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natanel

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Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

Hi,

There's a problem I'd like to inform you about.
Maybe it's something in my configuration? Perhaps it's global?

Using sddm (LXQt), Services managed by OpenRC

Whenever you restart sddm, Regular users are being added to the root group.

Before, on any tty/psudeo-terminal:

$ groups
user cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev users netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner incus-admin

After:

On regular tty:

$ sudo rc-service sddm restart

On GUI psuedo-terminal (QTerminal):

$ groups
user root cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev users netdev bluetooth lpadmin scanner incus-admin
$ id
uid=1000(user) gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),0(root),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),100(users),105(netdev),109(bluetooth),111(lpadmin),114(scanner),995(incus-admin)

Worth to mention that:
The user is part of the root group only on GUI terminal (within LXQt) and not on regular ttys (if you'll run the groups command on a regular tty, this won't happen)

How can I fix it?

Update - I found out that it is a well known bug since 2018(!) how sad

Last edited by natanel (Yesterday 05:48:45)

natanel

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

I kinda solved my own problem until someone who knows how to help me will answer something much better:

Since using

rc-service sddm restart

makes you root the only workaround is to reinitiate everything, so on a true tty (Alt+F1-F6):

# telinit 1
...(go into runlevel 1, and then exit)
# exit

It's bad and probably not the best solution but I don't know how else to solve this problem, so for now, i'll simply restart pid 1

Important note - Do not perform telinit 1 (or any "sudo telinit ...") on a GUI terminal (QTerminal and so), do it on a regular tty because sddm breaks it and it won't send you back to a functional tty... (or is it just on my system?)

Again - this isn't a good solution, as it really messed my tap interfaces for incus...

It is also worth to mention that: If you sent yourself into single mode (

# telinit s

) and then you're accidentally pressing f2-f7 to switch tty, all ttys will freeze including the single-mode one and become non-functioning, and then you won't be able to do anything except for magic sysrq (s+u+b) to force-reboot the machine

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ralph.ronnquist

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

As a suggestion, you might try editing /etc/pam.d/sddm to make the line

@include common-auth

be the two lines

@include common-auth
auth optional pam_group.so

I'm hoping that might make the login procedure via sddm more aligned with the procedure of tty login and in particular add a pam_group.so call that seems to be missing. Though it's kind of an untested wild guess so don't hold your breath.

natanel

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

Nope

even after adding that line it still shows that I am part of root

ralph.ronnquist

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

Yeah I should really test it myself, but anyhow the second option would be to add the pam_group.so line at the top, to make it be:

auth    required        pam_permit.so
auth    optional        pam_group.so

For clairty although I'm pretty sure you did it; you must stop and restart the sddm service for testing.

Then, an alternative might be to add -g user to the sudo command so as to make the root user starting the service while in the user group.

natanel

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

I tried this one as well, but it still didn't worked. I edited

$ sudo vi /etc/pam.d/sddm

and added those lines to the top of the file, but still:

$ sudo -g user rc-service sddm start
Starting Init script for Simple Desktop Display Manager: sddmstart-stop-daemon: unable to open pidfile '/var/run/sddm.pid' for writing (Permission denied)
start-stop-daemon: child returned error exit status 2
 failed!

ralph.ronnquist

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

Ah, I messed up; meant that those lines would be in /etc/pam.d/sddm-greeter

natanel

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

Seems like non of this works and at least for now the only way to solve it is to get into runlevel 1 (telinit 1) and then get back to telinit 2

ralph.ronnquist

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

Is the user actually added to the root group, or is it merely a case of group propagation in process exec chain? You can check with grep user /etc/group if user is in the root: line. (That file is the "groups database')

You might try again with "-g user" but make sure the old pid file is deleted beforehand; though it's slightly odd to get permission issue for non-root group. This is an attempt to avoid the root group in the process exec chain.

natanel

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

It isn't part of the root group, this only happens when restarting sddm

$ grep user /etc/group
cdrom:x:24:user
floppy:x:25:user
sudo:x:27:user
audio:x:29:pulse,user
dip:x:30:user
video:x:44:user
plugdev:x:46:user
users:x:100:user
netdev:x:105:user
bluetooth:x:109:user
lpadmin:x:111:user
scanner:x:114:saned,user
user:x:1000:
incus-admin:x:995:user
$ grep root /etc/group
root:x:0:

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rolfie

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

Last year I discovered that its possible to login as root on a lightdm session: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=7430

Also posted this on the German Debian forum and had a chat about the issue on the Devuan IRC channel.

My final solution based on the feedback I got was:

Edit /etc/pam.d/lightdm past the entry „# Block login if they are globally disabled“.

# rolfie 02.10.2025, disable root login 
auth required pam_succeed_if.so user != root quiet 

Perhaps you try the same with /etc/pam.d/sddm.

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natanel

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

That didn't solved it

But I was wondering, is it possible that the problem is caused by x11 and not sddm?
Maybe I need to check x11?

ralph.ronnquist

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

Looking at sddm source, it appears the user session process is started by uid root, so the subsequent groups fiddling (getgroups) will merge root's groups with the user's and set that for the process. In short it seems to boil down to crappy design. You'd do well in opting for some other "display manager".

natanel

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Re: Restarting sddm makes regular user part of the root group

Which display manager would you recommend? I didn't really chose sddm, I did chose LXQt, but because of my poor specs. My graphics card is too cheap and, If I recall right, is up to 2GB only, which means that most GUIs (gnome/kde plasma/cinnamon etc.) will crash my system, so LXQt is the best solution for me. I also like LXQt more because I don't need all those fancy things that KDE Plasma offers (I liked them back in the days when I was using Kubuntu, it was an easy transition from Windows to Linux, but I'm no longer there)

It is also worth to mention that even with sddm my GUI crashes every now and then, but others will make it intolerable, I don't believe I would be even able to start them..

Last edited by natanel (Today 10:24:27)