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#1076 Re: Devuan Derivatives » List of Devuan derivatives » 2017-07-24 20:39:01
if you dessire i can help
That would be a nice change of pace. 
#1077 Re: Devuan Derivatives » List of Devuan derivatives » 2017-07-24 20:26:12
can you detail what are incorporated from the oteher derivated work into the miyolinux? as i can see any docs about it
with that i can take and change my review!
Maybe if you actually gave one of my iso's a good test drive instead of giving it an "uff i'm tyred" (WTH does that even mean?), you might notice a lot of derived work from the Devuan derivative list. 
Miyolinux is outstanding, you look at my work on Vuu-do and you will see that Miyolinux worked EXACTLY like it was built to, to inspire other folks to try openbox and make it easy to do so, and even to build your own system from it.
#1078 Re: Devuan Derivatives » List of Devuan derivatives » 2017-07-24 19:13:12
i think so then that miyolinux must work directly in devuan and not divert the work.. its more productive
No it's not, more people using and experimenting with Devuan make for an extremely robust development environment, how do you think Debian got to be as big as it is? Much of the derivative work WILL make it's way into Devuan as it merits it, Refracta-tools is an excellent and shining example of this and how well this system works.
It is Devuan's wonderful attitude and specific encouragement of new developers and experimenters that drew me to it and keeps me here trying to make contributions in any way I can.
I have tried every one of those derivatives, and have learned something new with each one, and incorporated what I felt was best in all of them into the work i'm doing, and I guarantee you that the inclusion of these other developers work in mine has made my stuff at least 100% better than it ever could have been without it.
just my .02 worth.
#1079 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-20 20:26:33
Ok, while it is slowly dripping down from surgeforce I like to ask if pulse-audio gets a pid 1
If yes between grub and login you can have this as a theme song play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF2ZqlPNuqU
Deadly serious, I am!
I love that song so much, I got to see him play it years ago before he passed away.
On another note, just uploaded some new mini iso's, both Openbox and Mate. Not a lot has changed but Devuan pushed some updates as I noted earlier in this thread, the maximal's are already done, just finally got around to doing the mini's too. Fixed some small things and updated release notes with more info.
#1080 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can I use Debian multimedia? » 2017-07-20 19:17:21
I'm mainly on a laptop, but splashed out on a cheep USB Blu-Ray drive on ebay from china for $20 deal. It's by far the worse bit of kit I have, but it reads Blu-Ray which means I can play around with Blu-Ray. Good luck with VUU
About to rebuild the nicer desktop at the house, and that's one of the things I was going to upgrade both to use and to play around with in linux.
Were you able to get blu-ray working with open-source video drivers or did you need proprietary?
#1081 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can I use Debian multimedia? » 2017-07-18 22:29:01
<shameless self-promotion and back patting> Pretty much everything you mentioned above, Vuu-do (maximal versions) will do out of the box including play DVD's. Don't know about blu-ray as I don't have a machine with a blu-ray optic drive to test with.
VLC
Handbrake
Asunder +lame
Winff (file conversion)
libdvdcss2
Exaile
All included. You can also rip radio streams through Exaile using the Streamripper backend (also included).
And this is all in jessie, so it's actually stable and well tested. And no deb-multimedia!
</shameless self-promotion and back patting>
#1083 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-18 20:25:02
continued ...
I use pcmanfm in openbox and the only difference is that mountable volumes through the fm vanished.
I guess the gvfs process provide thunar with this ability (mounting and umounting volumes and drives, permanent and temp) and pcmanfm uses
that ability but does not have it on its own. So in order to have this thunar must also be installed, or it came along back with gvfs.Gui crap! Now I understand what virtual file system means.
Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Yep, gvfs does a lot of mounting duty, adds a lot of functionality to Openbox especially.
#1084 Re: Off-topic » Is Blackbox still today a recommended or outdated WM ? » 2017-07-14 21:05:49
Good to find you all, first note here.
I was recently sold to the idea of trying i3, with claims of being able to do it all and with minimal resources.
It is very different, it comes with a good manual but it may take some time to get used to. So keep a hardcopy of the manual next to the keyboard and a reading light, if you are like me and work in the dark with a dark desktop
I use the i3 screenlocker in my Openbox vuu-do installs, I really like it, lightweight and lightning-fast. i3 has some neat stuff.
#1085 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-14 20:57:12
thanks
As far as I know it's okay, have never had conky crash due to a font, so it's news to me. Seems like since it allows spaces that dashes should be fine?
#1086 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-10 19:48:03
Uploading updated versions of Openbox and Mate maximal versions now, not a lot has changed but Devuan pushed a kernel update along with libc and some others, seemed important enough to run some new images, plus I added the conky code I posted above, and added more info to release notes, dotted some i's and crossed some t's here and there.
#1087 Re: Off-topic » When you can't tell the difference between Windows and systemd » 2017-07-10 19:04:18
Meanwhile...
In the real world.
If this were a first-person shooter game, this is what we would call a headshot:
"....And yes, a large part of this may be that I no longer feel like I can
trust "init" to do the sane thing. You all presumably know why."Linus
BOOM.
Rock on Devuan! 
#1088 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-10 18:45:13
So here is the state of slim as seen by me Mon July 20th 2017.
Time machine?
#1089 DIY » Nasty local hacks, the definitive and not-official Devuan list » 2017-07-08 22:24:46
- greenjeans
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Okay, been thinking about making this thread for a while. Got any local hacks you do post-install? You know, the not-pretty-or-sustainable-but-does-the-trick type of thing, the "oh-no-you-don't-force-me-into-this-crap" kind of thing that isn't solved by the delete-hammer alone?
I'll post one here and more as I think of them.
1. Hate Samba? (and you should). Don't share files with intentionally buggy Windoze machines? Don't want any of that crap on your machine but use GVFS so are stuck with libsmbclient and 20+ mb's of samba-libs and other assorted samba related depends?
gvfs-backends is the only real issue here, mounting/reading samba shares is one of the things gvfs is capable of doing, not something it HAS to do, it's one of the features but somebody decided to make it a dependency during packaging.
Hack it: go to /var/lib/dpkg/status and open that file as root for editing. Find the gvfs-backends entry (search function in text-editor is very helpful here, this is a LARGE file). In the list of dependencies you will find libsmbclient, delete that entry only and change the "Version=" field of gvfs-backends to a higher number (currently on mine version is listed as 1.22.2-1, I changed only the last number to a 5). Save and close. Open Synaptic and refresh and if nothing else is using the samba libs they will be listed as "autoremoveable" by Synaptic. Now use the uninstall-hammer and enjoy linux without that buggy virus-port-of-entry samba crap.
#1090 Re: Off-topic » When you can't tell the difference between Windows and systemd » 2017-07-08 21:09:23
I'm beginning to get the feeling that he, (Lennart Poettering), is secretly working for Microsoft, seems all his software has bugs that he calls features.
More like pissy Microsoft wannabe, but never good enough to make the cut to make the big bucks in Redmond or Cupertino. Gnome devs=same thing.
They despise people having any choices, want to further close the source and commercialize linux and give it unremoveable "branding", these people are the very antithesis of everything open-source stands for, and a clear and present danger to free software going forward.
#1091 Re: Installation » Broken packages in Ascii, how to fix? (Beware of Debian Stretch) » 2017-07-08 20:43:57
I think you just like saying "Air-Gapped".
#1092 Re: Documentation » Live-build tips » 2017-07-08 20:41:22
Ozi wrote:.... given the live-sdk is the future?
Is it a given? Why/why not? What will become of live-build and its existing applications/users? Is there a migration path?
What are the alternatives? (Linux Live, Remastersys, ...)
Please discuss. Rationally, if you can, please, ladies and gentlemen. If this has been covered elsewhere (I did look) a pointer will suffice.
Suggested topics:
Pros and cons: stability, maintenance/maintainability, features/extensibility, ease of use/documentation/support, resources, licensing, user base, ...
Refracta-Snapshot is what I build with, it's perfect for my needs and how I do things, which is as an advanced user, not a developer. It's ultra-user friendly, a comfy GUI and just a few questions and you can roll your own.
It would be possible to do _most_ of what I do, with live-sdk if you were willing to invest the time to make an extremely lengthy and detailed build template....I told FSR I would give that a try at some point, but to be honest i'm a little daunted by it and not even sure I could get the level of detail that I get working the post-install system.
Once I have tweaked a system to the nth degree and am finally ready to run a snapshot, after that first run I have a template, so subsequent builds are super easy, load a template iso on a partition, update packages and make any changes desired, squash the results and boom, new iso.
It's not a "build" system like live-sdk is really, it's a tool for making copies, and requires a system already be in place to use it. But it's damned effective, and allows even novice users to experiment and create, I especially like that aspect, more people playing makes for a robust environment for innovation and development.
#1093 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-08 19:42:09
Hi greenjeans, just a question about your desktop: what's the program displaying date/time and keyboard shortcuts I see on the desktop?
Sorry, I was out of pocket for a few days, I see Pekman got it covered though.
I like conky, but on mine I like a minimal conky, date/time and some shortcuts and that's about it.
Am about to squash some new isos and have added the ability for conky to display whatever my music program (Exaile) is currently playing and the artist's name, for anyone who wants to add that to their conkyrc, here's the basic code:
${if_running exaile}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=16}now playing : ${execi 10 exaile --get-title} – ${execi 10 exaile --get-artist}$endifChange font and size to suit. I have only gotten this to work with Exaile so far.
#1094 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Cinnamon on Devuan ascii » 2017-07-01 20:50:50
So is this only in Ascii?
#1095 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Issues with Laptop Lid Suspend/Hibernate and Panel Plugins » 2017-06-30 22:31:08
I'm not sure what that "obscure" scripting attempts to do, but you really only need the following script as /etc/acpi/lid.sh:
#!/bin/bash if [ "$3" = "close" ] ; then /usr/sbin/pm-suspend fiThe program pm-suspend is from the pm-utils package.
Of course, if you want screen lock, the script needs some more, and it depends of which screen locking you are using.
Well that's a fix for laptop lid events, guess you would need some more code to be able choose hibernate or the screen locker you mentioned.
But unfortunately it doesn't address these power manager bugs. Are there any gui power managers available that don't have multiple broken features?
The mate one in particular is so bad it ought to be pulled until there's a version that actually does something.
#1096 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-30 21:57:21
Alas, just creating a new partition table was not enough.
The only way to get caja to start automatically opening previously-ignored sticks was dd or wipefs, followed by creation of new partition table and new partition through whatever method.
That's so bizarre. What kind of partition table was on the bad sticks to start with, ms-dos?
#1097 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Issues with Laptop Lid Suspend/Hibernate and Panel Plugins » 2017-06-30 21:38:13
I can confirm this is an issue using both XFCE power manager, and Mate power manager, also tried using XFCE pm in Openbox. No lid-triggered events to be had here.
The power icon is also static in Mate and won't update it's status during session, I suspect something in removed systemd components/actions in this case as it works in Debian, but I could be wrong about that.
Mate power manager does very little in fact these days as hibernate and suspend functions seem also to be broken and are grayed out in the gui, so it really doesn't do squat.
#1098 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-30 21:25:27
Yay! Glad you guys fixed it, but before you go to all the below steps on any other drive that does this in the future, I was wondering if you had tried just creating a new partition table first before proceeding with formatting? Knowing gparted and thumbdrive weirdness i've experienced in the past, i'd say there was a good chance doing just that might have been what fixed it, not sure you needed to zero it out first.
lazlo: Yes, running the two wipefs commands and then going into GParted to create the partition table and fat32 partition also works (converts a non-auto-opening thumbdrive to an auto-opening one). The wipefs commands are very fast, much better than waiting 30+ minutes for the original dd command.
Since I've bumped into this issue many times, here is a script that puts it all together: wipefs steps, new msdos partition table, creation of single partition as big as the device, formatting the partition to fat32, adding a label to the partition:
sudo umount /dev/sdb1 sudo wipefs -a -f /dev/sdb1 sudo wipefs -a -f /dev/sdb sudo parted /dev/sdb mklabel msdos &>/dev/null sudo parted /dev/sdb mkpart primary 0% 100% &>/dev/null while [ ! -e /dev/sdb1 ]; do sleep 1; done # because parted mkpart exits before it's done creating sdb1! sleep 1 sudo mkfs.msdos -F 32 /dev/sdb1 sudo dosfslabel /dev/sdb1 "my_label"EDIT: I'd try the targeted dd command as well, but at this point all of my "broken" thumbdrives have been fixed
WARNING: Before using the script above, make sure a) /dev/sdb is actually your thumbdrive (one way to check is with "sudo blkid"), and b) the thumbdrive contains no valuable data. If you have any doubt, don't run the script--it assumes these two things are true.
#1099 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-29 22:15:25
wow, strange one GNUser......i'm at a loss......
#1100 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-29 20:46:45
Okay I just found another way to reproduce this.
If you run gparted and format the usb stick to something, but don't add any content to the disk before trying it, it will automount the stick but not open Caja. If you put any piece of content whatsoever on the stick, then it will auto-open as well as auto-mount.
Gnuser are you trying the stick fresh from re-formatting but with no content?
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