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#401 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-07 08:19:17

was it pico that was the father of nano?

#402 Hardware & System Configuration » Bleeding edge Devuan + Linux 4.12 » 2017-08-07 08:11:29

fungus
Replies: 0

On another system I had mouse freezing up with 4.13 so I will not go that far yet.
4.12 seems at the moment to be running fine.

Am I pushing it for a break?  I think it still has some tuning and fixing to go.

https://pasteboard.co/GEwcZx1.png

$ neofetch
   ..,,;;;::;,..                   dev1@GX755
           `':ddd;:,.              ----------
                 `'dPPd:,.         OS: Devuan GNU/Linux unstable (ceres) x86_64
                     `:b$$b`.      Model: OptiPlex 755
                        'P$$$d`    Kernel: 4.12.0-trunk-amd64
                         .$$$$$`   Uptime: 22 mins
                         ;$$$$$P   Packages: 1598
                      .:P$$$$$$`   Shell: bash 4.4.12
                  .,:b$$$$$$$;'    Resolution: 1920x1080
             .,:dP$$$$$$$$b:'      DE: LXDE
      .,:;db$$$$$$$$$$Pd'`         WM: Openbox
,db$$$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`             WM Theme: Onyx-Citrus
:$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`                  Theme: Mist [GTK2/3]
`$$$$$bd:''`                      Icons: Mate [GTK2/3]
   `'''`                           Terminal: lxterminal
                                   CPU: Intel 2 Duo E6550 (2) @ 2.333GHz
                                   GPU: Intel Q35
                                   GPU: Intel Q35
                                   Memory: 263MiB / 3813MiB

#403 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Where are the refracta scripts? » 2017-08-06 21:52:12

I think miyo deserves to become the official Devuan-Openbox installation image.
But why has the obmenu-generator vanished from upstream (ascii-ceres-didn't check on experimental)?
Is it because a newer version has dependencies that are no longer there?
It is an essential part of vuu-do/miyo which gets messed up in ascii/ceres

#404 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-06 21:43:40

It sounds usefull.  It is actually more fun than running macro replacements on leafpad smile

Hey, by the way, would you happen to know what makes pcmanfm display the partitions of mountable media on the left column?
I have been going nuts with it, thought it was udisks2 or something related, by it is not related.

#405 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-06 16:20:15

I really enjoy MiyoLinux but I had to hack a bit.
It is amazing how small the image is and how much it has packed in there.  I have seen images with 2wice the size which I spend an hour throwing stuff away and installing what I really need.  RAM in openbox is unreal (Devuan and Miyo deserve credit).  JWM which I was unaware of till recently has nothing compared to the functionality of Miyo and Vuu-do too.
In terms of functionality the only thing missing was ralink-firmware which I needed to go online with my wifi.  Not knowing what is missing I copied the whole firmware folder from Devuan to Miyo, and POP it came on.  It seems that it existed in Vuu-Do as I went online with live before installation and I was pleasantly surprised that the wifi configuration transferred to the installation.

In terms of aesthetics I dislike the icons, but not really on aesthetics but because I will have to teach my brain all over again which icon is which.  So I'd rather stick to boring than having to learn all over something of no value.  Yes, they look better, but I have to hover over a whole bunch to see where the one I need is.  It may be a good thing as I eventually just skipped the icon thing and just typed the command on the terminal.

While the forum was down I was trying to find out where to get refracta.  So I copied all installed files from miyo to my basic devuan install and checked the dependencies to make sure I have them all.  I found out that gawk was not installed in miyo, but I have no idea of how essential it is.

You might want to check it.
I am playing around with refracta trying to come up with my own m.i.y.o. edition of LXDE on ceres
I now have a miyo on ascii and a devuan on ceres, following changes, development, and stability.

#406 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Where are the refracta scripts? » 2017-08-06 14:47:21

Hot damn,
I started hacking around trying to get refracta into my main Debian installation while the forum was down.
To do so, and even though I had the wonderful vuu-do and used refracta successfully I gave @MiyoLinux a try.
This is not a proper installation and I wish I knew they were in experimental (which I never tried).
I looked up all the dependencies and rec's/conflicts, and made a cp/mkdir script to copy all 3 pkgs.  Then I
went through the list of dependencies and installed anything I was missing.
I noticed that in Miyo Gawk was missing, but I neither knew what it does and how essential it is.

Maybe I should do the proper installation of the experimental version and see if there is a
difference.

Later:  It worked like a devuan charm

#407 Re: Off-topic » Who is Maradona? » 2017-08-04 10:59:08

FOSSuser

Football is regarded by some as a religion, & therefore should be banned from the forum

I call for moderation!

#408 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » apt failure /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: not found [SOLVED] » 2017-08-04 05:36:07

Something had gotten twisted in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d and although I couldn't pinpoint it, I moved the whole thing to a temp folder and then I changed sources back to ascii (from ceres).  At some point after updating I installed apt-listchanges for ascii.  Then I switched back to ceres and
upgraded, there seemed to be 6 files to be upgraded which didn't come up 2-3 hours ago.  Seems like it is self-fixed again.

#409 Hardware & System Configuration » apt failure /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: not found [SOLVED] » 2017-08-04 03:31:31

fungus
Replies: 1

I am on Ceres/AMD64 

/bin/sh: 1: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: not found
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -lt 10 returned an error code (1)
E: Failure running script /usr/bin/apt-listchanges --apt || test $? -lt 10

Even trying to install apt-listchanges gives the same error as I get in pretty much anything
I try to install.

Something I recently try to install involved lsb and remember reading that this does not constitute Devuan's LSB compliance.
Can it be related?

#410 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Volume Up, Volume Down and Mute keys not working » 2017-08-02 13:23:53

On mine after an update 2 hours ago it says python-pygame pkg missing, can not play sound.
But volume works.  This is on desktop pc AMD65 running ceres

#411 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » JWM Windows Manager » 2017-08-01 23:34:14

I logged in to my devuan openbox and opened a terminal and run the neofetch profiler

Compared to extremely similar setups with other systems on the same box, openbox in devuan
scored 1st with artix second by about 40% better.  Systemd based systems were much much higher in ram.

Here is the outcome, https://pasteboard.co/GDHFhJl.png

#412 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-31 21:56:53

With synaptic too you go to menu package and mark one to be held without upgrade or being purged.
It is the same as the command above I believe.

#413 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-30 21:11:18

Guess what, in arch/manjaro/artix openrc where you can have the generator the menu does not work anywhere near the conky surface.
You shut conky off and it works everywhere.  smile

#414 Re: Installation » Upgrade Live USB to Ascii for testing? » 2017-07-30 21:08:11

Update only updates the repository lists of packages, upgrade actually replaces your instaled packages with new ones.
dist-upgrade is used when you are shifting from something like stable to testing or testing to unstable.
It is always best to do one step at a time.
I am relatively sure that both upgrade and dist-upgrade will have the same results, and the new kernel will be installed together with everything else.  The old kernel can never be uninstalled by such a command as it is the kernel the system will be running at the momment.
When you boot with the new kernel apt autoclean/ autoremove/ purge will clean up all unused pkgs and dependencies.
If you are running with a desktop use synaptic, reload --> mark upgrades --> apply after you have edited the repositories in synaptic or manually editing /etc/apt/sources.list

Don't sweat too much, this thing is built like a tank.

#415 Re: Installation » Upgrade Live USB to Ascii for testing? » 2017-07-30 14:49:34

From jessie to ascii 4.9 comes automatically in my experience, and I believe 4.11 comes with ceres, but
you will still be running 3.16 while you are doing an upgrade.  When I do such hops I don't care about the next kernel as much as about the transition.  I like to update/upgrade what is most essential for the transition, even though in 99% of times it may not matter.  I like to upgrade apt,dpkg,synaptic,,.... first and then rerun the update/upgrade with whatever tool is used.  The new tool is always safer doing the edition hop, even though it is running on an older kernel which I have yet to see a problem with.  I always keep 1-2 kernels backup just in case the new runs into a bug.

#416 Re: Devuan » Questions for switching from Arch Linux to Devuan » 2017-07-29 22:27:49

I was on Manjaro for a while, rarely did I use AUR.  Manjaro had a project with xfce openrc and it run well lately.  Now they are giving up all support and in 1-2 months OpenRC will not be in official Manjaro repositories, I suspect it will stay in AUR.  Artix is a new distribution (see signature for link) that is criscrossing Manjaro and Arch, eventually becoming Arch based and all packages will be built from source.
Back to debian/devuan.  I have only run stable for a day or two, ascii and ceres seem fine, and I never
had a problem, but never had a problem with sid either.  So I guess it depends on what you do.
I suspect the work on devuan is cut out to clean all debian updates from being able to run without systemd.  Based on the dynamic of debian devuan has a future.  But it may become too much work eventually as debian is making harder and harder to stay away from systemd.  So who knows.  Rolling distributions are always a risk of waking up one morning to a dead system.

#417 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-29 20:09:48

Sorry, I had been withdrawn to a new project.  Yes it works but I have rearranged some things already so it is OK

The issue I am wondering is why the package obmenu-generator flew away?
It is not just devuan it is debian too.  It is gone in testing/sid.
It works fine on arch/manjaro/artix and I have vuu-do conk and menus there now smile

A bit off-topic:

Manjaro did finally a debian and it will be turning to systemd only in the next month or two.
The ManjaroOpenRC (project) is no longer being supported, although it was never promoted
as its own.  Soon anyone running it will break if they update, they say.
So the team with a sideproject in videogaming development, has forked backwards into
an Arch fork with openrc.  They are calling it artix, see my signature and they are using
LXQT as their default wm.  So openbox comes with the installer which is more selective
than I have ever seen, all the way down to subpackages of a package.
Not bad at all for an announounced distro.

#418 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-29 09:41:36

From where I stand in ascii obmenu-generator doesn't even exist as a package which is why it didn't work.
I have managed to get it to work in other installations though
Artix the new non-systemd kid in the block

#419 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-28 17:21:52

$ obmenu
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/obmenu", line 617, in <module>
    app.init()
  File "/usr/bin/obmenu", line 521, in init
    self.menu.loadMenu(self.menu_path)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/obxml.py", line 153, in loadMenu
    self.dom = xml.dom.minidom.parseString(fil.read())
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/xml/dom/minidom.py", line 1928, in parseString
    return expatbuilder.parseString(string)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/xml/dom/expatbuilder.py", line 940, in parseString
    return builder.parseString(string)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/xml/dom/expatbuilder.py", line 223, in parseString
    parser.Parse(string, True)
xml.parsers.expat.ExpatError: no element found: line 2, column 0
$ obmenu-generator -p -i
Can't locate Linux/DesktopFiles.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Linux::DesktopFiles module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.24.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.24 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24 /usr/share/perl/5.24 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base) at /usr/bin/obmenu-generator line 34.

#420 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-27 09:16:45

I give it a 97/100 (openbox vuu-do)

Playing with ob, conky, cairo, and such, this thing you have created is a masterpiece of countless hours of work.  I would have never done such things for myself.

On the installation side, a tiny minor detail.  When it reached in selecting swap I thought I did select the swap partition, but maybe I didn't click hard enough, so the next option was swapfile or none.  There was no "back" button.  Which if you know what to do it only takes 2' to arrange in the future.  So I did.

While I was updating and upgrading I lost the right-click OB menu.  I don't know what I did, but after updating I moved up to ascii and possibly some replacement issue broke the camel's back.

This is the xml in .openbox

<openbox_menu xsi:schemaLocation="http://openbox.org/"><menu id="root-menu" label="obmenu-generator" execute="/usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/obmenu-generator -i"/></openbox_menu>

And /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/obmenu-generator -i is no longer working in ascii

Can't locate Linux/DesktopFiles.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Linux::DesktopFiles module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.24.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.24 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24 /usr/share/perl/5.24 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base) at /usr/bin/obmenu-generator line 34.

It is amazing how complete it is without being big.  Smallest possible installation one can live with.  But, for something so tiny to have so many bells and whistles it is astonishing.  Thanks for some audio stuff I've never "found" before, like the format switcher.

This is a killer version of devuan.  If you are heading towards a specific desktop that is not OEM, you would rather start with this and install it than to install a different desktop and have to strip and build. 

Two thumbs up!

PS  I had promised not to write here again and look away from devuan, but this man trully deserves an exception for all the good work that he has put in vuu-do   You will be pleasantly surprised no matter what you expected.

#421 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-07-19 17:53:59

I started way back.  I first used forms of unix in school, after useless time with dos-pc and mainframe vt100 terminals, then I used x-windows in SGI and SUN machines at work, when they would cost as much as a decent house, and win31 at home.  Then I went into a phase where I refused to work indoors and inside
office space.  Still did stuff with pcs for mariners wanting charts and autopilots connected and gps stuff, as I had worked on chartography before I started fixing
boat and driving trucks.  I had a navigational system in the truck before anyone had heard the term in the trucking industry smile   You can make money back then
if you didn't get lost and did not trust maps blindly smile
That was a good period.  Finally someone who had only used MSwin told me that all computers in the market are 64bit now.  So I made a comeback and since I can no longer do outdoor work much, I still knew I should try AMD stuff and linux.  Hey ls stil worked smile  and so did chmod and etc.  It all came back.
After winxp spending 10' fixing  someone's problem would get my stomach upset.  After catching up on the status of things debian making such a big deal on free and open had me attrackted.  The more I studied up on what systemd and associates were really up to the more I got disoriented with people defending that choice in debian.  I went with Manjaro for a while for the rush at latest stuff and their openness (advertised) on init systems.

Then devuan became stable and got my attention, although for some reason I had an older image and never got around in trying it.  Manjaro makes alot of noise
and claiming many things that they have yet to deliver.  Apart of systemd their claim of being friendly to init systems is small communities of users just trying to make it work.  Their prime system is systemd, but it is rock solid.    Linus signs something and 2 weeks later it shows up on testing and it works just like the one from two weeks before.  But OpenRC/sysvinit is still a project for development.  You can get it to work but you never know whether the next update will give you
functional system.  5 people on the forum is all the support you may ever get.

Now the systemd gangsters are thinking that by the time it will be revealed what is what it will be too late, as 90% of servers and users will be "customers" without a choice.  So this is worth any discomfort of fixing stuff like a holly war against the rich and poweful.    Can anyone verify that a sealed copy of systemd is not part of windows already?   Money interests can get many bad choices be very effective.

#422 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can I use Debian multimedia? » 2017-07-19 16:55:09

One thing to keep in mind is that deb-multimedia is not debian but their own multimedia repository.  Debian has no longer have anything to do with it so keep that in mind if things don't work out or work but in a strange way.  Do some research, there is a reason that debian would not host their stuff anymore, and it wasn't cost and space on mirrors.

I think the response here is just like the one you would get from debian.  There are tons and tons of stuff out there you can download and compile for your system.  Why should there be anyone's endorsement to try them?  Just think first what it all means.  Then make your own decision.  It is not an excuse to say that fungus over at devuan told me it was ok.  Would kali or parrot claim they are a debian-security suite?  Would tails say it is debian-anonymity?  If they did would you trust them more and hold debian responsible?

I hope you get my drift.  There is also github, and sourceforge, and upstream.

#423 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-07-19 15:29:49

Is there a gray area for those who have not found exactly what they need, funboyz, and distrohoppers?
I believe there is.   If you know too much you don't need a distro, you can build a system on your own. 
Most of us can't.  I don't think there is anyone I know that can build a system of similar capabilities of a
debian or an arch.  Collaboration among those that do know can build a system within the parameters
of an agreed philosophy.  Some of us are here under the illusion that what is stated as philosophy is
the actual guide for doing things.

I would have never left debian, despite of systemd, if I thought the philosophy was the guide and not
personal and economic interests that guided decisions.  Based on the commitment to such a philosophy
I currently think that if there is a future this is it.  But markets do not work on facts and people are like
bees on syrup.  So clicking on distrowatch is a way of telling the easily trapped that there is something
good here, better take a look.  Otherwise they will be lost in slumbundu-land.  I have never installed
mint or ubuntu, not because they are bad, but because that is what this market sells.  But I have tried
loads of crappy suspicious stuff that are on the bottom of the list, which is too bad.

"no source no god" 2700 years ago (I think that is how long it was) someone explained that if there
is such a thing as god logic must surely have preceded his existence, so if he exists he must have
incorporated logic.  Heraclitus

#424 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-07-19 08:59:30

If a system has no bugs, no requests to change or improve anything, the perfect system, it will rank 200 in the distrowatch list.  It would be considered a dead
project and abandoned.  A good system in their logic is one that has too many bugs and every little step on clearing out 1% of them is a point release.

So much for indexing and rating scales marketing people devise.

Devuan 2 the final release smile

#425 Re: Forum Feedback » Registration questions are questionable. » 2017-07-18 21:33:33

Well. the topic was about responding to violet instead of purple, and 3.16 and all .... so, what can possibly be OT?
It is not like talking about bears and scales or something.

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