I usually just delete anything that gives me crap like that. 

There are no errors, just cruft that hasn't been RM'ed yet.

If you want an alternate shutdown system, I have tested Obsession extensively in both Openbox and Mate and it works great. Super easy to make keyboard shortcuts using obsession and get one click shutdown, suspend, hibernate etc.

Well that part is simple and should work fine with alsa, if your speaker/receiver setup takes a conventional RCA input, just make or buy a patch cable and use the headphone output from your computer.

^This +100

Exactly why I do any development stuff on the lowest spec machine I have, it finds all the hidden flaws. And if you can make something run good on a real entry-level machine, it'll work great on better spec stuff.

Hexchat here, works great, easy interface.

Thanks for that! Will keep in mind as that looks like a very sane and simple way of doing keybindings.

Figured out the Mate issue though, always something simple....I had forgotten to check and re-do the conky settings when I migrated the build from openbox to mate, conky will work almost universally regardless of how you set it, but working-without-conflicting with Mate takes some specific settings. Need to set it to draw it's own window, and the own_window_type needs to be "override".

Interesting, was that using Xfce?

Worked fine for me on Mate.  It doesn't take all the QT libraries to run, just a few, I just hate having any QT at all on my pristine GTK system.

Some of mine are even spins of spins.

Devuan has been incredibly stable under most conditions for the last 7-8 months that i've used it, despite the Beta and now RC status, works great for rolling your own distro already, but then my understanding was that this was always one of the main goals of Devuan, to be a base distro to work off of. The devs are very encouraging about it, and there's a lot of support for folks who are trying to do so. Lots of good tools being developed to automate the process, but I expect everyone does it slightly different.

I do mine by de-construction first, then rebuild and use Refracta-tools to make installable hybrid iso's.

You can also try out the new live-sdk, some are using that, i've tried it and it's next on my list of things i'd like to learn better.

This just literally made what was a darned frustrating day (chasing a bug I made myself somehow), into me being a happy camper, thanks Golinux!!

Okay, guess I better get back to the drawing board since I made the list and all.

See i'm the same way when it comes to suspend and hibernate, have never used either one in my life, so wasn't aware of the options disappearing in mate-power-manager and the shutdown dialog.

I do remember seeing issues with both going back a long time ago.

As i'm watching Mate develop (or not) i'm starting to see options for configuration and such go bye-bye just like they did in gnome 2 the last couple years as they were destroying it to make way for that gnome 3 junk.

Not real stoked going forward like that, doesn't seem in keeping with 'nix philosophy. I took a peak at 1.16. in ascii and options for custom colors for a given theme via the gui is gone apparently. You can still edit the theme itself directly I guess, but that seems like a crappy thing to do to new users who like to experiment with colors, it was a good feature.

Obsession works pretty good for this, I added some custom keyboard-shortcuts and added them to the conky display on my system so they are always handy.

/usr/bin/obsession-exit -s  (suspend)
                                  -H  (hibernate)
                                  -r   (reboot)
                                  -p  (power-off/shutdown)

I'm actually working on that right now, as i'm building a mate mini at the moment.

First part of workaround: Uninstall mate-power-manager and mate-power-manager-common.  Install xfce4-power-manager and it's dependencies, make sure you have libupower-glib3 installed before you try to install xfce-power-manager, it's a dependency but for some reason may not be tagged as such.

Everything works in xfce power manager for me except for : options when I close lid of laptop

Other than that, everything else works, suspend, hibernate, what to do when power button is pushed etc.

For the second part i'm trying to figure out how to substitute a command in the main mate menu, the package "obsession" normally used for Openbox shutdown, also works in mate and offers suspend and hibernate and all other shutdown options you'd expect. I can click the obsession-logout file in /usr/bin/ and it pops up the shutdown menu just fine, just need to make it work in the main mate menu. (Obviously you can stick a .desktop file in the menu somewhere or in the panel and use it in the meantime, I just want to integrate it in to a mate install fully).