Just use Fluxbox.....

Yes.

Most problems seem to come from some program or other, so upgrading installed programs is mainly what I do - I'm just a 'desktop user''.

P.S. By the way, I use apt-get, always have, but there's no difference.

Since I last posted in this thread, (a year ago), all my machines are running Devuan, mainly brought on by having it available for my RPi4B/400/3B+/3A+ which I really appreciate.

My regular distro was #! (Crunchbang) for many years, (before systemd existed), & on its demise I transferred to AntiX, using the Base version.

I tried Devuan a couple of times in the mean time, but always returned to AntiX.

I've also used OpenBSD as a fairly regular system on a couple of boxes, because I liked its low footprint - recently I tried NomadBSD, (based on FreeBSD), it runs live, & can be installed - so I did, to all but one of my computers, but felt that the USB transfer speed was just too slow, it only lasted just over a week!

......& so here I am with Devuan on all my machines - desktops, laptops, chromebook, & SBCs.

So that brings me up to date.

The images that I downloaded from the Devuan site worked OK, just had to enter my wifi details into supplicant.conf - rebooted & wifi came up OK.

(Both on the RPi4 & RPi3 images.)

F4 or F6 maybe(?).

Or pavucontrol(?). (Input Devices)

The reason most people use MS Windows is because it comes pre loaded onto their computer when bought.

Computers should all come with a choice of operating systems - not be 'locked in' to one company's software.

I buy mine without an O/S installed, even pre used ones, & therefore, have the choice of which system gets installed.

You should be using 'Desktop Live' then, not 'Netinstall'.

It is quicker & easier to get a system up & running with the 'Desktop Live' version.

What do you call a 'full' version?

To me, that would be 'Desktop Live'.

But if you want commandline, then choose 'Minimal Live'.

'Netinstall' is just the very basics to allow you to download (via ethernet cable) what you want from the internet when installing a new O/S.

Installer ISO - 'Desktop' is a DVD sized installation media (run it from disc or pendrive) useful if you don't have internet connection handy when installing.

'Desktop Live' is the easiest way to install a ready made system onto your computer.

'Minimal Live' is a full command line distro.

https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/README.txt

I've used JWM, & yes, it is a good WM, (I have my sister using it ), but I like a clean desktop, & I get that from Fluxbox normally, I generally use a right click menu, I don't need a task bar, but it is only a thin one.

I've seen a test somewhere that compares most of the WMs, & there is only a few MBs difference between them, JWM, Fluxbox, & IceWM being at the low end, are fairly close in using resources.

XFCE has obviously looked into reducing its footprint somewhere along the way, as I can run Firefox on XFCE & only use somewhere just north of 600MB, which leaves me plenty to have a couple of tabs open - I very seldom use more at any one time.

Installed & started out using just CLI, including Links2, with mc & mpg123, but just had to add Fluxbox & Firefox-esr......

Great little starter distro/version, likely I'll be dumping RaspiOS from my Pis soon, (as it seems to be somewhat bloated - & of course, has that systemd mess).

Many thanks for your work, (I got my download from Devuan.org this time).

Depending on how you installed Devuan, do you have the following installed?

bluetooth 5.50-1.2~deb10u1
bluez 5.50-1.2~deb10u1
libbluetooth3:amd64 5.50-1.2~deb10u1

(No idea what to do with them without reading up on them, but they came installed on my 'live' install.)