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#1 Re: Installation » Nvidia and kernel - not good! » 2024-02-14 17:24:45

For anyone wondering about version numbers.
6.1.0-18 = Linux v6.1.76
6.1.0-17 = Linux v6.1.69

There's no new proposed-update listed in the news section of the Package Tracker for Linux

Message #19 on the linked thread suggests it is the driver that has been patched rather than the kernel - and that is supported by the News section on the Package Tracker for nvidia-graphics-drivers-tesla-470 (though I've no idea if that's the correct/only nvidia package in question).

#2 Re: Freedom Hacks » [SOLVED] Want to compile something, but need to revert some stuff, » 2024-02-11 17:00:07

Running git reset revision will change where HEAD is pointed, and - depending on various factors - may or not result in losing history, and may affect the ability to interact with remotes.

Alternatively, git checkout -b branch revision will create a new local branch at that point, allowing one to make changes but not lose history, and retaining the ability to push/pull as normal.

There are a bunch of other potential options depending on precisely what the situation is and what the desired outcome is.

#3 Re: Installation » Installing from src and apt » 2024-02-10 17:21:12

So create a deb package containing the files resulting from compilation, which you install with dpkg --install dummy-package.deb so dpkg knows what files your package owns. (If there are dependencies to resolve, apt install dummy-package.deb would be the appropriate command, but Apt doesn't do actual installation, not do the other frontends, dpkg does.)

There's official tools for creating deb packages that involve hundreds of MB of dependencies, but you basically only need ar (binutils), tar, and a few lines of script to create a deb file.

#4 Re: DIY » Announcement of the OpenMATE desktop environment » 2024-02-06 15:19:49

Microsoft does not respect its users - it treats them as a resource to be spied upon and exploited.

This is true for Microsoft Windows, and it is true for Microsoft GitHub - there have been numerous demonstrations of this for anyone paying attention.

Frankly, I struggle to comprehend how people who otherwise care enough to use Devuan can be ok with GitHub.


Codeberg is one of several alternatives, and to see what's good about them one can simply start with looking at the homepage: wrote:

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In addition, they have a migration feature to make it easier to migrate existing projects away from GitHub (or GitLab/others), though obviously for a new project one doesn't need to use that.

#5 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Help needed with StumpWM » 2024-02-03 16:45:37

Debian version numbers are explained in section 5.6.12 of the Debian Policy Manual:

Debian Policy Manual, section 5.6.12 wrote:

The version number of a package. The format is: [epoch:]upstream_version[-debian_revision].

The three components here are:

    This is a single (generally small) unsigned integer. It may be omitted, in which case zero is assumed.

    Epochs can help when the upstream version numbering scheme changes, but they must be used with care. You should not change the epoch, even in experimental, without getting consensus on debian-devel first.

    This is the main part of the version number. It is usually the version number of the original (“upstream”) package from which the .deb file has been made, if this is applicable. Usually this will be in the same format as that specified by the upstream author(s); however, it may need to be reformatted to fit into the package management system’s format and comparison scheme.

    The comparison behavior of the package management system with respect to the upstream_version is described below. The upstream_version portion of the version number is mandatory.

    The upstream_version must contain only alphanumerics 6 and the characters . + - ~ (full stop, plus, hyphen, tilde) and should start with a digit. If there is no debian_revision then hyphens are not allowed.

    This part of the version number specifies the version of the Debian package based on the upstream version. It must contain only alphanumerics and the characters + . ~ (plus, full stop, tilde) and is compared in the same way as the upstream_version is.

    It is conventional to restart the debian_revision at 1 each time the upstream_version is increased.

    The package management system will break the version number apart at the last hyphen in the string (if there is one) to determine the upstream_version and debian_revision. The absence of a debian_revision is equivalent to a debian_revision of 0.

    Presence of the debian_revision part indicates this package is a non-native package (see Source packages). Absence indicates the package is a native package.

So the version is 22.11, with an epoch of 2 is because the StumpWM developers appear to have a habit of changing versioning convention.

Checking // suggests there was no version 1.0.1 in Debian, though following the homepage link shows documentation links for a "v1.0.1-rc" (but also links for both "1.0.0" and "v1.0.0" so not sure what's up there), as well as for "22.11" and others.

If compiling from source, the correct source code to use is the Debian source code, linked from the Debian Package Tracker link above, (and making sure to switch to the branch corresponding to the Debian/Devuan version being used, otherwise there may be dependency issues).

#6 Re: Devuan » Devuan vs Arcolinux » 2024-02-02 18:23:53

Arcolinux is just Arch with stuff pre-installed, including systemd.

Artix is Arch without systemd, and thus is the complement to Devuan (for those who want a rolling Pacman-based distro).

#7 Re: Devuan » Interesting article and post at The Register » 2024-01-29 16:11:10

I kept waiting for the interesting part which that badly written blog article seemed to be building up to, then I found myself at the end. :/

The full comment is interesting - the idea of the US DoD potentially protecting against SystemD over-reach is not something I'd heard before, though my cynical side responds to that with a huge /LOL/ because clearly nothing of the sort will happen.

#8 Re: Other Issues » Incomplete translation into Russian of devuan installation ! » 2024-01-28 16:33:20

The instructions in post #2 appear to refer to the Dev1Galaxy forum.

It's unclear whether the statement in post #1 is referring to the installer or the installed system, and how much this is a Devuan issue or a Debian one, but seems to be it's definitely not referring to this forum.

This Debian page says the Russian translation is 90% complete, and there is a page written in Russian at // which might be relevant to increasing that percentage.

If the issue is actually Devuan-specific, more details would be required.

#9 Re: Devuan » Praise for the security updates » 2024-01-28 16:12:54

That's a convoluted and inefficient way to write apt-cache show xserver-\* | grep Filename - and the grep must be ^Filename: to prevent false positives.

It also completely misses what I was saying. I was referring to making the status of forks visible directly in the generated debtree dependency diagram.

#10 Re: Devuan » Praise for the security updates » 2024-01-27 16:18:07

Fair enough - I missed that post.

Searching for xorg in the Devuan repos only returns xorg-server - which is the source package for "xserver-xorg-core", aka "Xorg X server - core server".

That's different to the "X.Org X Window System" from the "xorg" package I was referring to, but it is a dependency of it.

Searching the debtree of xorg for "devuan" highlights that xserver-common is also a fork, (unsurprising since it comes from the same xorg-server source package), but the debtree doesn't directly highlight that xserver-xorg-core is itself forked - would be nice if there was some way to have an indication of that.

It also seems the issue in your linked thread has yet to be resolved - based on the versions listed at // and //, there should be a 2:21.1.7-3+deb12u4devuan1 in daedalus-proposed-updates and a 2:21.1.7-3+deb12u5devuan1 in daedalus-security channel.

#11 Re: Devuan » Praise for the security updates » 2024-01-26 16:02:59

Thunderbird does not depend on systemd. The promptness of its security updates is due to Debian maintainers Carsten Schoenert, Christoph Göhre, and the Debian Security Team.

Firefox does not depend on systemd. The promptness of its security updates is due to Debian maintainer Mike Hommey, the Debian Mozilla Team, and the Debian Security Team.

Chromium does not depend on systemd. The promptness of its security updates is due to Debian maintainers Andres Salomon, Timothy Pearson, the Debian Chromium Team, and the Debian Security Team.

Xorg does not depend on systemd. The promptness of its security updates is due to the Debian X Strike Force, and the Debian Security Team.

None of these packages depend on systemd, none of these packages are forked by Devuan, security for them is not handled by the Devuan team.

This is not a slight on those who maintain Devuan but an attempt to communicate that Devuan is Debian (with systemd removed).

The Devuan Team do important work to maintain init freedom - and absolutely deserve credit for that - but they have nothing to do with how your web browser, mail client, or display server works.

#12 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Quote Button » 2024-01-24 15:19:56

golinux wrote:

I get no asterisk using the the quote button on this forum.

You appear to have missed the part of brocashelm's post stating the "asterisks are there because FluxBB apparently fails to parse things dynamically".

In other words, they added the asterisks because FluxBB is badly written, and complains if one tries to use "[c][quote][/c]", and the easiest workaround is to insert a dummy character.

The point they were trying to make is that clicking a button to add empty quote tags is near worthless - typing two tags is trivial. The lack of a per-post option makes it harder to keep track of things one might want to reply to.

#13 Re: Installation » DropBox App Install » 2024-01-18 15:17:51

Sort by modified date on both sides then only drag the files that are newer.

Or check out rclone which is in the repo, supports DropBox and can do equivalent to rsync.

However, asking a question isn't (shouldn't be) rocking a boat, especially if you're new to a process - being new to something is exactly when people are more likely to ask questions.

Apparently bird bath heaters are a thing. No idea how effective they might be, but might be worth checking out if you've got an outdoor power source.

#14 Re: Installation » DropBox App Install » 2024-01-18 13:50:03

Steve is not whining. (Your mention of feeding birds has a slight ring of that though.)

Have you tried asking the court if non-proprietary alternatives can be used - yeah, they may say no, but you'll never know if you don't ask. (And similarly, they might never learn why it matters if nobody ever raises the subject.)

In any case, DropBox almost certainly still has a browser-based interface, removing the need to install anything.

#15 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] can't install firefox addons uBlock & NoScript » 2024-01-18 13:22:46

It means you don't have to re-install it every time you create a new profile, it's there from the start.

It might mean it doesn't get disabled next time Mozilla "forgets" to renew a certificate.

It hasn't been singled out - there's a bunch of other webext packages too. Most - but not all - are mainated by the "Debian Mozilla Extension Maintainers". I don't know what criteria they might have.

Greasemonkey used to be in the repo, but not with the webext- prefix; it got removed when it stopped working. If that's changed maybe you could ask for it to be re-added.

#16 Re: Installation » DropBox App Install » 2024-01-17 18:57:21

You're requesting the already stretched Devuan team of volunteers divert their time into investigating proprietary software for you? :|

Why don't you setup an isolated VM and check it out yourself?

Or even better, use something non-proprietary like Nextcloud that is already supported.

#17 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] can't install firefox addons uBlock & NoScript » 2024-01-17 16:01:52

The way to install uBlock Origin is apt install webext-ublock-origin-firefox.

Since you can use uBlock Origin to disable and selectively enable scripts per domain, do you actually have a need for NoScript?

#18 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » nftables init script » 2024-01-12 13:52:45

How does that script compare to the nftables init script which is already in the orphan-sysvinit-scripts package?


Looking at the nftables.init script the answer seems to be: the official-but-going-away script has better logging with a verbose option, and correctly sets name/desc variables, but not sure if there's any material difference...?

#19 Re: Off-topic » Search babble » 2024-01-11 14:23:37

Searching with DuckDuckGo doesn't stop one from also submitting to Google - if a search doesn't return the results you want, add "!g" and it'll send the same terms to Google Search.

Before doing so, one might opt to use the "Share Feedback" option in the bottom right, to allow DuckDuckGo to improve.

And of course, if one wants Google Search results but without Google's personalized spying, consider if you trust Startpage's claims (or whether the acquisition by ad-company System1 is a problem).

#20 Re: Devuan » Debian Farm? » 2024-01-10 15:29:07

Hibernation is different to the "Fast Startup" (i.e. fake shutdown) which arrived with Windows 8.


It does not exist in Windows 7.

That all three OSes mentioned boot slowly on an old computer containing 2008 spinning drives shouldn't be a surprise - even if WD3200AAKS usually has better performance than Samsung HD080HJ, there are plenty of factors which might account for the reported 5 seconds difference.

Anyhow, if people want to discuss boot times, might I suggest a distinct dedicated thread (with some degree of methodicalness applied).

#21 Re: News & Announcements » The (almost) No Code of Conduct » 2024-01-09 12:50:56

I don't object to the suggestion in #18, but maybe it could be re-ordered to place the clarification next to where it applies:

Visitors are expected to exhibit adult behaviour, regardless of age, based on a foundation of mutual respect.

Or, if removing the adult/age terms, perhaps:

Visitors are expected to behave with maturity, and interact from a foundation of mutual respect.

#22 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found » 2024-01-09 12:32:08

The recommended sources.list for Daedalus is this:

deb daedalus          main
deb daedalus-updates  main
deb daedalus-security main

Adding non-free-firmware repository is useful if used by the hardware in question.

Adding non-free and contrib are NOT needed.

Gimp is in the main repository.

#23 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Systemtap packaging error - cannot be used » 2024-01-09 12:14:51

Seems to be a poor way to differentiate between deb-based and rpm-based systems. Devuan wont be the only Debian derivative to fail this test.

I would recommend reporting this as an issue in to upstream SystemTap, maybe with the suggestion to change the logic to whether the relevant binaries exist - i.e. along the lines of if [ -x /usr/bin/dpkg ] elif [ -x /usr/bin/rpm ] else "error unknown system"

#24 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] transmission-gkt ( release version) » 2023-12-23 00:15:38

You're trying to compile from source software that isn't even in Unstable yet.

No idea why you'd want to do that, especially since you already have a version that is working fine. :/

Anyhow, if you're following official build documentation and the process is failing, then thing to do is report it to the developers of the software.

#25 Re: Devuan » Debian Farm? » 2023-12-22 14:58:53


The changelog for is at //

There do not appear to be any links added today...

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