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#1126 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problems with the multimedia player VLC [Solved] » 2017-11-03 21:01:50

cynwulf wrote:

You're also running "ASCII" which is the equivalent to the Debian testing branch.  This is not a finished, stable release.

I didn't even notice that, about a 90% probability that's the problem.

VLC and every other media player i've tried work fine in Devuan stable, even in my stripped down Vuu-do, and even works 100% without Pulseaudio, i'm running straight ALSA and all gstreamer 0.10 too.

Can't tell people nothin', look around the forum, nearly all the reported "bugs" aren't bugs, they're ascii and ceres issues. You would think people would enjoy stable...I guess it's more important to say you got a 4.9 kernel, even if it doesn't do anything more than the stable kernel and your s**t keeps breaking. Go figure.

#1127 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-11-03 20:55:39

fungus wrote:

Ever since I got pale moon back I have not played a single utube video that had a problem, so it must be a hw related issue.

Yeah Palemoon works great, plays youtube fine and everything else too. Have not checked Midori with alternate video site or local, will do so, I don't know if flash works or not as i'm not installing that garbage ever again. Adobe can take a long walk off a short pier as far as i'm concerned.

#1128 Re: DIY » The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition » 2017-11-03 20:48:12

cynwulf wrote:

Not sure about HTML5 video with regard to Midori.

You may be stuck with Chromium and it's forks, if that's a requirement.  It tends to perform better than both firefox and seamonkey on lower end systems regardless.

It's weird, Midori is supposed to be able to run HTML5 stuff, webm, h.264 etc. And I have everything onboard it needs, Palemoon is working fine and it needs basically the same libraries, Chromium of course works....kinda stuck, I have seen some people reporting the same thing, but no answers for them have been posted. Sucks, it's very useable, pretty quick on startup, and with depends about half the size of palemoon and a third of the size of Chromium and FF.

@Nixer: Thanks for the heads-up, I will head that way now and give it a spin.

#1129 DIY » The hunt for a good browser 2017 edition » 2017-11-02 22:53:19

greenjeans
Replies: 27

Palemoon is still winning, barely. But it can't do mhtml or view pdfs like Chromium can. FF is pretty meh, slowest browser by far on my machine.

Midori is nice and light, I like it a lot, but I can't get video to work at all. If you don't need youtube it's nice and fast. Does require some symbolic icons that you might not have or you'll get the red x thing. Devuan dropped it from stable repo for some reason.

Next up, testing the Seamonkey suite.

#1130 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-11-02 22:24:00

Still no joy with Midori and video....weird.

Too bad, I like it otherwise, but gonna have to give up on it for now.

#1131 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-11-01 21:46:35

Midori won't do video of any kind at the moment on my machine, I have all the things it needs and video works fine on all the other browsers, but no joy so far.....

#1132 Re: Other Issues » (SOLVED) Systemd Library in Ascii » 2017-11-01 18:42:51

cynwulf wrote:

How about checking why it's installed?

$ aptitude why libsystemd0

Is there a way to do this if you don't have aptitude installed? I don't see a similar apt command....

#1133 Re: Other Issues » (SOLVED) Systemd Library in Ascii » 2017-11-01 18:37:45

libpulse0 gets dragged in with some of the media programs, VLC will do it.  My basic understanding from the documentation is that it's just there to translate if you are on a network and trying to deal with another machine that uses pulseaudio. In practice though it will dump a pulsecookie on you and make itself at home in your Home. I left part of it since VLC wants it but de-fanged it so it doesn't poop out pulsecookies every session.

#1134 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-11-01 18:32:09

cynwulf wrote:

It's quite normal for a deb file to be packaged with docs such as AUTHORS, BUGS, NEWS, README, TODO, changelog, copyright.  Doubtless there are countless more examples.  A static library (.so) by comparsion may be tiny compared to it's documentation.

The only way around this is to repackage, or base your system off something other than Debian.  Deleting files externally to the package manager means they come back when packages are upgraded or reinstalled.  Same with any unwanted locales installed in /usr/share/locale/

Contrary to popular belief, Debian (and by inheritence Devuan) just isn't a light system.  It's a general purpose distribution.

Absolutely, and that's part of the fun for me, I could run a real lightweight distro easily enough, but you often have to sacrifice a lot to do so.

I have notes in Vuu-do about the subject of updates changing/adding things, all I can do is start it off small for folks that use it, after that they can choose to continue that policy or not. I do provide extensive documentation about what i've done and how folks can do it too though, it's not too hard, as mentioned above setting Bleachbit to do the work for you in one fell swoop is handy as a shirt pocket. wink

#1135 Re: DIY » Is there any reason to use the gstreamer-gnomevfs package? » 2017-11-01 18:25:07

cynwulf wrote:

Also I assume you've disabled recommends and suggests in your apt configuration to cut down on crap?

Oh most definitely, but there are times that policy will cause some bit of functionality to be left out, i'm going through all the programs I use one-by-one trying to add what's needed for common functions back in now.

Great info cynwulf, thanks for responding!  It's all the little things that add up, I ran a test snapshot last night of the maximal version and it's down to a tidy 585 mb, and yet it does more than ever.

Long dang process doing this stuff, and quite a ways to go yet.

#1136 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-10-31 20:58:42

cynwulf wrote:

As far as I know it's not going to remove unwanted deb packages for you and resolve dependencies.  Thus I'm not entirely sure how it will make Midori browser, "lighter".

Semantics is all. It doesn't make Midori lighter, it makes the system lighter. Removing translations and other cruft. You will have to make a custom cleaner to deal with the docs in /usr/share/doc.

And it will remove some unwanted .debs, it has an Apt cleaning section and you can set it to delete the auto-removeables.

Cruft. there are thousands of packages in the repo in which the actual executables are a tiny fraction of the package size, some have changelogs that go back to the 90's and are huge.

I was looking at one today, it was listed in Synaptic at 613 kb, but 554 kb of that was all docs and none of them were any kind of manual or help in any form/

#1137 DIY » Simple Yad picture viewer » 2017-10-31 20:51:48

greenjeans
Replies: 2

Man, it's almost perfect, the man has really done amazing things with Yad.

The "--picture" command is not even in the man page, lol, but towards the bottom it lists options for that command, I just happened to read down that far and tried --picture to see what would happen.

Try this, pick a folder with images, open a terminal and run this, substitute an image of yours for the one I have below (IMG_8678.JPG)

yad --title="VYUU - Right-click image for viewing options" --picture --size=fit --filename=IMG_8678.JPG --width=800 --height=600 --center --inc=256

Only bugs I see are in the increase/decrease size options, it does work but does not re-solve for focus, that only works if you use "fit to window" or "original size".

The other one is that you need to specify the window size to get the pic to open and fill the window, if you just use the --maximize argument the window will open up maximized but the pic will be thumbnail size.

To-do list says next version will get a slideshow function. Cool stuff, it's amazing what you can do with Yad and a dash of dash. wink

#1138 DIY » Is there any reason to use the gstreamer-gnomevfs package? » 2017-10-31 20:00:41

greenjeans
Replies: 4

I have most of the gstreamer (0.10) packages onboard, but not that one, I do use gvfs for mounting. trash etc, but so far have not seen any bugs that might indicate a missing package.

The explanation of the package says it's mainly to deal with Shoutcast, but internet radio works fine without it.

Oddball question I know, but i'm down to dealing with the smaller dirty details in Vuu-do, and I really want to fine-tune it and use only what is actually needed to perform the intended tasks.

#1139 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-10-31 19:45:47

Added python-lxml today, it's a "recommend" for Inkscape, not a depend, but in practice the filters and extensions won't work without it. Again I like the modularity so i'm not gonna complain, in fact it's great, really narrowing down now what's _actually_ needed to run this system and what's not.

Replaced Handbrake's monkey-face-of-shame.png with new png's I made from the original ginormous SVG, did the same for tint2conf and anything else that was still trying to use SVG's in the menu.

Added some more updating to the OXY2-ZEN icons, adding a couple more icons tonight to bring it further up-to-date and add some functionality.

#1140 Re: Other Issues » numix-icon-theme-circle how to install and configure on Devuan? » 2017-10-31 19:39:40

MiyoLinux wrote:
greenjeans wrote:

Deleted a big pile of pointless 512x512 PNG's too, and all the Adwaita 256x256's.

DAGNABIT! ...and I was wanting to make a poster... big_smile

LOL!!

I actually felt like Handbrake had worn the monkey-face-of-shame.png for long enough, so last night I fired up Inkscape and started making PNG's from the SVG, worked great, I did tint2conf.svg too, it's another one that only had one SVG instead of individual PNG's but it wasn't a gigantic one like Handbrake had, but since i'm doing it I though I would do them all, so now my menu's have zero SVG's being used for icons. Nice and quick.

#1141 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-10-31 19:33:33

cynwulf wrote:
greenjeans wrote:

Doesn't seem quite as nice as last time I tried it, but it's certainly lightweight, the depends had some heft but not bad (and some of that will go bye-bye as soon as I run bleachbit).

Getting a bit offtopic here, but bleachbit is a "cleaner" application.  It does not and should not be touching any installed binary packages, and it certainly should not be run as root regardless.  This pretty much only leaves your /home/your_user directory.

Well I don't sweat the off-topic part of it, but it is an opinion, one I don't share after many years of using Bleachbit.

Bleachbit isn't capable of modifying binaries without some extra code. The default settings don't touch system files that are critical, you would have to write a custom cleaner to even do so. Bleachbit in normal use is only a quick shorthand app to do cleaning a user should normally do anyway, linux is not perfect and some files never get truncated or deleted in a timely fashion and you get ginormous logs, xsession-error files etc.

The root account gets clogged up too if you use it a lot, which I do, some folks run as root all the time.

It's completely configurable, and you can turn off anything you don't want touched. I set all the default settings for Beachbit in Vuu-do, and they are the same settings i've used for the last almost 8 years that i've been using it. Literally several tens of thousands of times that I have run Bleachbit, and I have yet to have a problem. I even write distro-specific custom cleaners from time to time and they always work well. Bleachbit has saved me cumulatively many hours over the years of having to do all the stuff by hand before I make an iso run.

#1142 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-10-30 22:18:12

Wow, good info, thanks! Saving that for another case scenario, in this case Midori had a .deb on their site, had to add a couple of depends, then dpkg'ed the .deb in.

Doesn't seem quite as nice as last time I tried it, but it's certainly lightweight, the depends had some heft but not bad (and some of that will go bye-bye as soon as I run bleachbit).

On first glance, it takes some configuring, had to work to figure out how to put a Home button in the toolbar. And currently it's missing icons used for the new tab button, and also for the address bar, both places are giving me the little red X. It recommends gnome-icon-theme so i'm guessing maybe it's using a gnome-specific icon name for both...arrgh...have to check the damn source now and find out what it is, as I sure as hell ain't gonna re-install those icons.

ETA: Ahh, neither my main icon set or hicolor had the icons it wanted, found them in Adwaita by specifying a fallback in the ~/.gtkrc, will make some for Oxy2-ZEN.

I will take it for a spin the next week or two, it may work out. Certainly love to hear anyone else's impressions if they try it.

#1143 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-10-30 20:58:18

Again, getting around to checking out all the programs that should work without me having to check them, lol.

Added libreoffice-pdfimport so Writer would actually perform the task which is it's main reason for existence in Vuu-do, don't understand why it wouldn't be built-in as that's gonna be the most common task for it, but I do appreciate modularity so i'm not gonna complain.

Added the cups pdf driver too just in case it had an issue with printing pdf's, I don't have a printer to test, hope it works!

Wiped out more cruft.

Did a fresh install on wife's machine, hadn't messed with her laptop for many months, and that's where I found the pdf bug. But her machine also has two sound devices, one for the HDMI output and one regular, and Volumeicon wouldn't start as a result because it uses the first card by default (card 0) and that was the HDMI one.

10 second fix was to create an ~/.asoundrc :

pcm.!default {
        type hw
        card 1
 }

ctl.!default {
        type hw
        card 1
 }

#1144 Re: Other Issues » numix-icon-theme-circle how to install and configure on Devuan? » 2017-10-30 20:48:18

Ahh I see, it's not a conventional icon setup, some crazy svg stuff, looks like you need to run some script to generate more icon sizes, and all I see in the thing is an "apps" group of icons, no system icons of any kind.

Pass.

Sorry I couldn't help, maybe there's a .deb somewhere. Or even better if someone who has them installed would make a quick zip file of the actual icons.

Me I usually delete SVG's with great prejudice, the big ones especially drag menus to a crawl if you let programs use them, Libreoffice is especially bad, Handbrake only has one but it's even worse than the libre icons.

I just deleted more of them this morning in fact, and am about to get rid of the last one infesting my menu.

Deleted a big pile of pointless 512x512 PNG's too, and all the Adwaita 256x256's.

#1145 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-10-30 20:38:27

cynwulf wrote:

How is midori on Linux these days?  It was a core dump factory on OpenBSD last time I tried it, it's not so bad on DragonFly and FreeBSD.  Again, it's webkit, but it is (or was) 'lightweight' for a browser based on that layout engine.

It worked surprisingly well for me the last time I tried it, but last I checked it wasn't in the repo anymore for some reason, thanks for reminding me of it, I am going to download the latest version and give it a try again, it might be more apropos for what i'm trying to do with Vuu-do.

I wonder why it's not in the Devuan repo anymore?

#1146 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-10-28 21:55:50

cynwulf wrote:

Try the netsurf browser

I have. Have tried all the ones in the repo and then some. Netsurf is kinda cool. For me personally I probably use Chromium the most, followed by Palemoon and then my little non-bloated python browser.

My concern is more for what I'm sending out with my little project distro, I want to make it nice, as much functionality as possible but still fast and lightweight.

Seems like I get to choose one of those three criteria and that's it, can't have all 3.

#1147 Re: Other Issues » numix-icon-theme-circle how to install and configure on Devuan? » 2017-10-28 21:06:00

Right-click that file, choose "extract here", next move the extracted icon pack into /usr/share/icons/

That should do it, you can change the ownership to root if you want.

Icons are easy like that, just drop them in the folder and when you next pull up your preferences editor they should be there.

#1148 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-10-28 20:55:39

Palemoon does the same thing if you try to use it to open a pdf too. bummer. I really hate pdf's, but wife uses them so.....

Seems like the only game in town anymore with all the features is Chromium.

#1149 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-10-26 20:44:25

New calendar is here to stay, works great!

But in going through and fine-tuning I had a headslapper moment, went to fully test the games and of course Aisleriot (gnome solitaire) wants me to load 50 mb of yelp crap just to display a help file that could be displayed in a text editor or dialog window. This kind of stupid is how bloatware is born. It was bad enough that to play a game of solitaire required about 25 mb of the game and dependencies.

Gone. Ace-of-Penguins works great. Wrote another little yad script so as to avoid multiple menu entries, when you click "Solitaire" it opens up and offers you Klondike, Freecell, or Canfield. That's good enough for onboard solitaire I think. And the help files work.

Total space used for all the games, help, and my script is under 100k.

Next Vuu-do (1.0.5) is looking to drop down below 590 mb methinks (roughly 1.88 gb unpacked/installed), and yet again getting smaller while adding more features.

#1150 Re: Installation » [Solved] How to install the new version of Firefox on Devuan? » 2017-10-26 20:32:25

Finally found found a bug (I think) in Palemoon, it doesn't seem to know what to do with an .mhtml file. Chromium opens them up perfectly, but PM errors, it throws up a sort of "what do you want to do with this file? Open, save? thing, and when you click "open" it doesn't open it, throws up a new tab, and presents you with the same question box again, over and over.

Other than that, Palemoon does a good job, it does lag on opening some, but not as bad as Chromium has gotten and waaaaaaay better than FF.

185 kb to install python-webkit and throw up a tiny fast browser, vs 170 mb of Chromium and over 100 mb of FF, it's ridiculous really, I find myself using the python browser more and more. I'm guessing it wouldn't be too hard to solve the occasional crash caused by video or add some rules that blocks it and JS and such. I had it working great on Youtube for a while, isn't youtube all HTML5 now? Not going to add flash just to see, lol.

185 kb. <---the "massive bloated webkit", lololololol!

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