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#2501 Re: Devuan » A few questions before installing Devuan » 2017-07-13 13:56:43

I'll answer in reverse order of your questions.

UEFI install works with the installer isos, same as debian. For the desktop-live, there's a separate iso for uefi.

The default desktop is xfce and uses xfce4-power-manager. Mate has its own power manager, and I'm not sure what lxde uses. From what I hear, they all suck. I haven't heard of anyone using powertop, but if you try it, please let us know how it works.

I don't know about docker. Ceres and ascii have the same version as stretch, buster and sid - 1.5-1+b1 0

Nvidia driver is the same as in debian. Here are the available versions. It's also possible to install from the nvidia binary, just as in debian. See the debian wiki for instructions on the different ways to install it.

apt-cache policy nvidia-driver
nvidia-driver:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 340.102-1
  Version table:
     375.66-2 0
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ buster/non-free amd64 Packages
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ sid/non-free amd64 Packages
        100 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ceres/non-free amd64 Packages
     375.66-1 0
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ stretch/non-free amd64 Packages
        100 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/non-free amd64 Packages
     375.66-1~bpo8+1 0
        200 http://packages.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports/non-free amd64 Packages
     340.102-1 0
        500 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/non-free amd64 Packages

#2502 Re: Installation » Ceres minimal .iso ... » 2017-07-11 23:02:59

Oh! I didn't know you could run without a syslogger. If you want one, there are two other choices that do work in ascii. busybox-syslogd and syslog-ng. (You don't need it often, but when you do, it's pretty important.)

#2503 Re: Installation » Ceres minimal .iso ... » 2017-07-11 17:38:20

I'm confused. How did you solve it?

Your sources.list looks ok except that you're using ascii, not ceres. Did you reinstall or do something else? Right now, I think it makes more sense to use ascii, but it also might help to enable ceres and pin it to a lower priority.  Then you can add packages from ceres selectively.

I don't think you need the packages.devuan.org line, but it won't hurt. If you want the rsyslog from jessie-backports, you would need to temporarily add a line with

deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main

and then run

apt-get update
apt-get -t jessie-backports install rsyslog

(Then remove the jessie-backports line and update again)

#2504 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-11 17:13:39

Not only do they shut them down, they do it without the root password! Big fancy desktop environments (that you've heard about ) provide buttons and/or menu entries for this. Whether those work or not in devuan seems to be somewhat of a crap shoot.

There are several threads about it here and it's come up in irc several times. Search forum for some combination of the following keywords:

consolekit policykit-1 libpam-ck-connector upower shutdown reboot suspend hibernate

I know I'm missing something again. Pretty sure there are more than four packages on that list.

If that was you volunteering to maintain slim at the end of you message, THANK YOU!  Probably you and Centurion Dan should get together and talk (while I'm asleep) and we can get an installable slim in ascii.

Edit: ...and xfce4-power-manager

#2505 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-11 15:39:59

consolekit is needed for shutdown and reboot buttons to work. This has been a recurring issue since about when we started on this path a couple years ago.

#2506 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-11 15:21:23

git clone https://git.devuan.org/PeteGozz/slim.git
cd slim
git checkout debugg
nano debian/changelog   #bump version
fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b
dpkg -i slim_1.3.6-5+devuan4~pg2_amd64.deb

Edit: doing it again after setting consolekit to NO in debian/rules

Edit2: without consolekit, I lose reboot/suspend/shutdown buttons in xfce and I also lose the bug login background. (I get the pink slim blood&guts theme.)

#2507 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-11 15:01:49

Bugs are crawling up my legs!
    -- Laurie Anderson

It builds. It installs. It runs. It frightens.

It worked on 2 out of 3 ascii systems. The third one lacks dbus, consolekit and libck-connector0, so I didn't install it on that one. I didn't look at the docs.

#2508 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED]is ther a microcode for intel » 2017-07-11 14:23:02

Make sure you have non-free enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main contrib non-free

Then

apt-get update
apt-get install intel-microcode

#2509 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Nvidia + Nouveau Dual Monitor Woes » 2017-07-11 13:23:18

I have a dual-monitor setup with nvidia G210-something and nouveau. 1 VGA, 1 DVI, and also on a laptop with an added vga monitor. The desktop spans both monitors nicely, and it was easy to do.

Install lxrandr and run it.

Note: You might not see it in the applications menu, depending on what deskop you're using. You can edit /usr/share/applications/lxrandr.desktop to comment out the offiending line:

#NotShowIn=GNOME;KDE;XFCE;MATE;

And if you save the settings in xfce, you'll need to do the same with ~/.config/autostart/lxrandr-autostart.desktop

#2510 Re: Installation » Ceres minimal .iso ... » 2017-07-11 13:12:46

rsyslog is not ready. I solved it in an ascii install by using the package from jessie-backports, which is the newest version we have right now.

8.23.0-2~bpo8+1 0
        200 http://packages.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports/main amd64 Packages

#2511 Re: Installation » OpenRC installation in Devuan Ascii » 2017-07-11 12:55:48

I haven't been following this discussion, so maybe I have no business posting on this thread, but there are a couple of things bugging me about it.

1. Way up in the early part of this thread I see:

GET /merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/u/util-linux/util-linux_2.29.2-1.dsc HTTP/1.1

That surely can't be right. Use devuan repos, not debian.

2. When I run '$ apt-get source util-linux' I see:

Get:1 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/ jessie-proposed/main util-linux 2.26.2-6+devuan1

But that is not the version in ascii or even in ceres.

$ apt-cache policy util-linux
util-linux:
  Installed: 2.26.2-6+devuan1
  Candidate: 2.26.2-6+devuan1
  Version table:
     2.28-1+devuan3 0
        100 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/main amd64 Packages
     2.27.1-1+devuan0.1 0
        100 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ceres/main amd64 Packages
 *** 2.26.2-6+devuan1 0
        500 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

It appears that there is a newer version in ascii than in ceres (and also I have the wrong version. This is on ascii that was upgraded from jessie, and I still have the jessie version of util-linux.)

If I run '$ apt-get -t ascii source util-linux' I get the version that belongs in ascii:

Get:1 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii/main util-linux 2.28-1+devuan3 

Then I run into the build-dep problem:

builddeps:util-linux : Depends: libudev-dev but it is not going to be installed

because it requires systemd.  So I checked to see if we've devuanized libudev-dev, and it looks like we did it for the version of udev that's in jessie (220) but not for ascii (232).

# apt-cache policy libudev-dev
libudev-dev:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 232-25
  Version table:
     220:3.2.2-devuan2.3 100
        100 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental/main amd64 Packages
     232-25 500
        500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages

Why does ascii have a newer version of util-linux than ceres?

Shouldn't the source for the ascii version be used for ascii? Just running 'apt-get source util-linux' pulls in sources for a version newer than any in devuan.

#2512 Re: Installation » Future of the debian installer for devuan » 2017-07-09 11:02:23

Some thoughts on this, in no particular order...

I don't know what the future holds for live-build. Someone who follows the debian-live mailing list would have a better idea. There's also the open-infrastructure project, which is run by Daniel Baumann. Packages are in ascii, and when I looked at it about a year ago, only one of the packages needed to have its dependencies changed (remove systemd dep) to install in devuan. It is a continuation of live-build under a different name and with the same commands.

Note that live-boot and live-config, which are part of the original debian-live project, are needed for refracta tools and for live-sdk to make a bootable live-iso. They better not go away any time soon.

libdevuansdk and live-sdk are being developed in devuan and are already in use for building the desktop-live isos and the embedded-device images.

It's not practical to remove or replace the debian installer. It's capable of doing too many things to get rid of it. Personally, I hate it, but sometimes it's the best tool for the job.

The refracta tools will continue to be included in the live isos. If development stops on those, someone else could pick it up. It's a really simple procedure. For the installer - create partition, rsync copy the live system to the partition, add the bootloader. And for the record, I'm not planning to stop maintaining those tools, because I intend to continue using them even if nobody else wants to.

The plan for the live isos is to include the debian/devuan installer. Ozi is working on that, and I think it will be included whenever we get around to making a point release of jessie.

Sorry I can't help with your install problem. I think it would be good if it got solved, and I hope that live-build or its successor will continue to work in devuan. Diversity is a good thing for the ecosystem.

#2513 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-08 12:11:20

Your gitlab-fu is better than mine. I think I've seen those pages, but I wouldn't know how to find them.

Yes, slim is the default display manager. And desktop-base is installed if you take the default desktop install, which uses a few task-* packages to fill up the installed-packages list.

It looks like the latest version of slim we have is 1.3.6-5+devuan4 in jessie. There's a newer version in stretch - 1.3.6-5.1, but I don't know if it has anything we want (plymouth patches and I forget what else). I tried building a package from the stretch sources, and it worked, but I didn't know how to put the devuan theme into it except to add it after installing slim. I only changed the changelog to give it a unique number. I did not have to change the dependencies, and I don't understand the deps. Specifically, I don't understand why apt complains that slim needs libpng12-0 when it's not listed in the control file.

I agree with you that the theme should be in the slim package. There are lots of people who don't install desktop-base but do use a dm. But I can't say anything about how desktop-base should interact with that. I know that the plan is to make it so that people can easily create and change themes for d-b that will show up at boot, login and desktop. I've avoided d-b ever since spacefun.

#2514 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Any relation between Devuan and antiX/MX? » 2017-07-07 19:04:07

Well, that didn't come out the way I expected. I forgot about all the nosystemd packages. Those can be considered false positives. But it did show something I expected - absence of libsystemd0.

I'm glad we aren't the only ones doing this.

#2515 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-07 18:26:35

I cloned your repo, built the package and installed it. It works! Nice job. The error regarding libpng12-0 that was preventing installation from the repo is gone.

There is a potential problem. The version number you used is already taken. Looking at the changelog, it looks like you did not use the latest version, so there might be some changes that were lost. Although it looks like those changes involved removing the devuan theme and letting desktop-base handle it. I have no idea what should be done about that.

#2516 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Any relation between Devuan and antiX/MX? » 2017-07-05 13:42:05

Switching to a devuan base would not help antix avoid systemd. In fact, they have some key packages that have been purged of systemd deps that devuan does not have, such as  gvfs-daemons,  and in stretch/ascii there's xserver-xorg.

All those /lib/systemd/ files are from the udev package. They are in devuan, too.

root@devuan:/home/user# uname -a
Linux devuan 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.39-1+deb8u2 (2017-03-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
root@devuan:/home/user# find / -name systemd*
/lib/systemd
/lib/systemd/systemd-udevd
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udev-settle.service
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udevd.service
/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-kernel.socket
/lib/systemd/system/sockets.target.wants/systemd-udevd-control.socket
/lib/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants/systemd-udevd.service
/lib/systemd/system/sysinit.target.wants/systemd-udev-trigger.service
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udevd-kernel.socket
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udevd-control.socket
/lib/systemd/system/systemd-udev-trigger.service
/etc/systemd
/usr/share/man/man8/systemd-udevd-control.socket.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/systemd-udevd.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/systemd-udevd.service.8.gz
/usr/share/man/man8/systemd-udevd-kernel.socket.8.gz
/var/lib/systemd

Try this one in antix and see what you get:

root@devuan:/home/user# dpkg -l | grep systemd
ii  libsystemd0:amd64                     215-17+deb8u6                        amd64        systemd utility library

#2517 Re: Installation » xserver no start w/ ATI(AMD) card, xserver-org 1.19.3-1 [PARTLY SOLVED » 2017-07-04 11:15:16

Are you using a display manager? If so, which one - slim, lightdm or other?

On my ascii installs without a display manager, I've used this to run startx as user:

echo "needs_root_rights=yes" >> /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config

I haven't tried any other settings. See man xwrapper.config.

#2518 Re: Documentation » Make a live-CD with live-sdk » 2017-07-01 21:39:55

F12, F8, ESC or some other key might get you to a boot device menu where you can choose the usb.

#2519 Re: Documentation » Make a live-CD with live-sdk » 2017-07-01 20:39:40

It should be bootable from a usb stick. Image the stick with dd like you would with any other isohybrid. That's what isohdpfx.bin is for. What are you getting when you try to boot the usb?

#2520 Re: Other Issues » Prboom not compatible between Jessie and Ascii releases » 2017-07-01 15:06:17

The description for prboom says that it's a dummy package for prboom-plus (and server package). What's wrong with the packages that are already in the repo?

apt-cache policy prboom-plus
prboom-plus:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 2:2.5.1.4~svn4403+dfsg1-1
  Version table:
     2:2.5.1.5~svn4462+dfsg1-1+b2 0
        100 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/main amd64 Packages
        100 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ceres/main amd64 Packages
     2:2.5.1.4~svn4403+dfsg1-1 0
        500 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main amd64 Packages

#2521 Re: Installation » How2instl TorBrowser in Ascii? NOT frm Stretch bakprts! [PARTLY SOLVED » 2017-06-30 13:28:05

Sorry, I'm in a bit of a hurry, so I didn't read it all. Here's what we have in devuan. You should not use debian repositories to pull packages. You could get some unexpected surprises, and I'm talking about the unpleasant kind.

$ apt-cache policy torbrowser-launcher 
torbrowser-launcher:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 0.1.9-1+deb8u3
  Version table:
     0.2.7-2 0
        100 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ceres/contrib amd64 Packages
     0.2.6-2~bpo8+1 0
        200 http://packages.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports/contrib amd64 Packages
     0.1.9-1+deb8u3 0
        500 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/contrib amd64 Packages

If you're in jessie and want the version from backports,

apt-get -t jessie-backports install torbrowser-launcher

I don't know why it's not in ascii. I would either try the one from jessie-backports or temporarily add ceres sources and pull it from there. More likely, I would just go to the tor site, download the latest version and unpack it in my home directory.

#2522 Re: Installation » newer version of e2fsck [SOLVED] » 2017-06-29 19:40:39

Maybe. Seems like a good guess, anyway.  Did you let the installer format the partition again?

Here's the top hit on a search for your error message. Looks like it might be related.
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=213125

#2523 Re: Installation » newer version of e2fsck [SOLVED] » 2017-06-29 13:34:43

Does it say what version of fsck it's using? Make sure it's the version in devuan and not the version in mint. Make sure the grub menu entry is pointing to the correct root.

#2524 Re: Documentation » Make a live-CD with live-sdk » 2017-06-29 13:17:06

Ged, if you have a local repository that's complete enough to contain all you need, I assume that it would work. I think you just need to edit the debootstrap command to point to your own repo. Look in zlibs/bootstrap.

There are several possible locations of isohdpfx.bin. Maybe we should be finding it instead of hard-coding the location. Look at zlibs/iso.

#2525 Re: Installation » newer version of e2fsck [SOLVED] » 2017-06-29 13:07:55

You're getting messages to upgrade e2fsck when you run the installer? Which installer iso and installation method are you using?

If you can get back to the installation that worked but didn't have wifi, that's a known problem and is pretty easy to fix.

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