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#76 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-13 18:34:32

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

PowerPC (PPC64?) is old and slow and doesn't really compare with the current 7nm x86_64 AMD processors.

Well, actually PowerPC is one of the newest arch's around, created initially in the 90's, and its a open arch, even NXP gave permission to fully open documentation to the project www.powerpc-notebook.org.
It is part of the Open Power Community..

Yes, this processor in cause, is not as powerful as 7nm x86_64 launched recently, but it is the best performance/Open/Cost option available at the moment by far..
It has all the connectivity modern hardware has, and its a lot more performant than a ARM cortex a53, by far..

#77 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-13 02:27:43

zapper wrote:

If it can handle an emulator like desmume and palemoon or two emulators and palemoon, than it would probably be good enough for me till they get a better processor.

I wonder what the most recent, fastest processor type that you can get without having any remote backdoors/blobs is with 4gbs of ram or more obviously and if possible LPDDR4, wink

Anyways thanks for the thoughts.

You welcome,
Indeed maybe mnt reform is the most open of them all( the price seems to go up when you talk of openess.. ) smile

balthazar.space
it seems they will attempt something with RISCV in mind, but they don't rule out a ARM cortex-a7x version..  smile
The project seems ambitious indeed..

Other project, that is not ARM based, but Instead PowerPC based is the www.powerpc-notebook.org
They seem each time closer to get a pcb design, for the Slimbook Eclipse laptop chassis smile
But its a laptop around 1500€( also a bit expensive.. )

Its also a 4 core cpu( SMT 2 - 8 threads ) at 2Ghz, but with some serious amount of Ram, I believe it goes till 32 or 64 GB Ram..
The problem with PowerPC(  to a less extent than RISCV ofcourse,.. because support for RISCV right now almost doesn't exist.... ), is the environment around with supported applications..

At same time Debian has a port for PowerPC 64 bits, and its growing fast..
At the moment, this is my dream of a laptop, I confess! smile

A powerful AMD eGPU( Open Source Drivers ), mechanical keyboard with RGB, tons of memory Ram( even tough its LPDDR3 ) and its dual chanel, and a cpu with 8 threads at 2Ghz, with nvme disks, everything..
But it costs around some 1500€( its a estimated price range, they have done.. )

It could be that "I loose my head" and advance for this one smile

#78 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-12 18:37:19

zapper wrote:

Heh, I guess I did really have a lot of interest in it to the point where there was some emotion, 

I wonder what the strongest emulator it could handle would be though, dosbox or desmume?

Regardless, 4gbs of ram would be enough for a web browser like palemoon and some emulator on at the same time like desmume, dosbox or something I would think.

I also use i3wm anyways. smile   I don't like any DE's except lumina.    too much bloat man... wink

Well, maybe by 2022 theyll have a processor with quad core a72's.

Who knows right?

The developer did say was planning to sell new motherboard configurations with it in the future.  I don't know what processors will be used in the 2022 version, but who knows. That's 2 years away.

meh...

I understand that, I also feel the same..
To be honest, I don't know, but mnt reform should handle them smile
They are using the Same CPU in the laptop that goes into the Purism Librem 5 Smartphone( At least it was initially planned, but I don't know if something changed from that moment til now.. probably some things have changed.. ):
https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

It has very nice features apart from the cpu/Ram, like mechanical keyboard, the mouse trackball, the storage, cpu accelerators for internet packets, and so on, but the price/limited cpu performance/Ram is a no go for me sad

They should had go with the NXP iMX8QuadMax or the most powerful cortex-a72 octacore NXP  LS2088A( 2Ghz ), and 8 GB of Ram to justify the price tag..

Have you took a look at the ASUS Chromebook C201:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3789

its also a option, tough the keyboard would not be comparable with the mnt reform, and the storage is limited, but for a netbook it seems quite ok..
But only If you manage to get a 4GB Ram..
Also the Ram is LPDDR3 nor LPDDR4.. but it has a nice performance..
The most probable is that, if you want to get all functionality, you will have to use some binary blobs , here and there..

#79 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-12 03:42:36

zapper wrote:

Hmm, so they are similiar regarding preformance? is it just then the graphics that are better on a72?

That's what it looks like to me.

Like I said before, It seems more powerful than the Pine64 PINEBOOK or the Olimex Teres I..

But just don't expect it to be a lot more powerful, in processing power, than those, maybe some 30% faster..
It should have better disk performance, better network performance, better graphics than the  Pine64 PINEBOOK or the Olimex Teres I..

But that's it..

For it to compete with a Core2Duo you would need a lot more powerful cpu..
So the comparison with the RPi3( that you made above ), seems adequate, even thought it would be better than the rpi3, but just don't expect it to perform like a core2Duo..

x86 cpu's operate in the 2-4Ghz range, they have big caches on them, this cpu works only at max. 1.5Ghz and has small caches on it..
Also it has a in-order pipeline( x86 have out of order which are faster, but also less secure.. )

They are different things..
For a netbook, like email, chat,web( a bit limited ), ssh, and such its ok, for more than that... its to forget sad

I mean, the concept, the Idea, is fine but the raw processing power is not there yet..
if they had choose the NXP LS2088A, I would consider it has a option( also 4GB of Ram is nothing nowadays.. ), even the rpi4 now has a option for 8GB of Ram..

This is my Opinion on how I see it( taking out of the equation the emotional part of it ) smile

#80 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-05 00:38:49

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

It is less powerful than the Pinebook Pro (which has a Coretex A72 for the heavy lifting) but five times the price...

Indeed smile
the rk3399 has 2x cortex-a72 in it, plus extra 4x cortex-a53,
it also has a dual core ARM cortex-m0 for power management, and stuff

But is a CPU limited to work between [ 0- 80 ] °C, and has less peripherals than what NXP usually add to its cpus..

The cpu that compares better to Rockchip rk3399, from NXP, is the iMX8QuadMax..

#81 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-03 20:47:35

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

but wouldn't it be as fast a thinkpad x230?

I doubt it, those A53 cores aren't very fast at all and the Coretex-M4F is only 32-bit. It would be much better if they used a Snapdragon 8cx but I suppose that would hit their profit margin too much.

* CPU: NXP/Freescale i.MX8MQ with 4x ARM Cortex-A53 cores (1.5 GHz), 1x Cortex-M4F core. CPU and RAM are on exchangeable SO-DIMM sized module.

Its a SOM, which means you can upgrade it later for a more powerful one smile
For example the iMX8QuadMax

But I don't know if there will be a iMX8QuadMax SOM later..

For me I would buy it in a flash if it had the NXP LS2088A or the monster NXP LX2160A

The ARM Cortex-M4F, is 32 bits without any problems,
Like the majority of Power Management Units are, this processor will manage the Power Management and other things, will run targeted code to manage something outside of the OS Domain..

It seems more powerful than the Pine64 PINEBOOK or the Olimex Teres I..
I would buy one if it comes to market, at half the price smile

#82 ARM Builds » [ ARMHF ] Asus C201 Chromebook, with Devuan Support. » 2020-08-29 22:05:00

tuxd3v
Replies: 0

Hello,
There are a project builder for Asus Chromebook, based on Libreboot + Devuan.
DEVSUS

For those who have this Chromebook, its a option smile

Best Regards,
tux

#83 Re: ARM Builds » Edev1 Devuan Builder » 2020-08-23 22:26:30

mark0x01 wrote:

I checked it out, but I only have a bunch of rpi3.
Happy to test them if you can add support for them.

Currently test running a rpi3 beowulf image I found after much searching, along with Home Assistant.

Mark.

Hello Mark,
yeah,
Unfortunately I don't have RPI versions{2,3,4}, only RPI1. sad
Also RPI foundation does its development in a "close" branch of their own, and not in mainline, which could bring some difficulties to integrate, but If I got a RPI4, maybe I will try smile

For RPi3,
I believe the ASCII Image is a solution..
Burning it to the sdcard, then apt-get upgrade, and after apt-get dist-upgrade

For RPI4,
There are already some images made by ShortTie, and others like C0rnelious, and also MetaYan..
ShortTie has a post of its builder HERE.

#84 Re: ARM Builds » Installer images for armel, armhf and ppc64 need testing » 2020-08-23 01:08:03

joril wrote:

...this does not update the kernel though, right?

hello joril,
yeah, the kernel is the same  you already have.

#85 Re: ARM Builds » Edev1 Devuan Builder » 2020-08-07 02:29:52

kuleszdl wrote:

Hi, I appreciate your effort but I doubt that building hardcoded kernels is the proper way to go. The "universal" Debian/Devuan kernel supports at least some of the mentioned boards quite well. Newer boards might run better with newer kernels from unstable.

I mean, if you want to provide such kernels you should build a repository where you package, test and update these kernels as well. Since this is probably too much effort, it might be better to simply use the packaged and SoC-optimized kernels from Armbian as they receive updates regularly.

Hello kuleszdl,
Thanks,

What do you mean by "hardcoded" Kernels( they are from Mainline Official Releases.. )?

The builder has the option to create deb packages smile
bindeb-pkg - Created only binary packages
deb-pkg      - Creates binary ones plus source packages..

it also creates rootfs and compile bootloaders..
Its not only  a package builder for kernels.. smile

Also Edev1, don't distribute kernels..
If you use it,
It will download a specific Mainline Source code Kernel assigned to a chosen board, and build a kernel for it, according with 'reference/.config/kernels/sbc_defconfig'

Ofcourse, armbian also provides images for a lot of boards,yes they have a lot of manpower comparatively, and it should be that they provide some changes that we don't have in advance..
A have been testing and updating the status of each board( it would be easier if it was done by a lot of guys, each one providing updates for a specific board, for example..the objective of the builder was exactly start something to be shared between our community smile ), for rpi1,OrangePi One Plus,Rockpro64,rockpi4,Olinuxino Lime 2..and others to be added,,

For other boards, some skeleton exists, but they are not complete as I don't have that hardware, I can't verify they are ok..so I am not adding anything to their skeleton description..but I am awaiting that someone that has those boards can contribute and complete their skeleton descriptions, kernel config's, etc..

With all that being said,
I already found several times that the work on this boards is on par, or even more updated than Armbian ones( I already noticed that several times.. ).
It really depends on the time frame, sometimes they update something new first..sometimes, I do it first.. smile

It happens with all projects some times you are on front, sometimes you are behind..
Right now, my focus is on OrangePi one Plus, as kernel 5.8 Released on, August 2, brings in new stuff smile

The Idea of Edev1,
Is to support boards that are not well supported, or its support is inexistent in Debian/Devuan..
Other Boards can also be added, but the principal objective is to support boards not yet supported by Devuan/Debian,
There are a lot of possibilities there..

Boards descriptions or "modules" are in 'reference/hw/boards' folder..

Edev1 doesn't distribute, kernels, bootloaders, compilers, and so on, it is only a automated builder for Devuan.. smile

#86 ARM Builds » Edev1 Devuan Builder » 2020-07-17 23:56:54

tuxd3v
Replies: 5

Hello all,

I am building a new builder for ARM/Mips( maybe amd64 too..PCEngines boards?, but some adjust still are needed.. ).
At the moment, there are only tested backend configs for rpi1,OrangePi One Plus,Rockpro64,rockpi4,Olinuxino Lime 2..

It is not Complete, so for now only this options work:

[F1] Install BootLoader CrossCompiler ToolChain .. 
[F2] Install Kernel     CrossCompiler ToolChain .. 
[F3] Build Devuan RootFS( Root Access needed ) 
[F4] Build Bootloader.. 
[F5] Build Linux Kernel, Modules, DTBS..

At the moment it can build:
Bootloaders( uboot ),
Trusted Firmware Execution Engines( ARM Trusted Firmware ),
Kernels Ofcourse( Based on kernel specific defconfig files that are in 'reference/.config/kernels/' ),
Devuan rootfs( 3 options.. basics, server, desktop, last one, still need some love.. sad  ),
Install Cross-compilers to build for specific board,

It will build always software based in which boards was first chosen, the same for the rest, like installing cross-compilers for current board selected....or bootloaders, or even decide to build extra software that is needed for that board( ARM trusted firmware is a example of that.. )

You can find it in: https://gitea.devuan.org/tuxd3v/edev1

Any Doubts about its usage, please drop me a line here.

I hope you enjoy it..

Best Regards,
tux

#87 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Kernel panic booting Dowse on a Raspberry pi 2 » 2020-07-14 22:50:59

To few information... sad

But probably the rootfs partition doesn't have '/sbin/init'..
That message is common when it doesn't exist..

By other words, you are probably using a incorrect rootfs has rootfs..
when it tries to run '/sbin/init', it doesn't find him, and panics..

Does you have a complete log of what happens? smile

Best Regards,
tux

#88 Re: ARM Builds » [Solved] Why no netinst ISO for arm? » 2020-06-20 21:01:50

I fear that we are deviating from the topic subject, which was 'netinst ISO for arm',
They exist, but for a small set( 32 sbc's )..
http://arm-files.devuan.org/README.txt
This kernels are packaged, and we have what Debian has, in this regard..

The subject about RPi4 can be seen here
There are experimental Images available by:
MetaYan
ShorTie
and by C0rnelius

So 3 different images for rpi4 smile

I believe all the 3 images are based in RaspBerry PI foundation kernels, so they are updated( by the RPi standards, because last stable mainline kernel is now 5.7 )..

Go ahead and test them smile
some would support 4GB Ram, some maybe 8GB Ram( ShorTie,C0rnelius, MetaYan? )

Debian started to do some RPi development, and they have some images( like Yeti stated above ), but none for RPi4, iirc..

Edit: What they start to have is a continuous integration system based in ARM Server class hardware..
https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20200616

Best Regards,
tux

#89 Re: ARM Builds » [Solved] Why no netinst ISO for arm? » 2020-06-19 18:06:14

Altoid wrote:

Hello:
There's only one (have I missed something?) image for RPi3 and it is from 2 years ago.
Would it be the same as an image of the last/latest Devuan ascii 2.1 old-stable?

Hello Altoid,
yep for rpi 3B+ its the only arm64 image, but you can dist-upgrade it to beowulf.. smile
besides one of the problems of RPi sbc's is that they are not mainlined.. and because of that, they are always behind..

Which means even if you are with the latest version, you are always behind( and still not mainline.. ) sad
For example, kernels >= 5.6 are a nice to have thing( since they have wireguard vpn kernel driver mainlined.. ).

You can't have that on RPi,
because the experimental version for RPi is now kernel 5.4( so you are always behind, weather you want it or not..   ), in contrast with other sbc's were you can have the latest kernels..

An example,
The Lime2 from Olimex which is a 5.7.0 Kernel( wireguard enabled.. ).
We are talking about a dual core Cortex-A7, which can now be seen as a old board, but because it has mainline kernels, you are always updated..

#90 Re: ARM Builds » [Solved] Why no netinst ISO for arm? » 2020-06-18 19:21:16

kuleszdl wrote:

I know about this installation type, but this is just not the same. With the ISO, I can boot the ARM installer directly in Qemu and install the system comfortably using the installer like I would do for x86.

About QEMU I don't know, but the netboot images you can boot them and install, comfortably using the installer,like in x86..

#91 Re: ARM Builds » [Solved] Why no netinst ISO for arm? » 2020-06-18 18:56:34

Camtaf wrote:
Altoid wrote:

Brigade?
Not that I know much about this, but from what I have read, a brigade is composed of ~3 batallions and this could be from 2000 to 8000 troops.

lol There's probably a million or two RPi users out there, but without an image to just dd to an SDHC card, I doubt that you will get much interest from them...... smile

there are 1 image for armel beowulf, and several for ascii for rpi's..

Lately there are 3 community images for rpi4, that you can just dd to a sdcard smile

#92 Re: ARM Builds » [Solved] Why no netinst ISO for arm? » 2020-06-17 23:44:20

kuleszdl wrote:

Hi,

unlike Debian, Devuan does not provide installer ISOs for architectures other than x86/x86_64. Is this intentional? Being able to install e.g. arm64 from ISO in a VM would be a huge plus for me.

Hi kuleszdl,
Devuan provides netboot install images for several sbc's. smile

Read the README.txt,
http://arm-files.devuan.org/README.txt

Best Regards,
tux

#93 Re: ARM Builds » Installer images for armel, armhf and ppc64 need testing » 2020-06-06 07:17:06

joril wrote:

Hi everyone!

I'm trying to install Beowulf on a Raspberry Pi 3 B+, I've tried the arm64 mini.iso (copied it to my SD via dd) but it doesn't boot, the raspberry LED stays red. Am I missing something?

Thanks for your assistance!

Hello Joril,
I don't know if there are a more recent Image than the one by parazyd, for rpi3, Here,
But its a ascii image, which means you have to apt-get dist-upgrade it, so that you will be in beowulf..

You can also do it in 2 steps, like:

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade

and then,

apt-get clean
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade

please tell us, if you succeed..

Best Regards,
tux

#94 Re: ARM Builds » Devuan installer can't start on MX53 Loco (i.MX53 Quick Start board) » 2020-05-31 20:03:24

hello vazhnov,
For what I see it seems that you had done it correctly,
But the hd-media type expects a different image type( with the contents of installation.. ) sad

I advise you to go with the netboot-install version,
Since the media image comes from the repos, and its usually the method less prone to errors..

I believe you have followed this instructions: http://arm-files.devuan.org/README.txt
when dd'íng the image use a 'conv=sync'..

In that url, you will find Installable netboot Images, go to the correct place, and download the correct ones for you..
http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/dists/beow … ard-images smile

#95 Re: ARM Builds » Raspberry Pi 2 Model B does not boot » 2020-05-21 17:01:54

hello mmaglis,
this image is known to work with your Raspberry Pi version( RPI 2B )
http://arm-files.devuan.org/devuan_beow … 0.3.img.xz

user     :password

devuan:devuan
root      :toor

You just need to add a udev rule, so that the ethernet interface don't get named to a strange name..

cat - <<EOF >> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules 
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="yours_maccaddress", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
EOF

Substitute 'yours_maccaddress' with your macaddress..
You cave 3 forms to get it..
boot with that image, attache a display, and a keyboard, and do a ifconfig
or
boot with another image and do a 'ifconfig', and its there,
Or
Use a usb-serial cable attached to the ttyAMA0 uart, and power up the pi and see what comes in the uart smile

#96 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [NEW]-FluXuan Linux-[RELEASE] » 2020-05-21 02:20:10

Hello,
It seems the nice fit for a arm desktop version,
In the meantime,
Downloading for my i686 machine smile

Congratz & thanks for this amazing work!

#97 Re: ARM Builds » [ ARMHF ] build for Olimex OlinuXino Lime2 » 2020-05-20 04:33:56

The '/etc/update-motd.d/20-monitor', for OLime2
This piece of the puzzle was still missing smile
Yeah UPS Monitoring working..

~# ls -l /etc/update-motd.d/20-monitor
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 May 21 14:37 /etc/update-motd.d/20-monitor -> /usr/local/bin/monitor
~# which monitor
/usr/local/bin/monitor

Discharging:
monitor.png
Charging:
monitor1.png
Full:
monitor2.png
Battery Disconnected:
monitor3.png

#98 Re: ARM Builds » Is any work planned for devuan on the raspberry pi 4? » 2020-05-19 04:16:05

pAul wrote:

wanted to test your image, however the upload is corrupt, and is only 107B

Hello pAul,
You forgot about the intructions for download smile

(Remove .sha at the end for the actual image. Home server, so be kind...)

You need to copy the link, paste it and remove '.sha' from the name, before continue to download.. smile
or get it here( I removed the '.sha' )

That image is by MetaYan, you can also find him in the irc chanel #devuan-arm

Best Regards,
tux

#99 Re: ARM Builds » [Solved] Devuan and Raspberry Pi 3B+ hardware » 2020-05-17 06:28:11

Hello,
modules can be loaded in: /etc/modules

then you can pass some information for a module via sysfs in /etc/rc.local or other place, if you find appropriate in a daemon.. smile
well they are just creating a layer above another layer of complexity, and then mixing in another mammoth atop( systemd )

And they thing its the greatest thing in the universe..
its that and flying Unicorns big_smile

#100 Re: ARM Builds » Devuan v9 for ARMv7 AllWinner - generic Libre kernel v5.3.1 » 2020-05-17 06:18:48

bimon wrote:

Can anyone please suggest a good small and light boot loader to choose a kernel like GRUB on X86?

You can use extlinux, its small, and you only need its config in place:
/boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf

Uboot will pick him

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