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In ceres now 21 packages have native runit integration
the keyword is "Ceres" ![]()
I've an impression that openrc scripts are simplier than runit scripts (I don't have experience with runit). One more advantage of openrc is that pipewire can be launched as user services and audio switchs automatically when hardware is changed.
Is it possible to install OpenRC on Devuan and use it for init?
Devuan only supports SysVinit, and OpenRC is considered a fake init in this context, similar to runit (frankeninits). This means that even if I choose OpenRC during installation, the boot process will still be managed by SysVinit.
I've tried to create a pure OpenRC Devuan system but did not succeed. I added init=/usr/sbin/openrc-init to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in grub. The system starts and shows:
```
Setting up keyboard layout...done.
Starting swap...done.
Starting early crypto files...nvme01p5 crypt (running)...done.
Checking remaining crypto files...32/131072 files, 53216/54288 blocks
crypt file systems: fsck.fat 4.2 (2021-01-31)
boot:/dev/block/33:212 files, 6948/13682 clusters
done.
Cleaning up temporary crypto files...
Activating local filesystem swaps...if any...done.
Cleaning up temporary Swap, if any...done.
Starting up ArmorLoading applications profiles...done.
Starting Setting kernel variables: systl...done.
Configuring network interfaces...done.
Cleaning up temporary firewall rules...done.
Starting netfilter boot and shadow times into wtmpdb:
ntpd-update-boot.nb
Starting system message bus: dbus.
Starting default runtime cron daemon: elogind.
Starting anacron (hypothetical) service.
Starting rc-modules: bluetooth, network manager.
Starting console command scheduler: crond.
Starting network connection manager: NetworkManager.
```Then it gets stuck.
/etc/runlevels/boot is empty. I've tried to fill it with symlinks, but that did not help.
Devuan is my main OS. There is also MX inux as second or fallback OS.
My addiitonal laptop for mobility is not doing well with old software, so I've to use Artix. Artix is almost great but it's not consistent. I mean you can get new kernel wich is not fully compatible with firmware during update, or DE can be updated and then I've inconsistency between it and something else.
As conclusion I've to say that arch based systemd free distributions can be the best fom the best if they take care of consistency. Until that moment #that will never happen#
Devuan is the best.
If so minimal differences why standalone distro for that?
In those old days ... Peppermintos was quick, polished and advanced.
Now the differences are minimal, one can play with debian, devuan, antix, mx, peppermint etc by adding repos, mixing packages etc and get something similar.
Voidlinux & artixlinux both fit that bill.
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Can't say much about Void (it's probably better while being limited in terms of software) but Artix is definitely less stable than Ceres.
nodejs (packaged by debian and available in devuan) just works.
worse than deno from security point of view.
im not sure about security of any JS framework to bundled alongside yt-dlp, that will need to be researched.
exactly
https://www.ndss-symposium.org/wp-conte … -paper.pdf
to use only when necessary
No password manager
No passwords or any credentials stored in browser
No untrusted applications
No systemd
No nvidia, broadcom
No Intel ME (when possible)
Yes:
FDE
firewall
application level firewall
blocklisting
sandboxing
virtualization
immutability (overlayfs on top of tmpfs)
tor
absolute minimum to sleep better at night in 2026 ![]()
Which is why I do not use passord managers.
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Wayland: KDE, Gnome = full support, Cinnamon = experimental, xfce, bugdie = work in progress, mate - no
FYI, refractainstaller had FDE before debian-installer did.
I suppose the keyword is "had" no "has". Now the only way to get FDE with refracta-installer is to chroot and to repair. Yes, it HAD, I've used it those times, but it's over.
Any lightweight Debian distro, e.g. https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lilidog and migration https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … libur.html
It is as easy as this.
Or generously shared config for WM from this forum https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5742
Or just https://antixlinux.com/ which can be aslo switched to use Devuan's package base.
Plenty of options.
My argument is (and always has been) that refracta-installer needs a consistent UI
refracta-installer is half-garbage. No correct FDE support in 2026, seriously?! UI is not a problem here.
2012 actually, don't hate, how many SSD's last 14 years?
I've one from 2013, still in use. It has all chances to live more than 14 years. This old laptop had 7200 Rpm HD but it was too slow ![]()
My other machine has 2 slots for HDs, so I use 1 SSD for root, for VMs and model to start them quickly and 1 HD for downloads and data storage.
21 days later, ntp is not started yet
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It can be a pleasure to apt-get purge systemd
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The skepticism toward AI today parallels the Soviet-era rejection of cybernetics.
It's possible that it was just propaganda to make West to believe in it.
They were first or among first in AI. The soviet AI called Pankrat and some soviet ideas probably got their second birth in Deepseek.
I see all you need is to drop promotions for your "best" thing for no reason, just because you like to promote.
This thread had nothing to do with i/o schedulers, nobody asked which one is the best.
When told out of left-field that something is "The best" (without an "in my opinion"), asking for some proof isn't unreasonable.
You don`t want to get the idea:
I share here some of my foundings that are good, interesting or better than default. You can just note that is not for you.
I`M NOT A SELLER. You can use it or not, read the docs or not, test or not, I don`t care.
steve_v, I see all you need is to discuss for no reason, just because you like to discuss.
ADIOS is just Adaptive Deadline I/O Scheduler. It means that it`s scheduler, just another (better) scheduler. Not default linux scheduler but new better one. It is designed to optimize I/O operations in Linux by providing low latency through adaptive latency control and dynamic deadline adjustments based on past performance. It also effectively prioritizes requests and groups.
You are not forced to use it, OK?
I share here some of my foundings that are good, interesting or better than default. You can just note that is not for you.
USB automount is risky
steve_v ...not at all but I`m too lazy to discuss
which is much easier with a type-2 hypervisor like VB
VB on KVM is still VB and nothing else. It uses VB guest additions, not virtio and Co, etc.
Multiple options are good.
There are only 3. (without XEN which is not linux but rather xenux, without bosch etc). The third one is bought by corporation worth than Oracle or similar and closed source. The second one can be used simultaneously with the first one when it use hypervisor from the first one (KVM) = take the best from 2 worlds.
This is exactly what I`ve wrote already.
P.S. As always, everybody is free to use whatever s/he likes and everybody is free to give an advise based on h.. own experience.
Benchmark numbers or it didn't happen.
You can do it on your own.
I got the effect.
Yes, the best. There are no concurrents ![]()
I like it, you can ignore it. It works. No overhead, just better I/O processing.
1. The best ssd accelerator for Linux:
https://github.com/firelzrd/adios
2.
encrypted install
If it's not AES then it's too slow.
Has anybody tried the Calamares installer?
Yes, I often install Debian than convert it to Devuan. The installer is GUI clean and works. Also Debian is 100% supported by ventoy.