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#976 Re: Off-topic » A new challenger has come in » 2023-11-27 17:58:44
Welcome friend!
If you want an OS that's fun to play around on, you picked the right one, this has been the best and funnest one in all the years i've been messing with Linux!
#977 Re: Other Issues » Seriously? » 2023-11-27 17:51:05
However, I was still frisky back then. I've gotten older and cantankerous and just want a stable system now.
Lol, you and me both. Been running Devuan 1 for 6.5 years now, lol.
Not long ago had conversation with a guy in the library who was interested in what distro I was running, told him, and he was like OMG why are you running something that old?
me: Because it works
him: omg but there's new stuff
me: don't care, it's not broken so no need to fix it
him: But things will break
me: it's not broken
him: it will be
me: IT'S NOT ******* BROKEN!
LOL! But in all seriousness, 6 and a half years and all machines are still working fine, that's awesome, one of the reasons I love Devuan, never had an update in those years that broke anything, it all just kept humming right along.
#978 Re: DIY » So i'm doing a netinstall and have a couple questions » 2023-11-27 17:42:40
Thanks! It is a wired connection and nice and fast too, so GTG there.
I do like Synaptic, i'm a GUI guy, and one of the main philosophies behind the iso's I make is making it user-friendly for folks who are new to Linux, while at the same time using Openbox instead of a DE to ease them slowly into things more complex if that makes any sense. Trying to encourage them to be more DIY by making it easy and understandable to get started doing their own tinkering.
And with Synaptic, it's super easy to look at the recommends and suggests for a given package and go ahead and install them if I want them. More of a pain when using apt to try and decipher them.
Most of them are sensible, but i've seen some that kinda go crazy.
#979 Re: Installation » how to get a team work between refractasnapshot and refracta2usb? » 2023-11-27 17:36:17
Gotcha. I'll use it, if it wills it so, lol.
For those unfamiliar with it, this is basically a good analogy for it:
#980 Re: Installation » how to get a team work between refractasnapshot and refracta2usb? » 2023-11-27 17:11:11
Refracta2usb is a psycho program, i'm pretty sure if I gave it the right instructions it could make my coffee in the morning, lol!
So while we're here, why isn't it in the repo? I need a copy for new stuff i'm doing.
I have at least 3 different sticks I made with it, one with live system, one with live +persistence, and one that's actually a conventional install with a swap part and everything. Cool!
#981 Re: DIY » So I guess there's no getting around having to use GTK3 and Wayland? » 2023-11-27 17:07:00
Slightly off-topic: Sure wish Devuan would include obmenu-generator in the repo, there's a .deb package for it now at suse. Would have to include the Linux::Desktop files perl module, but only other depends are already included in basic Devuan, just perl really.
You do need to add libmodule-build-perl to install the module manually.
#982 DIY » So i'm doing a netinstall and have a couple questions » 2023-11-27 16:46:20
- greenjeans
- Replies: 5
First for those who don't know me, I am NOT a developer or IT guy by training or experience, just an older linux user who likes to tinker, so forgive my simple questions please.
I have done a netinstall before on several occasions, but have always installed a DE as part of that process, never done a barebones install then booted to the CLI and installed manually. When I did Vuu-do originally, I didn't do it that way, I de-constructed Miyolinux down to basics and re-built from there with a lot of help from Miyo and fsmithred.
So, protocol as I now understand:
Run the iso, I have partition already prepared, install only barebones and will install grub. Reboot. I'm assuming i'll still be able to automatically connect to internet when I re-boot to CLI of this install?
Next:
nano /etc/apt/apt.confAdd these lines as a more elegant way instead of typing out instructions for apt? Good to go?
APT::Install-Recommends "false";
APT::Install-Suggests "false";
Acquire::Languages { "en"; "none"; };Then:
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgradeThen time to install programs, I have a list of about 20 to start with, but would it be better to just install Xorg, DM, WM, FM, panel, network manager and Synaptic and reboot first and do the rest from synaptic?
Thanks!
#983 Re: DIY » So I guess there's no getting around having to use GTK3 and Wayland? » 2023-11-26 23:33:51
The above reply by Steve_v says it all!
Found an old machine I forgot I even had, it's even older than my daily user which is 12 years old or so, this one's probably 15 or better. Lady gave it to me a long time ago, It was a Windows Vista machine, and had ground to a complete halt, and she wanted me to try and retrieve her old files and pics and such, so I did, but I also put an early version of Vuu-do (Devuan 1) with the MATE desktop to make it useable for her again, but when I brought the machine back to her she had already bought a new one but was so happy I saved here files she just gave me the old one, and it's been sitting unused for some 5 years. Seriously old and low-spec with just a gig of ram.
Pulled it out and it fired right up, using it in the garage right now playing internet radio and running sound through my shop system. And it's actually quite zippy, even the old Palemoon browser still works and is pretty fast.
And at idle it only uses about 190 mb of ram, as opposed to my current MATE system which is using around 660 and a little cumbersome even with better specs and 4 gigs of better ram. And the system is MUCH larger than that old MATE system, probably roll the whole thing into an 800 mb iso.
Lotsa factors in that equation I know, but GTK3 and Wayland and pulse and such are definitely part of it.
And though they are much smaller than 6 years ago and everything is a little better, people are still using SVG's for icons and it's still slowing down my menus.
All the little stuff matters when added all together IMHO.
But i'm excited, found all my old notes, downed the netinstall iso, and am preparing to do new Vuu-do!
#984 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » are you happy with all the old and new wm's for simple small distros? » 2023-11-20 17:44:01
RE: pcmanfm
It's very useable and low resource and quick. And making it more user friendly is simply a matter of adding extensions, I added a bunch of right-click context menu options to mine, quick image re-sizer and a rotator using imagemagick and yad, open terminal within whatever folder or directory you're in, open as root, edit as root, set image as wallpaper, view exif data etc. etc. basically all the functions you can get from a larger DE file manager like caja.
It's very possible to mimic the functionality of a full DE with Openbox, pcmanfm, and tint2, you just have to connect the dots.
Was super easy to edit the look and colors with gtk2 as well....
#985 Re: Devuan » Installed Daedalus! » 2023-11-13 16:02:58
+1 with regard to PlayonLinux, used it back in the day on Devuan 1 to play Diablo 2, worked great, even had an old school LAN party with wife and a couple of friends, total blast!
#986 Re: DIY » So I guess there's no getting around having to use GTK3 and Wayland? » 2023-11-08 16:33:15
Thanks for all the replies!
I'll definitely be building an Openbox system, pcmanfm, tint2, etc. Hella lotta work to tie everything together and be useable, but the end product is super nice to work with at least for me.
Sadly some of the programs I use now want the stuff....gonna really miss the ease of simple text config files for the user interface.
#987 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-11-07 17:51:36
Daedalus with MATE, One of the things I like about Exaile is that it plays nice with Conky and gives me a "Now Playing" on the display.
#988 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Fujitsu Lifebook U728 + Devuan 4 » 2023-11-07 17:31:33
This sounds intresting. Is there a way i could get "the absolute minimal version of Devuan os" as .iso-file somehow?
I liked the minimal live but i don't completely agree with the choice of packages it has.
Seems like you could install it, delete what you don't want, then install Refracta-Snapshot and Installer and roll your own iso that way, that's basically how I make my own iso's.
#989 DIY » So I guess there's no getting around having to use GTK3 and Wayland? » 2023-11-07 17:23:37
- greenjeans
- Replies: 24
Just doing my research before I start building myself a new system, I barely got by without GTK3 last time and knew it would be inevitable one day, that's why I used my old system for so long. Pure ALSA, GTK2 so light and fast and easy to mod, low system resource usage, so awesome on old hardware.
So looks like GTK3 is now a must and apparently Wayland is too even though I have compositing turned off? Looks like most of my chosen programs require both....the little pop-up mini-views of items in the window list are especially useless, browser too, just junk eating up CPU and RAM.
I has a sad now.
#990 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Firefox no sound. » 2023-11-05 20:07:02
Interesting....In my old system Chromium worked without pulse just fine, but so did FF and Pale moon etc.
Then somewhere along the line FF sound stopped working, and the appimage version didn't have sound either.
As far as new Chromium working on ALSA alone I have no way of testing, just going off what I read of it's dependencies list.
#991 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Firefox no sound. » 2023-11-05 18:06:29
Well I don't have a solution...i'm actually curious as to why it's working in opensuse.
On my old install (Devuan 1) the repo finally went bye-bye and I needed an updated browser, so I got an appimage of FF 116, browser worked fine but no sound, and that system is also pure ALSA like yours.
Chromium now requires pulse too.
#992 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-11-05 17:39:18
Yeah I have pulse installed, default install threw it in there, and I haven't messed with it yet. Mate version is 1.26.0, VLC is version before today's update.
gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio is actually not installed on my system. Sound seems to be working okay, had to install another package for Exaile to work properly (python3-dbus).
It's actually vlc-plugin-base that wants libpulse0, but VLC works normally without it as I dummy'ed it out on last system, was only required for communicating with other machines on the LAN that use pulse, but I never needed that functionality.
#994 Re: Off-topic » "Human" interfaces. » 2023-11-04 19:05:33
Linux ate my RAM. lol!
But on the bright side I just ran some new wiring in my shop and installed a 2nd set of speakers, some old Boston components I built kickpanels for and were in the truck I just sold, currently jamming on some Lynyrd Skynyrd, woo-hoo!
#995 Re: Off-topic » "Human" interfaces. » 2023-11-04 15:26:06
Because my computer is like me, it's old, tired, and low-spec, lol.
And fyi, my current MATE desktop runs almost 700 mb of ram at idle, while my older Openbox Vuu-do system runs around 128 mb at idle and is waaaaaaaay faster at everything.
#996 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-11-03 16:36:32
And now Chromium also requires pulse as does the MATE desktop environment.....arrrgh....not sure apulse will fix all that.
VLC still wants it, but in fact only needs libpulse0, and that just for communicating with other machines on the LAN that use pulse, which we don't. Wonder if it's something similar for FF, Chromium, and MATE?
Why do the people who code this stuff keep catering to that microsoft idiot and his vapidware?
#997 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » no sound on gnuinos » 2023-11-03 15:53:02
This is what worked for me when I ran my pure ALSA system, .asoundrc:
pcm.!default {
type hw
card 1
}
ctl.!default {
type hw
card 1
}#998 Hardware & System Configuration » Need a network guru! Question about 5 port switches and such » 2023-10-27 21:38:48
- greenjeans
- Replies: 2
Hey guys, this isn't technically about Devuan so please forgive the off-topic post. Our Devuan installs are actually working perfectly.
We have fiber internet now, literally just a wall ethernet jack, no modem needed, but having a problem with switches/router.
We don't want or need wi-fi, we are connecting all directly with cat5e and cat6 cablesto the switch. Our service is 300 mbps, but old laptops only have a 10/100 NIC, but no biggie even 100 mbps would be awesome.
So I have an old generic 5 port switch that works so that's what I hooked up first (direct to wall jack). It works except for some reason it throttles everything down to 25-30 mbps, it's a managed switch but lost the password to login to it a long time ago (it's an almost 20 year old switch).
Tried an older Belkin wi-fi router that has 4 ethernet outputs, outputs all worked but router would not connect to internet, I have the password to it but no amount of tinkering would let it connect.
Bought a TPlink gigabit unmanaged 5 port switch, but it will only allow one output connection when it's plugged directly into wall, apparently something to do with IP addressing, TPlink says something to the effect that it's topology won't work being plugged in directly, it needs a router. (grrrrr, aggravating).
Here's the weird thing, occasionally I can get 90-95 mbps on one machine only, by plugging the gigabit switch into the wall, plugging it's output into the older 10/100 switches input and start by running both laptops off of the 10/100, then while running, unplug one laptop and plugging it into the gigabit switch. Doesn't work every time, and if I mess with any of it by swapping connections here and there it will stop working and i'll have to plug everything back in to the 10/100 switch. Very strange.
So I just wanted to know, does anybody know of a 5-port switch (or some kind of doodad) that CAN be plugged directly into wall jack and support the 4 outputs and give at least the 100mbps my machines can support?
Thanks for any help, been messing with this all day and have a heckuva headache now, I am lousy at this networking stuff.
#999 Re: Off-topic » Building a standard kernel for a specific computer. » 2023-10-27 16:32:12
^68 mb, is that correct?
Holy cow! That's amazing.
#1000 Re: Off-topic » Building a standard kernel for a specific computer. » 2023-10-26 13:25:57
What I was thinking was that the system would be nimbler.
A.
In my experience a smaller system devoid almost entirely of unneeded cruft is FAR nimbler and faster, I have gone so far as to test this assumption thoroughly in the past on multiple machines and I assure you it is so, though the effect is far more noticeable on older machines with lower specs.
I used to know a guy who was way into Gentoo, and he always said I would never know what real speed was until I built a Gentoo system for a specific machine.
Too much work though, lol, for this lazy ol country boy. 
BTW, thanks to everyone in this thread, this is a very interesting topic for me, have never compiled a custom kernel before but I think i'd like to give it a go in the future. I do love a small fast system. Have to spend some time today converting SVG icons into PNG's on some new programs i'm using, SVG's really bog down the main menu when you use icons in addition to the program name in a lower spec machine.
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