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#101 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] MBR and efi booting issue » 2025-05-09 12:19:11

Not so simple, MBR/GPT and legacy/UEFI gives you 4 possible combinations.

Here are my thoughts: You want a legacy installation, should be possible.

Bios setting: can't you set the bios to legacy driver first? Since its a laptop this might be limited. On my mainboards its possible.

CSM mode is an emulation of the old legacy bios behaviour on every uefi bios you can find on the market. No exception. CSM has been dropped on new designs nowadays.

Install media: I do not use live media or refracta installer, they are limited, at least for me and my wish to encrypt every OS I do install. I use the netinstall. That works for sure.

Booting the install media: on an uefi PC you have to pay attention how you boot the usb stick. When you stick that in and look at the boot options you get, you will see the stick twice. Example: its from Sandisk, you will get a Sandisk entry and a UEFI Sandisk entry in the boot options. For your legacy install make sure you boot the entry without the UEFI prefix. This topic is also important for grub-install. Only when booted in legacy mode you can run the legacy grub-install.

/boot-Partition: I would use ext4.

MBR partitioning: every tool should leave about 1MB free space before the first partition. This space is used by grub for a hidden installation of this famous stage2 files. No bios_grub or ESP required.

GPT partitioning: you could do a legacy installation on a GPT disk too. But its a bit more complicated. Since the GPT scheme needs 34 sectors instead of only 1 for the MBR, you need a bios_grub partition (no filesystem, 1MiB is fine, I give it 8MiB to be on the safe side, bios_grub flag needs to be set). grub installs its stage2 into this bios_grub partition. No ESP required for legacy.

grub-install in legacy mode goes into the MBR. No need to install it to /boot. You need to specify the device for the installation. The boot flag has to be set either to the separate /boot or to /.

grub-install in uefi-mode is a completely different beast. You do not specify a device, can be left off. Some kB of the bootloader goes into the ESP, all the rest is installed into /boot. The booting mechanism is completely different from the old legacy days.

grub installs fine without any network connection in both legacy as efi mode installs, at least from the netinstall. the live/refracta stuff may be differernt, I never use this path.

Since the laptop has an uefi bios /sys/firmware/efi will be present and have entries, but cause no harm. Actually some of that stuff will be required to be able to boot from USB sticks ...

I hope this gives you some background. I would use a netinstall for a fresh installation. That should do the job.

PS: some HP laptops resist anything but Windows. Lets see if we can tame this one.

#102 Re: Devuan » Update of Devuan causes VirtualBox shared folder corruption » 2025-05-05 11:05:30

Must have missed the original post end of January, and did not pay attention to the time stamp when answering now ....

#103 Re: Devuan » Update of Devuan causes VirtualBox shared folder corruption » 2025-05-04 19:20:51

Welcome dfatd.

Well, I am on Daedalus now, VBox is installed from the .deb from virtualbox.org, I am currently on 7.0.22. Got two older Win VMs running using shared folders. Never had any issues. The XP VM was generated about 2012, the Win7 VM around 2017. Have been pulled up through several releases of Debian/Devuan.

Now to your problem: what is host, what is guest? Are you running Win10 as host and Chimaera as guest in a VM? Is that right? Have you got dkms and the linux headers installed in the VM? Guest additions are uptodate, you use the ones from 7.0.20?

#104 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Bluetooth support on laptop » 2025-05-04 14:00:47

works now, used --no-install-recommends, that keeps pipewire.

#105 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » viber authentication upon reboot » 2025-04-16 19:27:35

maybe viber depends on systemd? maybe thats why it works on debian and arch?

#106 Re: Devuan » Devuan won't recognize Windows 10 UEFI install » 2025-04-14 09:51:52

i don't think there is any difference in the involved packages and procedures.

is the linux installation also an uefi install? if not, it won't work.

anyhow, i only use the boot override key to select the system to be booted on my uefi pcs. my linux systems are encrypted, and osprober does not find encryted systems.

#107 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] install password » 2025-04-04 20:44:05

use the live for testing if it suits you.

if you want to install it onto your disk use the normal installers, e.g. the netinstall.

#108 Re: Packaging for Devuan » libguava-java (gradle) » 2025-04-03 21:36:36

well, is there any package that is not in main and non-free-firmware you want to install?

the sources.list is missing contrib non-free.

#109 Re: Installation » How to upgrade to devuan testing? » 2025-03-22 20:42:51

not 100% sure but i guess the problem is before upgrading from daedalus to excalibur you will need to install the usrmerge package.

and on excalibur you just have one line active in your sources.list:

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ excalibur main contrib non-free non-free-firmware

#110 Re: Installation » temporary failure revolving "de.devuan.org" » 2025-03-12 12:40:28

Scan this forum for threads about this issue ...

#111 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » (Partially solved) Lightdm not working right in Excalibur » 2025-03-11 20:31:42

Well, I have got two VBox VMs running Excalibur, based on Daedalus netinstalls and upgraded, one running LightDM and Mate, one Cinnamon, both on sysvinit, efi, encrypted, no Autologin. Can't tell when I set them, about summer last year? Both work fine so far. Looked at the syslinux packages in both VM's, none of them is installed.

I would first try with normal login.

#112 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Unable to install Daedalus » 2025-03-08 15:49:46

As I looked into Devuan 5.0.1 ISOs I saw that I had it wrong: that ISO does not consider any Ventoy labelled partition. I then realized I have been referring to an unpublished Daedalus 5.1.0 that was handed out specifically to someone some while ago.

I remember reading that thread too.

But what does "mount" say (when chimaera installer at partitioning)? And does that partitioner offer a large number of partition types?

Ventoy stick booted, Secure Boot off, Chimaera netinstall started in efi mode.

When the partitioning is started and waits for the method to partition, Alt-F2 to the 2nd console, mount tells me:
rootfs, tmpfs, sysfs, devtmpfs, devpts, and then the interesting things:
/dev/sde2 on /cdrom type iso9660 (ro,relatime,nojoliet,check=s,map=n,blocksize=2048,iocharset=utf8) 
none on /sys/firmware/efi/efivars type efivarfs (rw,relatime)

As mentioned in the private mail: I only had problems when skipping the topic "Loading additional modules" in the expert installer mode. I have got full choice, I am using manual partitioning and I am encrypting all my installations (with very few exceptions in a VM).

Hope that helps.

#113 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Unable to install Daedalus » 2025-03-08 12:32:52

blkid output is this:

/dev/sdg1: LABEL="Ventoy" UUID="D7EA-AE3B" BLOCK_SIZE="512" TYPE="exfat" PTTYPE="dos" PARTUUID="f078671f-01"
/dev/sdg2: SEC_TYPE="msdos" LABEL_FATBOOT="VTOYEFI" LABEL="VTOYEFI" UUID="B2C8-40D2" BLOCK_SIZE="512" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="f078671f-02"

I have not modified anything. Just used the Ventoy installer, let it do the job, nothing tweaked. Except for added a Tools folder to the exFAT partition for additional SW and files.

#114 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Unable to install Daedalus » 2025-03-08 11:45:26

Hi Ralph,

my Ventoy stick is shown as this:

# fdisk -l /dev/sdg
Disk /dev/sdg: 114,61 GiB, 123060879360 bytes, 240353280 sectors
Disk model:  SanDisk 3.2Gen1
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0xf078671f

Device     Boot     Start       End   Sectors   Size Id Type
/dev/sdg1  *         2048 240287743 240285696 114,6G  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sdg2       240287744 240353279     65536    32M ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32)

I can boot the older Devuan releases as well in efi as in legacy mode and install them from the boot of the iso, the first language selection dialogue until the final eject media, they are fully installed afterwards. No limits.

#116 Re: Installation » Radeon 5770 GPU in Daedalus? » 2025-03-06 21:06:08

For sure remove the AMD Catalyst driver completely. Its outdated and useless.

Maybe you simply do a re-installation. If recklesswing is right support by the kernel is enough. Nevertheless, on first boot watch out for messages about missing firmware. If such messages appear, add non-free-firmware to your sources.list, do an apt update and install firmware-amd-graphics. I have got 5800 cards that require firmware.

PS: you say you got that card working on Debian Bookworm? Then there is no reason why it shouldn't work in Daedalus. Uses the same packages as Bookworm.

How is that card listed by lspci?

#117 Hardware & System Configuration » Bluetooth support on laptop » 2025-03-05 18:13:19

rolfie
Replies: 4

So far I haven't installed anything to support bluetooth on my travelling laptop. Wifi is working, that was enough.

As preparation for an aniversary party I want to enable bluetooth to be able to connect to a Sonos system to play some music. The laptop is running Daedalus with pipewire, that works fine on the internal speakers and headset if that is connected.

When I now look at what is happening when I try to install blueman, pipewire-alsa is removed and pulseaudio is installed instead. I don't want that.

Do I have alternatives?

My assumption is that the Atheros chipset is supporting as well wifi as bluetooth. Correct? Wifi is installed, drivers and firmware are present. Are any additions required for bluetooth?

lspci
...
04:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 32)7

Thanks, rolfie

#118 Re: Installation » Radeon 5770 GPU in Daedalus? » 2025-03-04 18:59:02

Is this your first Daedalus installation? The fsmithreds suggestion is very relevant.

AMD cards are normally fully supported by kernel and firmware-amd-graphics.

#119 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Unable to install Daedalus » 2025-03-03 13:41:33

Although I'd still like to ask here, since there's an ongoing conversation about it, is there an easy way to tell when an ISO will work on Ventoy or does the project need to specifically mention this? The reason I ask is because in the past I had similar problems with other ISO files, but I wasn't sure if they were caused because of this or just a bad USB stick.

No, there isn't an easy way. As far as I am concerned, Daedalus is the only release that fails on Ventoy. ASCII, Beowulf and Chimaera work fine. Same for all Debians I have tried, Arch Linux, AcroLinux, Mint > 20.1, LMDE 5 and 6, ...

On the other hand, Ventoy seems to be sort of dead, according to their web page there will be no further version past 0.99.

#120 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Unable to install Daedalus » 2025-02-28 13:29:02

Devuan Daedalus is not compatible to Ventoy. Does not work.

Use dd or cp to write the image to an empty stick, that works fine.

#121 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » ddr3 sdram upgrade » 2025-02-25 17:02:33

If I am not mistaken you got 16G of RAM. Thats more than enough for a normal Devuan office use. You could easily allow 4G for a VM and not notice any performance limitations. Prerequisite: limit the number of open tabs in your browser.

A swap larger than the RAM is only required if you want to use hibernation.

#122 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » ddr3 sdram upgrade » 2025-02-24 13:22:11

regarding whether i can use my ssd as a buffer memory, i will need some more info on how to investigate and implementation

Forget about this idea. This was promoted for a while by Intel, they also had a product for that, and Seagate also had some hard disks with SSD cache on board in the portfolio, but never was really adopted in a bigger scale. This is sort of dead by now.

#123 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] sudoers.d file for ifup / ifdown » 2025-02-20 16:04:25

Give that a try:

groucho ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/ifup eth0  /sbin/ifdown eth0

#124 Re: Installation » Does Daedalus include driver for MediaTek MT7612U chipset? » 2025-02-12 16:35:55

If Debian does Devuan should also do. Devuan is Debian - systemd packages + replacements. Kernel and drivers are the same.

#125 Re: Packaging for Devuan » Repositories and their compatibility Devuan » 2025-02-10 20:57:03

I just gave examples, no guaranteed solutions. The OP does not use Testing or Unstable anyhow. Its his job to find out whats the best for him.

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