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#676 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Daedalus Nvidia-Xorg logout black screen » 2023-08-26 06:56:18

Great. I don't really know what that optional VTBOUND-edness of seatd means, but maybe my intuitive understanding has some foundation.

If you would find it within your comfort zone, you could submit a "bug report" to the Debian packager(s) and  make a case that the setting should be the default for the system-wide seatd service. (it's package seatd, version 0.7.0-6). They may well be able to explain the current default, although I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't delved into it at all.

The technical underpinning is that seatd and Xorg come into conflict about the VT management, and in particular that Xorg fails to react properly to VT switching events. Instead it locks up the display. With setting of 0, seatd skips the VT management, which makes Xorg a happy camper.

#677 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Daedalus Nvidia-Xorg logout black screen » 2023-08-26 02:18:02

@simon_a, try with adding the following to /etc/default/seatd

export SEATD_VTBOUND=0

and then restart the service, which may well upset Xorg, but any goodness it might possibly bring doesn't take effect until its next start. A full reboot would also work.

#678 Re: Other Issues » Lazarus package broken? » 2023-08-25 13:54:37

You can check all available versions (wrt your sources.list) of a package P with

apt-cache policy P

That tells if there are any associated security updates.

You can also review package P (wrt to a larger sources.list) at https://pkginfo.devuan.org/P.

#679 Re: Other Issues » Lazarus package broken? » 2023-08-25 12:44:11

Have you done

apt-get update

.. or whatever the corresponding button presses are on the gui tool?

Have you done

apt-get upgrade

.. or whatever the corresponding button presses are on the gui tool?

Have you done

apt-get dist-upgrade

  .. or whatever the corresponding button presses are on the gui tool?

Thoe are the three steps to follow after having changed sources.list.

#680 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No boot device. Press any key to reboot machine » 2023-08-25 12:31:04

@Charon795, which ISO file did you download? Does it have a filename?

#682 Re: Forum Feedback » Let's make this forum multilingual! (Calling for language authors) » 2023-08-25 03:25:18

That should be possible.. I'll need to figure out how it was set up though; looks easy at a glance.
The main project would be "devuan/forum-lang" so you would work from that.

I see there is a German/forum-lang as well but I'm not sure what that is (possibly my memory is weak).

#683 Re: Installation » Looking for server cd desktop environment installation guide » 2023-08-24 01:37:05

All the installer ISO have the same installer software and they only differ in which collections of packages they come with; the so called package pool. They work by installing that which you select, and then those selections expands by having dependencies. If you install with network mirror backing, they will all link up with the Devuan repository and they will all have all packages available.

The leanest system you can get from them is their base system where you opt for not installing anything else. That gives you a Linux operating system without all things you may expect, and in particular without graphical desktop environment. That's generally known as a "server system" although even a functional server would typically include some additional services such as perhaps ssh and web service.

The cinnamon desktop is generally understood to be "defined" by the task-cinnamon-desktop package, which is a content free-package that only depends on the collection detail packages that would make up a "cinnamon desktop". The "desktop" ISO contains all those packages, as do the collective of server+cd2+cd3+cd4 ISOs (both having also other packages that are outside of the task-cinnamon-desktop collection).

At a more general level, Devuan (like Debian) is like a warehouse of packages rather than an end-user "distribution", and it's up to the end-user to choose which subset of packages they will want to use. The installer offers some pre-packaged choices of end-user-like desktop collections, but that is supposed to be for convenience; in particular someone new to it may otherwise struggle a fair bit to pull together their best convenience package collection.

#684 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-23 23:26:43

git.devuan.org is a "git store" just like github but owned by Devuan and not Microsoft.

The hands-on would be, after registration, to clone (aka fork) the project concerned, add into your clone and then issue a merge request for the main project developers to review and include it.

#685 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-23 03:28:32

Nah. If you want to spout that shit you'll have to go elsewhere.

#686 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Daedalus, seatd, can’t have multiple X sessions » 2023-08-22 23:34:50

Yes, https://git.devuan.org/devuan/xorg-server is where it happens. The review process of a fix is in full swing so you may hold your breath. well, maybe not... breath easy, but expect there's something coming soon.

#687 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Theme request » 2023-08-20 22:33:51

@Gregors, if you make a theme and email to me I can probably stuff it in as an option.

#688 Re: Installation » Daedalus EFI mode does not start on 990FX system » 2023-08-20 22:25:50

Are you able to try with the ISO on a stick by itself?

#689 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Daedalus, seatd, can’t have multiple X sessions » 2023-08-19 15:08:58

I'm not sure there is a bug report, but that particular issue of having multiple Xorg (in different VT) with seatd, is currently being worked on, and I believe an update is coming fairly soon.

#690 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 11:48:30

yes it might be slower than some.. but to see an image on your screen of course requires it to be downloaded to your machine, whether or not you know to where on your machine it ends up. (and using "display $url" [from imagemagick] gives you that same vacuous experience all without ads and other junk).

Good idea though; perhaps devuan can find someone to set up and maintain it on the infrastructure.

re catbox; I don't use github since it became a microsoft site.

#691 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Where do the packages go... when support runs out? » 2023-08-19 09:19:06

yes, ascii has been moved. You should update your sources list to these

deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii main
deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main
deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-proposed-updates main 
deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main

(add contrib and non-free as desired)

#693 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 03:23:29

@m1k3: slightly off topic, but I think you'd enjoy learning https://transfer.sh

#694 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-18 05:27:20

Perhaps you can show the non-working qemu command line here.

#695 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-18 03:11:25

@fsmithred: is it possible for you to convert the iso into a vdi format, then attach that as second disk

That should be booraable with legacy bios.. using the isolinux mastering of its mbr, or possibly by finding the second partition's legacy equipment (via chain loading).

#696 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] VLC not working with [AMD/ATI] RS780L [Radeon 3000] - a Fix » 2023-08-17 23:58:30

If you upgrade you should read "upgrade instructions".

The kernel does not install anything when it starts.

Probably you can reconfirm the distribution installation with

apt-get dist-upgrade

but it is up to you to decide whether that is the right thing for you to do. As always you /take responsibility for anything you do.

#697 Re: Installation » Daedalus upgrade corrupts » 2023-08-17 23:47:49

@marma-lade, the next time you upgrade from 4.0 to 5.0, remember to add the new section named non-free-firmware which was added in Debian for some reason, and thus is added the same in Devuan.

That section is in addition to the "old" non-free in Devuan 5.0 and probably onwards; it doesn't exist for versions 4.0 and newer. It is a new repository section that appears to contain all firmware that previously were in non-free.

If you don't add that section, your upgraded system will not be able to find and install required firmware.

https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … o-daedalus

#698 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-17 23:30:51

Yes afaik the UEFI emulation does not handle boot from cdrom.

If you install the ISO as a second disk or a USB memory stick, then eg qemu with UEFI emoulation works (provided that the backing file, i.e. the ISO, is writable).

Has been like that since yonks.

#699 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] VLC not working with [AMD/ATI] RS780L [Radeon 3000] - a Fix » 2023-08-17 12:07:56

When configuring for upgrade, did you include the new section non-free-firmware (whihc is in addition to non-free) ?

#700 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-17 11:41:46

Perhaps you can point me at a small ISO that works, to explore. There may well be something to improve in Devuan's iso preparation.

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