"Human" interfaces.

aluma · 2023-11-04 14:00:56

Thoughts out loud from reading a thread " How to set default desktop?"

"Human" DE, for example TDE, has a session manager with a bunch of features, incl. and a choice of installed desktops.
Yes, it may take up more memory.

But here are the specific numbers of used physical memory:
tdm 7.8 Mb
Firefox with 3 tabs 1060 Mb

The question is, why bother installing a “naked” dm (and all sorts of other “light” DE, etc.) , then manually editing the config files?

A "normal" DE for the average user should have a GUI for configuration. And programmers working with the CLI already know everything themselves and don’t ask questions on forums.

The-Amnesiac-Philosopher · 2023-11-04 15:24:10

Some people just need help. They may not understand "forum etiquette". They may not understand what are the right questions to ask. They may not know what to do when told to RTFM.

That was me many years ago. I just needed help.

I knew nothing about GNU/Linux, but due to circumstances, I had to install a GNU/Linux distro if I wanted my family and myself to continue having a computer.

I was met with penguin-hostility and people who tried to make me feel like I didn't belong if I couldn't RTFM. I didn't even know what RTFM meant.

Some folks just need help.

Now, I don't know if that's the case for the person who asked about "How to set a default desktop", but if we can help, we should...and help gladly.

greenjeans · 2023-11-04 15:26:06

Because my computer is like me, it's old, tired, and low-spec, lol.

And fyi, my current MATE desktop runs almost 700 mb of ram at idle, while my older Openbox Vuu-do system runs around 128 mb at idle and is waaaaaaaay faster at everything.

aluma · 2023-11-04 17:23:30

The-Amnesiac-Philosopher wrote:

...Some folks just need help...

We were all newbies once.
But sometimes we step on our own tail!
Even now, after more than 20 years of using Linux, I, to my shame, do not remember the CLI commands and have to open man.
And if it is possible to use a GUI, I would rather use it.
So maybe it would be more correct to suggest this path to a neophyte than to force him to study RTFM?

OpenSuse has a wonderful Yast, Pclinux has a system configurator, maybe they care more about the convenience of users and we should follow their example?

greenjeans wrote:

Because my computer is like me, it's old, tired, and low-spec, lol.
And fyi, my current MATE desktop runs almost 700 mb of ram at idle, while my older Openbox Vuu-do system runs around 128 mb at idle and is waaaaaaaay faster at everything.

This is Devuan with Trinity 14.2 default, standard kernel, with Chimaera it was 100 MB less (I posted it somewhere on the forum earlier).

  root@aa:~# ps_mem
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used       Program

100.0 KiB +  16.5 KiB = 116.5 KiB       start_tdeinit
128.0 KiB +   6.5 KiB = 134.5 KiB       acpi_fakekeyd
120.0 KiB +  27.5 KiB = 147.5 KiB       kwrapper
136.0 KiB +  14.5 KiB = 150.5 KiB       uuidd
104.0 KiB +  87.5 KiB = 191.5 KiB       sh
188.0 KiB +  18.5 KiB = 206.5 KiB       gpm
160.0 KiB +  52.5 KiB = 212.5 KiB       tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol
140.0 KiB +  87.5 KiB = 227.5 KiB       x-session-manag
196.0 KiB +  33.5 KiB = 229.5 KiB       acpid
220.0 KiB +  57.5 KiB = 277.5 KiB       init
296.0 KiB +  66.5 KiB = 362.5 KiB       cron
312.0 KiB +  62.5 KiB = 374.5 KiB       dbus-launch
  1.1 MiB +  15.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB       ssh-agent
624.0 KiB + 482.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB       su
876.0 KiB + 290.0 KiB =   1.1 MiB       dbus-daemon (2)
556.0 KiB + 838.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB       tdm (2)
912.0 KiB + 486.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB       getty (6)
  1.8 MiB +  72.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB       elogind-daemon
  1.8 MiB +  86.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB       sshd
  1.7 MiB + 187.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB       bash
  1.2 MiB + 693.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB       kaccess
780.0 KiB +   1.2 MiB =   2.0 MiB       dcopserver
  2.3 MiB +  22.5 KiB =   2.3 MiB       udevd
  1.9 MiB + 530.5 KiB =   2.4 MiB       khotkeys
  2.1 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   3.5 MiB       cupsd
  2.7 MiB + 885.5 KiB =   3.6 MiB       klipper
  2.1 MiB +   1.5 MiB =   3.7 MiB       tdeinit_phase1
  3.1 MiB +   1.8 MiB =   5.0 MiB       knotify
  3.5 MiB +   1.5 MiB =   5.0 MiB       artsd
  4.3 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   5.5 MiB       wpa_supplicant
  5.0 MiB +   1.0 MiB =   6.0 MiB       kxkb
  3.9 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   6.1 MiB       kded
  4.7 MiB +   1.5 MiB =   6.2 MiB       ksmserver
  5.4 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   6.6 MiB       tdenetworkmanag
  6.2 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   7.6 MiB       tdehwdevicetray
  6.9 MiB +   2.9 MiB =   9.8 MiB       kdesktop_lock
  8.6 MiB +   1.5 MiB =  10.1 MiB       kmix
  8.1 MiB +   2.1 MiB =  10.2 MiB       kdesktop
 10.9 MiB +   1.2 MiB =  12.0 MiB       NetworkManager
 11.0 MiB +   1.8 MiB =  12.8 MiB       kicker
 12.1 MiB +   1.3 MiB =  13.4 MiB       ntpd
 13.6 MiB +   6.7 MiB =  20.3 MiB       tdeinit (8)
 12.8 MiB +  11.4 MiB =  24.3 MiB       python3.11 (2)
 35.8 MiB +   7.8 MiB =  43.6 MiB       hp-systray
 67.8 MiB +   1.4 MiB =  69.2 MiB       Xorg
---------------------------------
                        307.1 MiB
=================================
root@aa:~#

My computers are also more than Google's 10 years old. But today the question is no longer in the OS itself, but in browsers. Everyone wants YouTube (by the way, Chrom based browsers are preferable for the latter on old computers, their codec is faster, Google’s monopolists...) and saving memory on DE is becoming irrelevant.

Best regards guys.

Last edited by aluma (2023-11-04 17:42:56)

greenjeans · 2023-11-04 19:05:33

Linux ate my RAM. lol!

But on the bright side I just ran some new wiring in my shop and installed a 2nd set of speakers, some old Boston components I built kickpanels for and were in the truck I just sold, currently jamming on some Lynyrd Skynyrd, woo-hoo!

The-Amnesiac-Philosopher · 2023-11-04 19:07:02

My early experiences led me to actually RTFM and read man pages.

However, if a certain someone hadn't seen who I was for what I was at the time...and taken me under their wing...I would have thrown GNU/Linux away because of how I was treated.

I don't claim to know nor understand everything about GNU/Linux, but I know more now than I did back then...thanks to someone who actually cared enough to help me be successful back then.

By the way, back then, I looked, looked, and looked for a source so that I could RTFM, and this is all that I could find...

https://www.amazon.com/Photographic-Man … B00179S1PE

It's the only F'n manual that I could find. I read it like 69 times, but I never could find the answer to my Linux questions...

greenjeans · 2023-11-04 19:09:55

aluma · 2023-11-04 19:38:35

The-Amnesiac-Philosopher wrote:

It's the only F'n manual that I could find. I read it like 69 times, but I never could find the answer to my Linux questions...

Probably there was no “human” interface.

The-Amnesiac-Philosopher · 2023-11-04 19:43:05

aluma wrote:

Probably there was no “human” interface.

Hahaha!

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#1 2023-11-04 14:00:56

"Human" interfaces.

#2 2023-11-04 15:24:10

Re: "Human" interfaces.

#3 2023-11-04 15:26:06

Re: "Human" interfaces.

#4 2023-11-04 17:23:30

Re: "Human" interfaces.

#5 2023-11-04 19:05:33

Re: "Human" interfaces.

#6 2023-11-04 19:07:02

Re: "Human" interfaces.

#7 2023-11-04 19:09:55

Re: "Human" interfaces.

#8 2023-11-04 19:38:35

Re: "Human" interfaces.

#9 2023-11-04 19:43:05

Re: "Human" interfaces.

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