Thanks for this. Runit service implementation in Debian-based distros is still severely lacking compared to other distros such as Void or Artix. Devuan's implementation simply adds a coat of paint over the already existing SysVinit services.

That was the same experience I had with regards to the Medibuntu version, except using Daedalus (only had to chase down one obscure dependency). It's also using GTK2, whereas I can see that this reupload (which I did catch earlier, Exponentialmatrix, thank you) is now using GTK3.

Just as I'm sure Gentoo's forum community would get sick and tired of hearing about Debian or Devuan being recommended over the distro they're platformed on, so I am in agreement there. Post #15 has no place on the official Devuan support forum.

Why they are drinking the Wayland Kool-Aid is beyond me. Wayland has been in development for nearly two decades, yet it still can't do a couple of really essential things that X11 had already been doing since the 1990s.

Xfce went downhill after 4.12. It's no longer "lightweight" or "fast". They should've combined forces with MATE devs to fork and maintain GTK2, instead of just sucking up to GN*ME. Just watch, it's going to get worse as GTK3 gets phased out for GTK4, which will obliterate what few "options" users had then.

Well, it's a shame that GTK2 wasn't forked before MATE made the full switch over to GTK3. It's the only workable GUI toolkit in my experience, as I find modern forms of GTK and Qt too restrictive and bloated. I had to mix older Devuan and Debian (pre-Systemd infection) repositories to get the preferred versions of software that I needed. My systems all only have very, very few programs depending on GTK3 (no GTK4 at all) and Qt5 (no Qt6 at all).

I really wanted to like TDE, but it's a bit wonky to set up, and the hard dependency on Konqueror (a shitty file manager and an even shittier Web browser in one) is a major turnoff. If and when I am "forced" to stop using older Xfce for the sake of shiny new shit, and I'd depend on a DE, I would just fuck with LXQt and do whatever it takes to keep as little GN*ME or GTK+ as possible.

Sorry, but playing with CSS files is not at all congruent with making Devuan a usable OS -- any more so than what Greenjeans has already provided to the community out of his own kind efforts.

Three years ago, we had a user who put in the effort to help Devuan by creating a DVD set production script and a survey of user-made content. There was a lot of potential to help the project out in both cases, but of course, he was bullied and driven away by a few people in position of power over a non-issue (source). Not long after, one of the staff members unilaterally removed the quote-to-reply functionality without consulting the active userbase first, just because of said non-issue that bothered said staff member.

Had said incident not happened, he would have likely contributed directly to the releases of Daedalus and now Excalibur, as well as the next testing version Freia. Instead of throwing all this bureaucratic crap on regular users offering to volunteer in SOME form, maybe consider that they (we) are the ones who keep Devuan's wheels spinning, and without these users, Devuan loses users to another distro like Artix or even Gentoo.

You can also use EasyRPG Player to play those games natively.

Can't recommend OpenNTPD enough. It also works really well with Runit.

Zero issues with any time synchronization here.

This idea has been suggested many, many times in the past (in different incarnations) -- and the responses are the same as ever: put in the effort yourself or nothing will happen.

The focus of Devuan is removing Systemd and replacing its bits and pieces with Elogind, ConsoleKit2, Seatd, etc. where unavoidable. With Debian furthering the enshittification -- and now with Excalibur's release basing on Trixie -- those aforementioned bits and pieces are much harder to avoid now. That's where our collective efforts should be: to keep Systemd and other "fix what isn't broken" mechanisms at bay.

There are countless distros that are more newbie-focused that you could use, or else use a Devuan respin that meets your needs. You could always just install ExtRepo if you need third-party repositories for whatever reason. AppImages also work without affecting your system.

I don't see why we need a further stirring of the pot.

I don't know if FluxBB has the ability to set posts made in any forum section to not count towards your overall post count. If that were the case, then the user might be convinced that their post was "deleted" (i.e. the count went down), but the moderator actually just moved it to an inaccessible section that doesn't add to that metric.

You could simply pin or hold the version of SpaceFM that you installed from Daedalus, which is still GTK2. As it hasn't had any upstream changes since early 2018, it's safe to say the package hasn't implemented any new features or critical bug fixes over time. The last significant thing I remember being that the thumbnail issue was fixed. You could just wait a short while when launching it or disable thumbnails altogether. It's still way faster than Thunar.

Also, the last version of Claws Mail that you can build with GTK2 is the 3.x.x series. The last Debian build of it in that is 3.18.0-1. As of 4.x.x, you must use GTK3 or newer. It will complain if your version of GTK is "outdated".