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#576 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-09-03 23:23:11

Yes, the bootloading doesn't work via cdrom drive for UEFI bios.

It (generally) works via disk drive for UEFI bios, e.g. with the media on a USB stick.

#577 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-09-03 01:58:48

Well, the particular issue with the attempt of using the daedalus installer as cdrom on UEFI appears to be that the boot loader syslinux64.efi (duly named BOOTX64.EFI) has some difficulty with that use case.

Using the same ISO as disk image on UEFI runs the same program without error.

Note that the chimaera ISOs (as well as the debian ISO) use grub rather than syslinux for UEFI boot, and apparently the grub boot loader lacks that sensitivity to that use case difference (i.e. whether the media is presented via a cdrom drive or a disk drive).

Perhaps it's simply that the boot loader gets mislead by the difference in sector size (where a cdrom has 2k sectors and a disk has 0.5k sectors). Unfortunately there are layers upon layers of compiled software involved so it's far from trivial to investigate these details. OTOH it's FOSS, so it just takes a bit of interest and skill to drill down into the particulars to determine the technical cause, and possibly correct it.

And there are of course other ways to achieve the goal of a "cdrom on UEFI" installer...

#578 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-30 14:29:10

When there are people to fix it, it might be fixed.

#579 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-30 14:11:58

The "EFI PART" text is not a partition but the beginning of the GUID Partition Table (GPT), which it has in addition to the MBR partition table.

Both ISO sports 2 partitions, which you can read out from the MBR table (at 0x1c0-0x1ff).

The first partition is typed 0x00 (Empty) and it's defined to span the whole ISO from sector 0. The second partition is typed 0xef (EFI) and it's defined to span a block sequence within the ISO corresponding to the included FAT image.

The Debian ISO has both an MBR partition table and a GPT whereas the Devuan ISO only has an MBR. Presumably it's the lack of GPT that makes the Devuan ISO non-bootable for your UEFI use case.

It's good you had an alternative method for installation.

#580 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Daedalus Nvidia-Xorg logout black screen » 2023-08-26 06:56:18

Great. I don't really know what that optional VTBOUND-edness of seatd means, but maybe my intuitive understanding has some foundation.

If you would find it within your comfort zone, you could submit a "bug report" to the Debian packager(s) and  make a case that the setting should be the default for the system-wide seatd service. (it's package seatd, version 0.7.0-6). They may well be able to explain the current default, although I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't delved into it at all.

The technical underpinning is that seatd and Xorg come into conflict about the VT management, and in particular that Xorg fails to react properly to VT switching events. Instead it locks up the display. With setting of 0, seatd skips the VT management, which makes Xorg a happy camper.

#581 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Daedalus Nvidia-Xorg logout black screen » 2023-08-26 02:18:02

@simon_a, try with adding the following to /etc/default/seatd

export SEATD_VTBOUND=0

and then restart the service, which may well upset Xorg, but any goodness it might possibly bring doesn't take effect until its next start. A full reboot would also work.

#582 Re: Other Issues » Lazarus package broken? » 2023-08-25 13:54:37

You can check all available versions (wrt your sources.list) of a package P with

apt-cache policy P

That tells if there are any associated security updates.

You can also review package P (wrt to a larger sources.list) at https://pkginfo.devuan.org/P.

#583 Re: Other Issues » Lazarus package broken? » 2023-08-25 12:44:11

Have you done

apt-get update

.. or whatever the corresponding button presses are on the gui tool?

Have you done

apt-get upgrade

.. or whatever the corresponding button presses are on the gui tool?

Have you done

apt-get dist-upgrade

  .. or whatever the corresponding button presses are on the gui tool?

Thoe are the three steps to follow after having changed sources.list.

#584 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No boot device. Press any key to reboot machine » 2023-08-25 12:31:04

@Charon795, which ISO file did you download? Does it have a filename?

#586 Re: Forum Feedback » Let's make this forum multilingual! (Calling for language authors) » 2023-08-25 03:25:18

That should be possible.. I'll need to figure out how it was set up though; looks easy at a glance.
The main project would be "devuan/forum-lang" so you would work from that.

I see there is a German/forum-lang as well but I'm not sure what that is (possibly my memory is weak).

#587 Re: Installation » Looking for server cd desktop environment installation guide » 2023-08-24 01:37:05

All the installer ISO have the same installer software and they only differ in which collections of packages they come with; the so called package pool. They work by installing that which you select, and then those selections expands by having dependencies. If you install with network mirror backing, they will all link up with the Devuan repository and they will all have all packages available.

The leanest system you can get from them is their base system where you opt for not installing anything else. That gives you a Linux operating system without all things you may expect, and in particular without graphical desktop environment. That's generally known as a "server system" although even a functional server would typically include some additional services such as perhaps ssh and web service.

The cinnamon desktop is generally understood to be "defined" by the task-cinnamon-desktop package, which is a content free-package that only depends on the collection detail packages that would make up a "cinnamon desktop". The "desktop" ISO contains all those packages, as do the collective of server+cd2+cd3+cd4 ISOs (both having also other packages that are outside of the task-cinnamon-desktop collection).

At a more general level, Devuan (like Debian) is like a warehouse of packages rather than an end-user "distribution", and it's up to the end-user to choose which subset of packages they will want to use. The installer offers some pre-packaged choices of end-user-like desktop collections, but that is supposed to be for convenience; in particular someone new to it may otherwise struggle a fair bit to pull together their best convenience package collection.

#588 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-23 23:26:43

git.devuan.org is a "git store" just like github but owned by Devuan and not Microsoft.

The hands-on would be, after registration, to clone (aka fork) the project concerned, add into your clone and then issue a merge request for the main project developers to review and include it.

#589 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-23 03:28:32

Nah. If you want to spout that shit you'll have to go elsewhere.

#590 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Daedalus, seatd, can’t have multiple X sessions » 2023-08-22 23:34:50

Yes, https://git.devuan.org/devuan/xorg-server is where it happens. The review process of a fix is in full swing so you may hold your breath. well, maybe not... breath easy, but expect there's something coming soon.

#591 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Theme request » 2023-08-20 22:33:51

@Gregors, if you make a theme and email to me I can probably stuff it in as an option.

#592 Re: Installation » Daedalus EFI mode does not start on 990FX system » 2023-08-20 22:25:50

Are you able to try with the ISO on a stick by itself?

#593 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Daedalus, seatd, can’t have multiple X sessions » 2023-08-19 15:08:58

I'm not sure there is a bug report, but that particular issue of having multiple Xorg (in different VT) with seatd, is currently being worked on, and I believe an update is coming fairly soon.

#594 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 11:48:30

yes it might be slower than some.. but to see an image on your screen of course requires it to be downloaded to your machine, whether or not you know to where on your machine it ends up. (and using "display $url" [from imagemagick] gives you that same vacuous experience all without ads and other junk).

Good idea though; perhaps devuan can find someone to set up and maintain it on the infrastructure.

re catbox; I don't use github since it became a microsoft site.

#595 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Where do the packages go... when support runs out? » 2023-08-19 09:19:06

yes, ascii has been moved. You should update your sources list to these

deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii main
deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main
deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-proposed-updates main 
deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main

(add contrib and non-free as desired)

#597 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 03:23:29

@m1k3: slightly off topic, but I think you'd enjoy learning https://transfer.sh

#598 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-18 05:27:20

Perhaps you can show the non-working qemu command line here.

#599 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-18 03:11:25

@fsmithred: is it possible for you to convert the iso into a vdi format, then attach that as second disk

That should be booraable with legacy bios.. using the isolinux mastering of its mbr, or possibly by finding the second partition's legacy equipment (via chain loading).

#600 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] VLC not working with [AMD/ATI] RS780L [Radeon 3000] - a Fix » 2023-08-17 23:58:30

If you upgrade you should read "upgrade instructions".

The kernel does not install anything when it starts.

Probably you can reconfirm the distribution installation with

apt-get dist-upgrade

but it is up to you to decide whether that is the right thing for you to do. As always you /take responsibility for anything you do.

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