Devuan without dbus

Plentyn · 2025-11-02 16:36:26

Hi,

I try to avoid installing dbus, which worked (for me) with daedalus. In excalibur gconf-service is not included anymore, all other alternatives for gsettings-backend (xfconf-gsettings-backend, dconf-gsettings-backend) need dbus. Do you have an idea, how to get libgtk-3-0t64 installed without dbus?

Or any other ideas to keep luakit running?

Last edited by Plentyn (2025-11-02 16:40:11)

zapper · Yesterday 03:58:14

Curious about this as well to be honest. There is alot of stuff that doesn't need it, that is dependant on it.

For example, dhcpcd-gtk/dhcpcd-ui

doesn't need to be dependant on dbus, but debian idiotically does it anyways. Weird stuff man.

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn · Yesterday 12:46:11

one wonders how much is not absolutely necessary in any case:

devuan@devuan-pc:~$ apt depends luakit
luakit
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34)
  Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0)
  Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.49.3)
  Depends: libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.19.12)
  Depends: libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 (>= 2.38.2)
  Depends: libluajit-5.1-2 (>= 2.0.4+dfsg)
  Depends: libluajit2-5.1-2 (>= 2.1~)
  Depends: libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.32.2)
  Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.5.9)
  Depends: libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 (>= 2.17.3)
  Depends: <lua5.1-filesystem>
    lua-filesystem
devuan@devuan-pc:~$ apt depends libgtk-3-0
libgtk-3-0
  Depends: adwaita-icon-theme
  Depends: hicolor-icon-theme
  Depends: shared-mime-info
  Depends: libatk-bridge2.0-0 (>= 2.15.1)
  Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 2.35.1)
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.34)
  Depends: libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libcolord2 (>= 0.1.10)
  Depends: libcups2 (>= 1.7.0)
  Depends: libepoxy0 (>= 1.4.3)
  Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6)
  Depends: libfribidi0 (>= 0.19.7)
  Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 (>= 2.40.0)
  Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.59.0)
  Depends: libharfbuzz0b (>= 2.2.0)
  Depends: libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.45.5)
  Depends: libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.44.0)
  Depends: libpangoft2-1.0-0 (>= 1.44.0)
  Depends: libwayland-client0 (>= 1.20.0)
  Depends: libwayland-cursor0 (>= 1.14.91)
  Depends: libwayland-egl1 (>= 1.15.0)
  Depends: libx11-6 (>= 2:1.4.99.1)
  Depends: libxcomposite1 (>= 1:0.4.5)
  Depends: libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2)
  Depends: libxdamage1 (>= 1:1.1)
  Depends: libxext6
  Depends: libxfixes3
  Depends: libxi6 (>= 2:1.2.99.4)
  Depends: libxinerama1 (>= 2:1.1.4)
  Depends: libxkbcommon0 (>= 0.5.0)
  Depends: libxrandr2 (>= 2:1.5.0)
  Depends: libgtk-3-common (>= 3.24.38-2~deb12u3)
  Recommends: libgtk-3-bin
  Recommends: librsvg2-common
  Suggests: gvfs
devuan@devuan-pc:~$ apt depends libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
  Depends: libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 (= 2.48.5-1~deb12u1)
  Depends: gstreamer1.0-plugins-base
  Depends: gstreamer1.0-plugins-good
  Depends: libgles2
  Depends: bubblewrap (>= 0.3.1)
  Depends: xdg-dbus-proxy
  Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.32.0)
  Depends: libatomic1 (>= 4.8)
  Depends: libavif15 (>= 0.11.1)
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.35)
  Depends: libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0)
  Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libdrm2 (>= 2.4.107)
  Depends: libenchant-2-2 (>= 2.2.3)
  Depends: libepoxy0 (>= 1.3)
  Depends: libexpat1 (>= 2.1~beta3)
  Depends: libflite1 (>= 2.0.0-release)
  Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.12.6)
  Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.11.1)
  Depends: libgbm1 (>= 21.3.0~rc1)
  Depends: libgcc-s1 (>= 4.0)
  Depends: libgcrypt20 (>= 1.10.0)
  Depends: libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0)
  Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.70.0)
  Depends: libgpg-error0 (>= 1.14)
  Depends: libgstreamer-gl1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 (>= 1.22.0)
  Depends: libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0)
  Depends: libgstreamer1.0-0 (>= 1.22.0)
  Depends: libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.23.0)
  Depends: libharfbuzz-icu0 (>= 0.9.9)
  Depends: libharfbuzz0b (>= 1.8.6)
  Depends: libhyphen0 (>= 2.7.1)
  Depends: libicu72 (>= 72.1~rc-1~)
  Depends: libjpeg62-turbo (>= 1:1.5.0)
  Depends: liblcms2-2 (>= 2.2+git20110628)
  Depends: libmanette-0.2-0 (>= 0.1.2)
  Depends: libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0)
  Depends: libpng16-16 (>= 1.6.2-1)
  Depends: libseccomp2 (>= 0.0.0~20120605)
  Depends: libsecret-1-0 (>= 0.7)
  Depends: libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.69.90)
  Depends: libsqlite3-0 (>= 3.7.15)
  Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 12)
  Depends: libsystemd0
    libelogind-compat
  Depends: libtasn1-6 (>= 4.14)
  Depends: libwayland-client0 (>= 1.20.0)
  Depends: libwayland-egl1 (>= 1.15.0)
  Depends: libwayland-server0 (>= 1.0.2)
  Depends: libwebp7 (>= 1.2.4)
  Depends: libwebpdemux2 (>= 1.2.4)
  Depends: libwebpmux3 (>= 1.2.4)
  Depends: libwoff1 (>= 1.0.0)
  Depends: libx11-6
  Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.7.4)
  Depends: libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.25)
  Depends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.2)
  Recommends: gstreamer1.0-gl
  Recommends: libgl1-mesa-dri
  Recommends: xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
  Recommends: gstreamer1.0-libav
  Recommends: gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad
  Suggests: gstreamer1.0-alsa
devuan@devuan-pc:~$

also see this thread for more sadness

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=7272

Last edited by stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn (Yesterday 12:49:43)

alphalpha · Yesterday 19:57:39

maybe this is stuipid

but i guess you can just install dbus and pin it
then replace all the files with empty dummy files
and maybe something like this in your dbus-send

#!/bin/sh
echo "$(date +%m.%d.%Y-%H:%M:%S) $(ps -p $PPID -o comm=) $0 $*" >> /home/**user**/dbus-log.txt

i did not test this, use at your own risk

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Devuan without dbus

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