I just went ahead and did a net install onto my main computer. Played around with it all day, then took it off. There were a few things not quite ready yet (of course since it's testing), but the biggest thing was that gtk2 apps wouldn't run on it. I had no idea Debian 14 removed gtk2 support. I think I'll be on Excalibur till the bitter end, but will keep Freia on my spare computer. Hopefully in a couple of months the rough edges will be smoothed out. If I try to install the snapshot tool (if I ever feel adventurous one day) I'll come back here and report how it went.

This is what I got from the terminal. It looks like it still wants to get rid of Mate.

ron@ron:~$ sudo apt install refractasnapshot-base
[sudo] password for ron: 
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  clearlooks-phenix-sapphire-theme  lightdm-gtk-greeter
  deepsea-icon-theme                p11-kit
  dmz-cursor-theme                  p11-kit-modules
  gnome-accessibility-themes        tiny-initramfs-core
  gnome-extra-icons                 xcvt
  gnome-themes-extra                xfonts-base
  gnome-themes-extra-data           xserver-common
  gparted                           xserver-xorg
  gparted-common                    xserver-xorg-core
  gtk2-engines                      xserver-xorg-input-all
  gtk2-engines-pixbuf               xserver-xorg-input-libinput
  gtk3-nocsd                        xserver-xorg-input-wacom
  gtk3-nooverlayscrollbar           xserver-xorg-legacy
  libdrm-nouveau2                   xserver-xorg-video-all
  libdrm-radeon1                    xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
  libgtk3-nocsd0                    xserver-xorg-video-ati
  liblightdm-gobject-1-0            xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
  libparted-fs-resize0t64           xserver-xorg-video-intel
  libseat1                          xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
  libunwind8                        xserver-xorg-video-qxl
  libxcb-dri2-0                     xserver-xorg-video-radeon
  libxcvt0                          xserver-xorg-video-vesa
  libxfont2                         yad
  libxvmc1
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.

Installing:
  refractasnapshot-base

Installing dependencies:
  dracut-install        libisofs6t64               live-config-sysvinit
  dummy-logind          libjte2                    live-tools
  initramfs-tools       libklibc                   mtools
  initramfs-tools-bin   libsystemd0                squashfs-tools
  initramfs-tools-core  live-boot                  syslinux
  isolinux              live-boot-doc              syslinux-common
  klibc-utils           live-boot-initramfs-tools  user-setup
  libburn4t64           live-config                uuid-runtime
  libisoburn1t64        live-config-doc            xorriso

Suggested packages:
  curlftpfs  debian-installer-launcher  xorriso-tcltk  cdck
  httpfs2    floppyd                    jigit

REMOVING:
  desktop-base       libpam-elogind  task-mate-desktop
  libelogind-compat  task-desktop    tiny-initramfs

Summary:
  Upgrading: 0, Installing: 28, Removing: 6, Not Upgrading: 0
  Download size: 4,256 kB
  Freed space: 2,015 kB

Thanks greenjeans!

I just happened to be on Miyo's Sourceforge page and there was some activity today. He uploaded a version for a friend, he said. (It's bios only, no UEFI; there's also some other qualifiers.) It's good to see some activity from him.

Anyway, the reason I was poking around there was because due to a huge mistake I made yesterday, I lost the miyo startup sound I had saved and was looking to see if he had it as a separate file. I couldn't find one and really don't want to download a whole .iso file for it. Can anyone help?

EDIT
Nevermind about the startup sound. Dan was good to post a link to it in this thread way back in post #481.

I'm not using Mate 1.28 on Freia. I'm on Mate 1.26 Excalibur. That's the reason I'm asking. I'd like to know before installing Freia with Mate 1.28. (Also I use Slim, not lightdm.)

Thanks for this. I'm going to try it out this weekend (I'm swamped at work this week).

I don't have a horse in this race, I use Chromium from the repos, and Pale Moon. As far as Brave goes, I've read some bad stuff about it as well.

I have run Vilvaldi on Devuan, but it's been a while now, so I don't know if anything has changed. You are trying it from the .deb file, right?

For Basilisk, you don't need to "install" it. Just download the correct one, extract the folder somewhere, and run the file "basilisk" from inside the "basilisk" folder. I use Pale Moon and do it the same way. I extract the folder to the Templates folder and created a shortcut on the panel for it /home/ron/Templates/palemoon/palemoon. Just replace palemoon with basilisk.

I can confirm that installing synaptic_0.91.7+nmu1_amd64.deb fixes the screenshot issue.

What I don't understand is Debian broke it by deciding to serve images from their website over https . . . why didn't they at the same time fix synaptic to receive them over https?

I guess I'm seeing a reinstall in my immediate future.