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#1 Re: Off-topic » Eben Moglen's presentation at re-publica in May » 2019-07-28 01:30:10

Very good, impressive, much to digest. 

I have wondered, as "smart" phone / smart everything / AI / data collection progresses; at some point what is the purpose of the biological person behind the phone?

To extrapolate on the subject discussed, there may be an underlying reason for why; evolution.  Biological life at some point may/will become unsustainable.  The data collected on every biological experience may have reason, along with AI; for the next evolved "life" to carry on.

There has to be a reason for all this.

#2 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Long Delayed boot time on ascii » 2019-07-14 20:32:53

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:


Southern Tenant Farmers Union? … mers_Union

Probably not.  I'll post it here, you dont have to hide behind your cute little acronym.

#3 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Long Delayed boot time on ascii » 2019-07-14 16:41:45

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
dxrobertson wrote:

The fix seems to be to not have /etc/network/interfaces do anything

Go around often mis-quoting people?

The fix seems to be to not have /etc/network/interfaces do anything, except for lo

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

NetworkManager is a bloated, buggy pile of crap and it should be possible to use ifupdown in Devuan.

Good for you and your il-informed personal opinion.  NM works fine here, cant recall experiencing bugs.

If you would exercise a little civility in your responses, useless posts like this one would not be needed.

#4 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Long Delayed boot time on ascii » 2019-07-13 23:10:11

I have had this issue on several installs, but with eth0.  This has been discussed here:

CREDIT: ralph.ronnquist

The fix seems to be to not have /etc/network/interfaces do anything, except for lo, the file contents should be:

# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

This will get rid of the boot delay and allow you network manager (wicd, network-manager, whatever) to control the network connection.  If you do not use a network manager, then you probably just need to do an ifconfig wlan0 up prior to your other manual connection commands.

My problem with this was with ethernet, hopefully the resolution for your wireless is the same, as posted.

The MTA delay probably has to do with exim4 now being installed by default.  You may want a mail transport agent, I personally find it not needed on my system.  You can purge exim4 and all associates if you do not want the mail transport, this will get rid of that delay.

#5 Hardware & System Configuration » Kernel 5 in Debian experimental » 2019-07-12 00:14:42

Replies: 1

Noticed kernel 5 is finally making its way into Debian, in experimental.  I need kernel 5 for regression bugs in regards to my asus netbook power management (no battery power interface). … ux-image-5

Downloaded linux-image-5.0.0-trunk-amd64-unsigned_5.0.2-1~exp1_amd64.deb.  Then:

dpkg -i linux-image-5.0.0-trunk-amd64-unsigned_5.0.2-1~exp1_amd64.deb

If you choose to do this, please realize this means the experimental kernel will now be your default  boot kernel.

Yes, I know; a crude install of .deb from experiment.  My intent with this post is to report that Kernel 5 is available and appears to be stable, atleast from my limited testing. 

All is well here, running fine.

#6 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » UEFI /etc/fstab request » 2019-07-09 10:10:54

Here is my actual fstab, from an UEFI install of Devuan ASCII, then upgraded to Beowulf. 

I did make 1 manual change- I removed the UUID from the /dev/sda2 swap partition.  I do this because I have another partition that I install to and the swap always gets formatted and thus its UUID changes.  Removed it from fstab so I dont have to keep manually changing it.

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
# / was on /dev/sda3 during installation
UUID=a0dc904d-8dfd-4d5c-8800-584836cc979c /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
# /boot/efi was on /dev/sda1 during installation
UUID=8796-D391  /boot/efi       vfat    umask=0077      0       1
# swap was on /dev/sda2 during installation
/dev/sda2 none            swap    sw              0       0
/dev/sr0        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0

#7 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2019-07-07 23:35:55

A neat little video, and enjoyable music.  VNV Nation - When is the Future?

#8 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » PulseAudio? Seriously!? » 2019-07-06 15:38:13

I think the --installed option shows only whats actually installed-

apt --installed rdepends gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio
Reverse Depends:
 |Recommends: handbrake

#9 Re: Installation » Odd message on booting a new install » 2019-07-06 00:03:07

From what I remember, XFCE likes network-manager-gnome package.  Install that, it installs ontop of NM, so leave him alone.  This *gnome package should provide an app called nm-applet.  It will be a panel/sys tray app. 

You may need to add the nm-applet to the panel/sys tray.  Someone else with XFCE installed should take over from here as I am running on faded memories.

#10 Re: Installation » Odd message on booting a new install » 2019-07-05 21:56:20

And to clarify on /etc/network/interfaces.  Once NM is installed, it is my understanding that it will handle all eth0 and wlan0 network interface.  I had the delays as you experienced on my installs and modifying the interfaces file fixed it once NM was installed.

/etc/network/interfaces should be this:

# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

#11 Re: Installation » Odd message on booting a new install » 2019-07-05 21:46:00

Micronaut wrote:

Question -- where do you find the controls/config for NetworkManager? It doesn't have any entries in the System or Settings menus.

To be more specific, they are generally in the panel/system tray app.  After installing NM, you may need to add the network panel app to the panel/system tray.  This all depends on what desktop env you are using.  What are you using; XFCE, LXQT, KDE, MATE....?

#12 Re: Installation » Odd message on booting a new install » 2019-07-05 21:26:48

The "main" Network Manager package name is network-manager (apt install network-manager).  This will provide a panel app, or interface for one, that works in XFCE, LXQT, and KDE.  Dont remember but XFCE might like network-manager-gnome better.  The panel apps are full featured, like what Windows provides.  Handles ethernet and wifi of course.

As @panopticon mentions, there is the nice nmtui console interface.  There is also the nmcli commandline interface.

The config connections for NM are in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/.  But the panel apps provide full config in themselves.

#13 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » PulseAudio? Seriously!? » 2019-07-05 09:52:31

Ron wrote:

Out of curiosity I checked what I had installed. While I don't have pulseaudio installed, I do have gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio, libpulse-mainloop-glib0, and libpulse0 installed. Can I delete these 3 without any adverse effects? Thanks.

Those are the same 3 packages I have installed. 

gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio was pulled in by handbrake on my system. Its a recommend and not a depend, so I may be able to remove it on my system.  Handbrake would not be removed, it just may not work right.  For you it depends on what package pulled it in.

libpulse-mainloop-glib0, and libpulse0 are the pulse packages that have so many hard depends I do not think they can safely be removed, atleast on my KDE system.

You can see what packages depend on a package via rdepends:

apt rdepends gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio

And you can "try-out" a purge of a package by use of the -s option, to see what would be removed along with it:

apt -s purge  gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio

#14 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » PulseAudio? Seriously!? » 2019-07-04 23:23:04

Micronaut wrote:

KDE is an insane widget zoo that requires cutting edge hardware just to run and is very annoying when it does run. Supposedly all the fancy useless graphical hand-waving can be disabled but I don't even want to try to wade through the settings and find where to do that.

Agree.  I have tried out KDE for years, since 3 and always the same; buggy and too many config options.  But the current release in Beowulf (5.14) I find it to be very stable, config has gotten to an understandable level, and its actually not horribly bad on resources. 

I have a minimal KDE install and disabled all compositor and effects.  Upon boot into KDE with SDDM display manager; a reasonable memory usage for KDE:

dxrobertson@acer:~$ free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          3.7Gi       292Mi       3.1Gi        29Mi       333Mi       3.2Gi
Swap:         3.9Gi          0B       3.9Gi

#15 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » PulseAudio? Seriously!? » 2019-07-04 22:36:19

Disable PulseAudio:

edit /etc/pulse/client.conf: 
set autospawn = no

remove <home>/.config/pulse

This depends on desktop environment used, disable any autostart within desktop env: 
Settings>Session and Startup:
 Autostart: check OFF pulseaudio

Ensure alsa-utils is installed.

login to terminal as root, set sound card and volumes:
F6 sound card, select "whataver appears other than default"
set master, speaker, headphone to 100% (or whatever)
=>alsactl store

You may want to install a nice panel volume app: volumeicon-alsa
You may want to install a nice mixer: qasmixer

You can purge pulseaudio packages, but libpulse0* packages are required, do not remove these.   The dependencies of Pulse with the desktop are due to installing the desktop meta-packages.  Thus when you try to purge Pulse, it appears that it wants to remove "the desktop".  Not going to say or recommend purging Pulse (but I do with no problems).  When installing desktop with --no-install-recommends, you can more control what gets installed (no Pulse).   Dont know about Firefox requirements.

I have run LXQT, XFCE, KDE successfully without Pulse (no Firefox).

#16 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Enable touchpad on LXQT » 2019-07-03 15:36:15

I think the root cause of this is the use of libinput, as opposed to synaptics.  Here is some info from Ubuntu: … untu-18-04

Sounds like you already installed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, as they suggest.  I think you have to adjust the touchpad via synaptics/xorg conf files, as I dont believe LXQT Keyboard and Mouse provide a gui for touchpad.

#17 Re: Other Issues » [Solved] Installing printer Ecotank - cannot install "LSB" » 2019-07-03 11:51:58

LSB.  Not sure what package lsb-desktop is, I dont see it.

Devuan Beowulf/Debain has:
lsb-base/testing,now 10.2019051400 all [installed]
lsb-release/testing,now 10.2019051400 all [installed,automatic]

#18 Re: Other Issues » [Solved] Installing printer Ecotank - cannot install "LSB" » 2019-07-03 11:41:25

kapqa wrote:

i did upgrade to beowulf by changing "ascii" to "beowulf" and afterwards "sudo apt-get upgrade" & "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade". It installed a fair share of packages withouth error, but after reboot i was just greeted with grub console.

you can find the driver by inserting "ET-4750" in the search field … archModule

See this thread, fsmithred post-

grub-efi-amd64-signed package is a problem.

You 1st need to find out what partition /boot/grub is on (root partition).  Then you can manually boot from the grub prompt.  Something like this for my system, my root partition is sda3 (gpt3).  If you have a simple install, its probably sda2 (gpt2).

find root partition
grub> ls(hd0,gpt2)/
grub> ls(hd0,gpt3)/
manually boot grub:
grub> set prefix=(hd0,gpt3)/boot/grub
grub> set root=(hd0,gpt3)
grub> insmod normal
grub> normal

If you are able to boot into your system, then do this as per fsmithred:

apt purge grub-efi-amd64-signed

Then reboot and all should be well.

#20 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Any luck with the (Debian) backported OpenJDK-11? » 2019-06-27 11:20:41

I poked around at and at the bottom it mentions:

Our Windows, Linux, and Mac installers use Install4j, multi-platform installer builder 

I believe the installer needs the Install4j installer installed before it can install.  Enough installs?  Thus disregard my comment above about setting jINSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME to JAVA_HOME.  It needs to point to Install4j, which you will have to 1st install.

#21 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Any luck with the (Debian) backported OpenJDK-11? » 2019-06-27 10:30:44

I dont understand why, but at some point in the java releases, java -v nolonger displays the java version.  Try:

java -version

If this returns the version then your java itself is running. 

It sounds as though you may also need to have INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME set, as an environment variable.  Taking a guess, this may need to be set to JAVA_HOME, which is the directory where java is installed (the java directory that contains bin).  As an example, if the java executable resides in /usr/bin/java/bin, then you would need env variable:

export INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME=/usr/bin/java

I set my java env variables in /etc/bash.bashrc, but thats up to you.

#22 Hardware & System Configuration » SDHC Nothing but Problems » 2019-06-19 23:36:04

Replies: 4

I have been trying to test out the use of an SDHC card for use as the primary drive for the Devuan OS.  The SDHC card is using and adapter to "make" it an SD card.  No problems with the drive recognition, installing Devuan, booting, etc. 

But with minimal use, the SDHC drive starts experiences disk errors.  fsck needs to be run and several errors are reported such as inode problems.  I can see this might be somewhat normal maybe 1 time.  But this has happened several times.  And at some point the OS becomes unusable due to so many fsck corrected problems.

Seeking someone with personal experience with SDHC.  This is a new PNY SDHC card.  I can only assume it must be defective?  Should use of SDHC in an adapter be more stable than what I am experiencing?   Am I an idiot for trying to boot an OS on an SDHC card?  Not asking for ways to fix, more do I need to return this card and try another, or put an end to this endeavor.

#23 Re: Installation » /opt missing from file system 2.0.0 » 2019-06-19 21:05:55

Not sure why it wouldnt have been created, that may be a deeper concern.

Yes, just mkdir it, anytime.  No need to reinstall, netinstall doesnt place anything in /opt.

#24 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » SDHC SD card in Devuan » 2019-06-19 00:14:41

Going through SD stuff myself for 1st time.  I am using an SDHC (the tiny thing) with an SD adapter.

I am not having any problems with HC itself, if that helps.  My hardware is a newer laptop as well as an old Windows 7 era asus netbook.  No problem with SDHC on either.  Log files dont reveal much, kern.log entry after insertion:

Jun 18 19:53:43 acer kernel: [ 2056.801914] mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address 1234
Jun 18 19:53:43 acer kernel: [ 2056.829643] mmcblk0: mmc0:1234 SA04G 3.64 GiB 
Jun 18 19:53:43 acer kernel: [ 2056.831028]  mmcblk0: p1


Disk /dev/mmcblk0: 3.7 GiB, 3904897024 bytes, 7626752 sectors                                                                                                                                                                   
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes                                                                                                                                                                                           
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes                                                                                                                                                                           
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes                                                                                                                                                                               
Disklabel type: dos                                                                                                                                                                                                             
Disk identifier: 0x00000000                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Device         Boot Start     End Sectors  Size Id Type                                                                                                                                                                         
/dev/mmcblk0p1 *     2048 7626751 7624704  3.7G  c W95 FAT32 (LBA)  


Sorry can help with actual problem, just wanted to report SDHC works here.  Devuan Beowulf.

#25 Re: Installation » (SOLVED) Install to an SD card » 2019-06-18 16:21:52

Reinstalled the netinstall.iso.  Was careful around the grub install.  Installed grub and installed it to /dev/sdc (the SC card).  All ok now, can boot fine from the card.  Grub os-probe created entries for the harddrive instance of Devuan, which I dont want, but thats ok; easily fixed.

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