to set CONCURRENCY=none
see:
/etc/init.d/README
/usr/share/doc/insserv/README.deb
/etc/init.d/rc     <- This is where it happens

Testing this now. Still building the iso.

#1306 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-19 18:56:21

Would it be hard to create a refracta version which uses a single-threaded boot, and manually fix the boot order?

I have no idea how to do that. How can you even tell if it's running single or multi-threaded?

What I can do is turn off some services in the default runlevel and see if that changes anything.

#1307 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Can live isos be burned to optical media? » 2020-05-18 20:31:45

And it's still screwed up. No audio when boot from dvd, except when booted to ram. Fixed by modprobe the sound module. In my case, 'modprobe snd_hda_intel'

Here's a list of modules that get loaded when booting to ram but not when booting normally. If anyone has any ideas about wtf is going on, I'd love to hear it.

cmac
btusb
btrtl
btbcm
btintel
intel_rapl
arc4
x86_pkg_temp_thermal
intel_powerclamp
rtl8723ae
coretemp
btcoexist
kvm_intel
rtl8723_common
rtl_pci
snd_hda_codec_hdmi
rtlwifi
snd_hda_codec_realtek
kvm
mac80211
uvcvideo
snd_hda_codec_generic
irqbypass
videobuf2_vmalloc
videobuf2_memops
videobuf2_v4l2
crct10dif_pclmul
crc32_pclmul
videobuf2_common
cfg80211
videodev
rtsx_usb_ms
snd_hda_intel
ghash_clmulni_intel
media
memstick
snd_hda_codec
snd_hda_core
intel_cstate
snd_hwdep
snd_pcm
intel_uncore
snd_timer
snd
intel_rapl_perf
pcspkr
joydev
efi_pstore
toshiba_bluetooth
pcc_cpufreq
iTCO_wdt
mei_me
serio_raw
efivars
soundcore
iTCO_vendor_support
mei
battery

#1308 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-18 20:24:25

These modules get loaded when booting to ram but not when booting normally from dvd. The rtl8273ae is the right one for my wireless card. Your list might be slightly different.

cmac
btusb
btrtl
btbcm
btintel
intel_rapl
arc4
x86_pkg_temp_thermal
intel_powerclamp
rtl8723ae
coretemp
btcoexist
kvm_intel
rtl8723_common
rtl_pci
snd_hda_codec_hdmi
rtlwifi
snd_hda_codec_realtek
kvm
mac80211
uvcvideo
snd_hda_codec_generic
irqbypass
videobuf2_vmalloc
videobuf2_memops
videobuf2_v4l2
crct10dif_pclmul
crc32_pclmul
videobuf2_common
cfg80211
videodev
rtsx_usb_ms
snd_hda_intel
ghash_clmulni_intel
media
memstick
snd_hda_codec
snd_hda_core
intel_cstate
snd_hwdep
snd_pcm
intel_uncore
snd_timer
snd
intel_rapl_perf
pcspkr
joydev
efi_pstore
toshiba_bluetooth
pcc_cpufreq
iTCO_wdt
mei_me
serio_raw
efivars
soundcore
iTCO_vendor_support
mei
battery

#1309 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-18 20:09:21

Yeah, that worked: modprobe snd_hda_intel was all I needed to do.

Oh, and it all works just fine if I boot to ram. Modules are already loaded and sound works. I'm thinking maybe there's a timeout somewhere on reading the dvd, and it just stops reading early.

#1310 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-18 18:56:06

No sound on DVD. That's true for beowulf RC and refracta beta5. The latter does not have pulseaudio.

Can't run alsamixer. "No such file" (even though it's right where it belongs at /usr/bin/alsamixer and is executable.)

aplay -l says "device_list:272: no soundcards found" but lspci sees it just fine.

Again, true on both pure devuan and refracta.

I tried restarting pulseaudio, alsa, eudev; tried removing pulseaudio and running with just alsa. Nothing.

Sound works fine in qemu.

#1311 Re: Other Issues » neofetch on ceres » 2020-05-18 16:05:49

This is jessie:

$ apt-cache policy lsb-release
lsb-release:
  Installed: 4.1+devuan2
  Candidate: 4.1+devuan2
  Version table:
 *** 4.1+devuan2 0
        500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID:	Devuan
Description:	Devuan GNU/Linux 1.0 (jessie)
Release:	1.0
Codename:	jessie

Oh! My ascii has the same version, but shows ascii in the output of 'lsb_release -a'

lsb-release:
  Installed: 11.1.0
  Candidate: 11.1.0
  Version table:
 *** 11.1.0 500
        500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

This is ceres:

lsb-release:
  Installed: 11.1.0
  Candidate: 11.1.0
  Version table:
 *** 11.1.0 500
        500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Distributor ID:	Devuan
Description:	Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera/ceres)
Release:	testing/unstable
Codename:	n/a

#1312 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-18 15:36:13

Beowulf RC desktop-live and minimal-live isos are now available on files.devuan.org or your favorite iso mirror.  smile

Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but RC installer isos are there, too.

#1313 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Can live isos be burned to optical media? » 2020-05-18 12:00:52

I believe the problem has been fixed by installing acpi-fakekey. Can anyone confirm or refute?

#1314 Re: Other Issues » neofetch on ceres » 2020-05-18 11:56:59

@HoaS: both. This is on an upgraded Refracta. (Not sure if I started with ascii or beowulf.)

Distributor ID:	Devuan
Description:	Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera/ceres)
Release:	testing/unstable
Codename:	n/a
/n/n
   ..,,;;;::;,..                   user@r10lvm 
           `':ddd;:,.              ----------- 
                 `'dPPd:,.         OS: Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (chimaera/ceres) x86_64 
                     `:b$$b`.      Host: KVM/QEMU (Standard PC (i440FX + PIIX, 1996) pc-i440fx-2.8) 
                        'P$$$d`    Kernel: 5.6.0-1-amd64 
                         .$$$$$`   Uptime: 6 mins 
                         ;$$$$$P   Packages: 1079 (dpkg) 
                      .:P$$$$$$`   Shell: bash 5.0.16 
                  .,:b$$$$$$$;'    Resolution: 1280x720 
             .,:dP$$$$$$$$b:'      DE: Xfce 
      .,:;db$$$$$$$$$$Pd'`         WM: Xfwm4 
 ,db$$$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`             WM Theme: Clearlooks-Phenix-DarkPurpy 
:$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`                  Theme: Clearlooks-Phenix-DarkPurpy [GTK2] 
 `$$$$$bd:''`                      Icons: nuoveXT2 [GTK2] 
   `'''`                           Terminal: xfce4-terminal 
                                   Terminal Font: Monospace 12 
                                   CPU: QEMU Virtual version 2.5+ (4) @ 2.394GHz 
                                   GPU: 00:02.0 Vendor 1234 Device 1111 
                                   Memory: 294MiB / 984MiB

#1315 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-18 01:47:57

They say nothing happens by just bitching about it, but that's what I did to get the answer.

Try this one: https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/ … 8_0033.iso

I added acpi-fakekey. Did it first over ssh in a live session, and the trackpad worked instantly. Then I made the above iso and burned it to dvd. Only tested on laptop so far, but it works.

#1316 Re: Other Issues » .deb files can't be opened in Xfce » 2020-05-17 21:03:40

tl;dr  (I read the black parts and the last paragraph.)

E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list

Uncomment the deb-src lines and update the package cache. ('apt update' or Refresh in synaptic)

gui text editors I have known and loved:
mousepad, leafpad, gedit, kedit, medit, pluma, geany
The first two are very simple. The others have more features.

#1318 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-17 14:45:41

Is it possible maybe to insert the reinsert hack into some other place... Maybe /etc/xdg/autostart or some such, which is GUARANTEED to be executed after the desktop is already loaded.

Yes, but I think it needs to be in effect if/when the login screen comes up. I forget how I got there. Maybe somewhere at the end of /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ would be appropriate.

This hack of reloading the modules didn't work for me when I was testing on the laptop yesterday. I'm hoping to get more information before I burn another disk. And as I mentioned in another thread, I'm about ready to just rename the isos to *.img and tell people they are usb images. (No, that won't really happen. That is unacceptable.)

#1319 Re: Devuan » The point of Devuan? » 2020-05-17 13:12:35

Yeah, our primary goal is to provide systemd-free debian. For those who want minimalist or libre or some other combination of packages, configs or whatever, there are derivative distros that fulfill some of these needs, and there are several ways of making your own, and there's a community of people already making their own who will offer ideas and advice and will help you solve problems you run into.

That brings us to a secondary goal - to accomplish the first goal with the least amount of work. We have a team of around a dozen people to keep up with the hundreds of debian developers. All are volunteers. We like to keep it simple and easy wherever possible.

#1320 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-17 11:18:44

It's the stock debian kernel:

$ grep INOTIFY /boot/config-4.19.0-9-amd64 
CONFIG_INOTIFY_USER=y

I'm using mostly the refracta isos for testing so I can ssh in.

More later...

#1321 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Can live isos be burned to optical media? » 2020-05-17 10:58:16

Live iso burned to optical disk. (I've only tried DVD, because the isos are too big for CD.)
Auto-login is enabled in the official beowulf desktop-live isos.
It boots.
It goes to desktop.
You can't use keyboard or mouse.

I didn't notice this problem becuase I don't use optical disks anymore.

There's a much better description of the problem in the linked discussion. I was nice enough to link you to the last two of the 23 pages. Please take a look at that discussion for clues. I'd like to fix this problem, not just rename the isos to .img and tell everyone they are usb images. I'm hoping someone who knows something that I don't know will look at that and see where the actual problem is.

Thanks,
fsmithred (not a happy camper.)

#1322 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-16 18:40:24

remove/insert usbhid just worked for me here. I did it over ssh while the desktop was up. Did not have to restart anything. This is with usb-only mouse and keyboard. No trackpad here, using the last refracta iso I posted.

It works if I do it after stopping the display manager, too.

#1323 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-15 23:25:43

I made another beowulf image with the same changes as the last refracta iso, minus the ssh-server and console-only runlevel 3. As you noted, these changes don't work if there's only usb mouse and keyboard. If there's a trackpad, they work. Someone else is supposed to let me know about ps2 inputs.

https://get.refracta.org/files/experime … p-live.iso
sha256sum:

b1bf2be25fcdd7711d730485b727ea864044f1e3c457e92e7aa52afc1a8f108a  devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta5_amd64_desktop-live.iso

#1324 Devuan Derivatives » Can live isos be burned to optical media? » 2020-05-15 23:19:41

fsmithred
Replies: 45

All you devuan derivateurs, please tell me - if you burn your beowulf isos to optical media and boot a computer that has usb mouse and keyboard, do those inputs work on the desktop? If so, I'd like to know how you got that to happen.

Thanks,
fsmithred

See roughly the last page or two of this discussion for more details:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=21671#p21671

#1325 Re: News & Announcements » Beowulf Beta is here! » 2020-05-15 17:43:54

Couldn't get it to work with usb mouse/kb.
Changing 'psmouse' to 'usbhid' didn't help.

Weird. I'm testing on a laptop that has a trackpad but no keyboard, and there's a usb keyboard plugged in. Both work.

On the builds that have no keyboard/mouse, I can remove/insert psmouse with or without the desktop running, and inputs all work when the desktop is restarted. That doesn't work for you?

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