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Pale Moon is controversial. It's seen by some as a "snake oil" product, because the performance claims generally don't add up. .
Well, acknowledging for the moment that I and my wife are a sample size of just two, and hardware makes a difference, and all the other disclaimers necessary:
Extensive testing on several machines for me has very conclusively shown that Palemoon is faster than Firefox in every way that I have used it, for the most part it's a very dramatic difference.
It's reminds me of Firefox back when Firefox didn't suck completely.
Just wanted to chime in and say rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.
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Gtksu looks interesting, is there a .deb package anywhere?
What does html support do?
It makes a simple browser, pretty similar to the little python-webkit browser I use sometimes, very basic, but interesting possibilities. But I think it may require more than just the basic webkit stuff, possibly the webkit-dev package or something else i'm missing. Here's the basic code:
yad --html --browser --uri=dev1galaxy.orgWorking on an image viewer today using yad, it's amazing what this badass little dialog program can do.
Is Seamonkey in the repos?
I don't see it in jessie, maybe ascii?
Palemoon isn't either, but the latest .deb from the Palemoon site installs and works perfectly in jessie.
@ fsmithred if you happen to stop by and read this, did you by any chance build that version of yad with html support?
I've got webkit onboard in this partition, but may be wrong packages(s), but anyhoo, yad can throw up a simple webkit browser if compiled with the html support, cool stuff but not working here yet.
Both great Browsers alternative to Mozilla Firefox. I use Pale Moon
+1, my experience with it has been better than recent versions of Firefox by far.
blinkdog wrote:Clean those rational arguments, stow them away in the armory, then come help us build Devuan!
Amen to that.
Thirding that.
I could be wrong, but I don't think it's a bug on your end. I just tried it with Adwaita, and the next month looked the same color. There was a slight difference, but I had to stand on my head, close one eye, hold my breath, and eat saw briars to notice it.
Well I was just getting online now to thank you and fsmithred for checking it because it was a bug on my end, lol.
I had been running my yad experiments in my old beater try-everything-and-never-cleanup partition, but when I tried it in one of the Vuu-do partitions the next month days were properly grayed out, works perfectly now.
I think now it's in the gtkrc, certain themes don't differentiate some of the colors or don't make them contrast enough.
It's possible to inject yad commands with a custom gtkrc, as I start fine-tuning this calendar thing i'll look into that, but again don't want to end up with too much code.
Got the thing working really well last night though, this will definitely be the calendar in future vuu-do's. Here's the command now:
yad --calendar --undecorated --button=gtk-close:0 --skip-taskbar --borders=5 --posx=-1 --posy=-1 --width=300 --on-topThis drops a calendar in the bottom right corner and unlike gsimplecal it's absolute positioning (as opposed to opening wherever the mouse is). It doesn't have the usual top with controls (min/max/close), instead it just has a "close" button at the bottom.
This works good because you have to close the calendar before you can click the clock again (prevents multiple instances), this allows me to use one line of code in the tint2 clock command as opposed to having to make a separate script + an on/off switch.
D1G now 400 strong! woo-hoo!
Kind of amazing....quite the rewarding year+ now that i've been using Devuan, and it all started from slow boot times and various repeated glitches in Debian jessie, I had literally zero experience with init systems prior to that, mainly because it had never been the source of problems for me (because I had never used systemd).
The change may have been one of the more dramatic i've seen, I tried the Devuan beta and all my issues went away and my machine booted fast again, I was instantly a fan and Devuan is on all my machines now.
Thanks VUA's, getting to be that time of year again when we do all our donations, and Devuan tops the list this year. ![]()
A good example of what I mean about narrowing down packages and code:
I have 3 extensions in my Mate file manager Caja: Open terminal here (arbitrary locations), resize/rotate images, and a GKSU extension to let me open folders and files as root. With the common files it adds up to over 900,000 bytes, and in gnome-fashion (which I foolishly expected Mate to move away from) it uses binary files where a simple script would have sufficed, the binaries are ZERO percent faster to do their job than my scripts, and bonus: I can't even look at them.
In Vuu-do Openbox, all seven extensions and the scripts that do the resize and rotate functions add up to 3600 bytes.
And all are 100% editable by the user with a simple text-editor.
It's really ridiculous, especially the caja-open-terminal package at 86,000 bytes (plus requiring the common files packages at 629,000 bytes). Just to open a terminal where you're at in the file manager. This kind of nonsense is why I don't take Mate seriously anymore.
And last thought before I go: This kind of stuff is why I say there is PLENTY of work that needs to be done in the stable branch, I have more than enough to keep me busy.
Sometimes I think some folks who write code for Linux would better serve the community by slowing down and actually dotting the I's and crossing the T's and making things work well, as opposed to constantly dumping projects that are half-assed and moving on to half-ass some new code that will also never get fixed (the gnome model of doing things).
greenjeans wrote:Using that command I mentioned, I get a calendar that looks like Mate calendar or gsimplecal in every respect, except it doesn't gray out the next months days at the bottom of the calendar.
The next month is grayed out with that command for me greenjeans. Could it just be the Theme that you're using on your system? I tried it with a few different themes, and they all grayed out the next month...but some were less gray than others depending on the theme.
Ahh, so I have a bug (of sorts), thanks for checking that for me, guess I need to figure out why, didn't even think of the theme being a possible conflict....
But y'all see what I mean about how simple the calendar could be? Trying to narrow down the amount of overall packages in the system, and since yad is already onboard it seems to make sense that one line of code using already-onboard software is mo bettah.
Gsimplecal is a fair amount of code, and it doesn't even fix the yad calendar positioning issue, try it out if you are using gsimplecal : click the clock or whatever you use to activate gsimplecal and then very quickly move your mouse, the calendar is actually set to open where your mouse is.
Am also considering figuring out how to make a nice pic display program using just imagemagick since it's onboard for other things, the basic "display" command works but needs other code to provide borders, controls etc.
@greenjeans - not sure what you mean about graying out next months dates. On mine, they are gray, and if you click on one, it changes to that month.
Using that yad command above? Or your regular calendar?
Using that command I mentioned, I get a calendar that looks like Mate calendar or gsimplecal in every respect, except it doesn't gray out the next months days at the bottom of the calendar.
Working on a "Crop Image" extension for pcmanfm next, that should be the last image extension as I only wanted to cover a few of the most common tasks so you don't have to open gimp. But this one may be much tougher to do. Viewnior has a nice crop image option that works exactly like what I want to do, thought about switching to it for image viewer. Mirage is an awesome picture viewer and still works really well in jessie, but no longer developed since 2011.
I wonder if the Mirage dev would let someone else take over since it's been 6 years...it's really a featureful pic viewer and yet still has a small footprint.
Great news, thanks fsmithred and all the other VUA's, we really appreciate all the hard work y'all put into Devuan!
When my Netgear WNDR3800 router running LibreCMC dies, I think I'll just use this script on my old EeePC to repurpose it as a vpn router.
I hope someone out there finds this script as tremendously useful as I do
Yet another awesome use for older hardware, thanks GNUser! I'm snagging your script ![]()
This last week I discovered the joys of Yad and Dash, found out that with the right backend you can use them to do almost anything, good stuff!
Used it to login and am now posting from it . ![]()
*edit* Realized the bank question was a good one, hadn't tried before, but it worked. Https works fine.
Complex sites are slow to load though, all that bling bling trying to load. And occasionally video causes it to crash.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=642 regarding the browser-scroll to greenjeans posts.
Works on jessie for me after installing python-webkit. Ascii I,m not finding that pkg yet.
Look forward to trying it further on jessie though.
That's the one, I changed the default address to a local file and made a little html "menu" of bookmarks, here's the idea:
<html>
<head>
<title>Home</title>
</head>
<body bgcolor="#000000">
<br><br><br>
<a href="https://start.duckduckgo.com/">DuckDuckGo</a><br><br>
<a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/">Dev1galaxy forum</a><br><br>
</body>
</html>And a .desktop to launch it:
[Desktop Entry]
Name=Vuu-do Browser
Comment=Vuu-do Web Browser
Exec=/home/greenjeans/Vuu-do-browser/vuudo_browser1.py
Type=Application
Icon=web-browser
Categories=Network;WebBrowser;greenjeans wrote:
Replaced Osmo with gsimplecal, I like Osmo but just couldn't integrate it like I wanted to do and it's slow to start up. I will be dumping gsimplecal probably next version and just make one from yad as these things are all just a GtkCalendar anyway.Here's one that runs in a terminal. It's one of my earliest bash projects. I never thought about yadifying it, but you can feel free to use it, borrow from it or completely transform it.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/file … 06_all.deb
https://github.com/fsmithred/taskfer (the todo script on this page is older than the .06 package. One command line option is missing)
Warning: You will develop an intimate relationship with the date command while working on this project.
I'll check it out, thanks! But don't know how ambitious I am messing around withe date, I was thinking simple like :
yad --calendar --title Calendar --no-buttons --mouse --skip-taskbarTry that out in a terminal, it's almost perfect, just need to figure out how to gray-out the next months days at the bottom of the calendar.
But this is all gsimplecal is, mate calendar too though it uses zenity. They all use the GtkCalendar widget.
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Forgot to mention yesterday, I threw up a zipped file of the extensions i've been working on and put it up at sourceforge too, for anyone that wants them or just wants to play around with them.
greenjeans wrote:Well pardon me but that's baloney[etc]
I prefer the phrase "what a load of old bollocks" for such occasions...
I was kinda worried even saying baloney, don't want to seem antagonistic or whatnot, i'm just passionate about the things I do and believe in, so I hope nobody ever takes offense at my yowling, I don't mean anything personal by it and i'm not angry.
Except dconf, and I ******* hate that ****** ******* ****.
service <name> start|stop|restart OR /etc/init.d/<name> start|stop|restartWhere name is the name of the service (script) in /etc/init.d/ that you want to start, stop or restart.
man page now says you should use --full-restart for the restart command.
service <name> --full-restartAnd that's your Virgo OCD moment of the day, brought to you by the mighty VUU legions. ![]()
Yes I can use a basic browser with no javascript support to access a few forums, I can even use elinks or lynx or whatever, but can you pay your bills, shop online or do your online banking...?
Well yeah, the 130 line browser can do most if not all that, not just forums, works almost everywhere i've tried it, even youtube.
And yes it was consumerist propaganda, what I heard was "Throw away yer old hardware because Mozilla, that's why".
It's quantitatively no different than when the spoiled child whines that it's ALL the other softwarez that's to blame, not my precious cause it's perfect. (systemd).
Ridiculous, zero chance i'll let a browser make my computer buying decisions for me.
But anybody who buys into this and wants to throw away their old hardware because it's a little slow running Chromium, please send them to me, i'll happily re-furbish them and pass them along to families in need that can't afford to pay 1000 bucks for a new browser-support-system. ![]()
New Vuu-do Openbox 64 bit iso's uploaded just now : https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do/files/Openbox/
Added ffmpegthumbnailer for video thumbnails.
Replaced Osmo with gsimplecal, I like Osmo but just couldn't integrate it like I wanted to do and it's slow to start up. I will be dumping gsimplecal probably next version and just make one from yad as these things are all just a GtkCalendar anyway.
Added multiple extensions to pcmanfm, for images: Set As Wallpaper, Rotate Image, Resize Image. Also added a right click search option and I fixed the existing extensions (a couple needed fine-tuning for file types).
Used an acpi event to make system suspend when laptop lid closes, this is better than nothing, but will be looking into fixing xfce power manager if I can on next run so it's close/lid functions will actually work. Still couldn't get it to lock screen too, but if you suspend using the desktop shortcut (alt+s) you can set it to lock upon resume from suspend and hibernate that way, just edit obsession.conf, instructions are in release notes and in that file.
Many small fixes, added shortcut to open menu with keyboard (alt+m), useful if your desktop is clogged up with open windows as it opens on top of all. Changed conky a bit, did some menu work, shaved a little more cruft and yet still added more functionality. A nice tidy 594 mb iso, unpacks to 1.9 gigs installed, so very comfortably within the 2 gig goal.
The ~ 1GHz and 1GB of RAM era hardware and older, is sadly just not up to the job.
For an old PC from this era you could try installing something like NetBSD or OpenBSD and using as a router, access point, firewall, etc...
Well pardon me but that's baloney, I use a 1.0 ghz APU every day, 2 gigs of ram though that I added 2 more to. But in truth I could use way less, my system idles at around ~130 mb of ram use at idle, and that's the 64 bit stuff, my 32 idles at 87 mb.
I've rehabbed a couple hundred of these old machines in the last decade, and all are still in use as far as I know. I built my desktop at home in 2005 with a single core chip, and it still only has 1 gig of ddr-400, and it is still the fastest machine in the house because I hand-built the system that runs it like I build 'em now.
Admittedly browsers have gotten cumbersome, bloated and just a PITA to use, but just because Chromium and Mozilla don't have their **** together doesn't mean I should start tossing perfectly good hardware, that's some silly consumerist propaganda right there, it's what I would expect from Redmond or Cupertino folks, but not on a linux forum.
If I want fast, I have a python-webkit browser that's only 130 lines of code and is fast as lightning, and can be used on this very forum. Linux is about solutions and innovation, and supporting older hardware has always been part of that.
I think you need mtp-tools and mtpfs
So far I haven't had to have those to connect Android phones to Devuan, it already has libmtp onboard and that's been working so far.
OP this may sound silly, but make sure the cable you're using to connect phone is charge-AND-data, not just a charging cable. This happened to me is why I mention it, it's always the little things in linux.....