Problems with some apps on Gnome, on Wayland, on Devuan Ceres.

Magnus · 2024-02-12 18:43:29

I have problems with a recent installation of Gnome, on Wayland, on Devuan Ceres.

When I use Wayland, some applications cannot be started. They show up in the system monitor but is says they are sleeping, and they are not visible on the screen.

Gnomes applications generally work. But Thunderbird, Firefox-ESR, Geeqie and some others do not work. On the other hand, Firefox 121, Calibre, Zim and a few others work.

I can start Thunderbird and Firefox-ESR with the prefix MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1. I have tried some different suggestions (with the other not working applications) I found on the web such as the prefix GDK_BAKEND=x11 without success.

I run one installation with these problems since a couple of weeks. Then I have tried to make two completely fresh installations on completely empty partitions on two different computers. One with Intel Tiger Lake and an old one with Intel Pentium T2370 processor and Intel GMA X3100 graphics. It is the same error on all even with a completely fresh install without custom settings and without old dot files.

On Tiger Lake I have only tested kernel 6.6.11 and 6.6.13. On the old computer also 5.10.

There is no message whatsoever if I start the not working applications from the terminal. I can't solve the problem and would be happy for a bit of advice. On Xorg there are no problems at all.

Last edited by Magnus (2024-02-12 18:46:39)

GlennW · 2024-02-13 00:24:29

This may not be what you are looking for, but...

Devuan has xfce4 by default, and kde/plasma with x11 works.

I have used gnome apps before (a long, long time ago) and found

openbox with xorg (x11) I was able to install apps from gnome and kde and it worked no probs on a very old laptop.

Just my 2cents worth.

I hope you figure it out.

Magnus · 2024-02-13 07:43:23

Thank you for your response. I was using KDE in Wayland on Devuan Ceres for three years before I wanted to test the evolution of Gnome a couple of weeks ago. Now I like Gnome.
In the KDE environment in Wayland, there were no problems with the applications that now fail in Gnome. So it should be something Gnome related that makes it not work.
The big problem for me is that I can't troubleshoot because the terminal shows nothing when I start applications from it. So I don't have a clue where the error could be. And the logs don't show anything either.

GlennW · 2024-02-13 11:44:05

well, I hope an expert responds soon. all the best.

Magnus · 2024-09-08 07:41:49

A little OT follow-up : Gnome is now working properly for me.

This is hove I did it. :-)

Had the old not so good working Gnome installation (that this thread is based upon) on a partition that I cloned to another partition the other day. (Must clone to have the old version left, because that's where Calibre's Annotations plugin works (for my Kobo tablet) not on my now so fancy up to mode Ceres installation) When I tried to update it, Gnome/Ceres, on the new partition with aptitude, apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade, it took many minutes without coming up with a solution.

Then I used my favorite, and usually only package management method/application, Aptitude. I took and marked one application packet for update. Now when Aptitude shows a red B, for broken, I double click or press the return key, on the package name to see more about the package. Then I see which dependencies are not resolved.
Now I do the same process for the broken dependency, as for the original package. Highlighting it by clicking on it or moving down the current highlight with the keyboard buttons.

Once there, I check if it is possible to install the package. Press the + key. If it turns green at the left in Aptitude - green i or iM -, everything is fine. If it turns red B, I repeat the process until all it's dependencies are met.

When all needed programs are marked with a green i or green iM, it can be good to make sure that all packages, if they can, are marked with green iM instead of just i. iM means that that package is only installed if it is needed by another program/program package. (It is because many programs can be marked i, instead of iM, that aptitude and apt-get can have problems solving dependencies. Some programs - iM marked programs - must not be removed.) To do this, select one package at a time and press the Ctrl and M keys simultaneously. Now i has become iM. If it becomes nothing, I press the + key, so that it becomes i again. Without any highlighting at all, the package/program would be deleted, as no other program depends on it. Therefore, iM does not work on these high hierarchy program packages.

Now I press g, on the keyboard. If all went well, and I didn't miss any dependency, in the usually long dependency tree, a number of packages are now ready for installation. If not: do it again, do it right - If it went wrong: reverse Aptitude with the q key. If it was right: press g again, to perform the actual installation/upgrade.

After that package installation, with all dependencies, I take and select the next one. I prefer to select at the top of the program hierarchy, then I get many dependencies that other programs also need. When all programs are upgraded, I'm done, my computer has the latest programs. Now I test apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade and see if any small package is forgotten.

And after rebooting it turns out that the problem I had earlier - in February - is now fixed, so now I'm running Gnome instead of KDE as my DE. Let's see how long it lasts. Longing in some ways to go back to KDE but will now give Gnome a chance. Most of my favorite programs are built with GTK. It's only Typora and Calibre that are done on QT. So in that way it feels better with Gnome. But we'll see...

Last edited by Magnus (2024-09-08 07:43:07)

amaro · 2024-09-13 09:47:41

most of my apps are also built for gtk and if it is lighter on resources compared to kde changing to gnome could be an option for me too

now my ceres kde x11 upon reboot (no apps running) shows memory consumption of 1,3 gb

how much memory does your ceres gnome use with no apps running?

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#1 2024-02-12 18:43:29

Problems with some apps on Gnome, on Wayland, on Devuan Ceres.

#2 2024-02-13 00:24:29

Re: Problems with some apps on Gnome, on Wayland, on Devuan Ceres.

#3 2024-02-13 07:43:23

Re: Problems with some apps on Gnome, on Wayland, on Devuan Ceres.

#4 2024-02-13 11:44:05

Re: Problems with some apps on Gnome, on Wayland, on Devuan Ceres.

#5 2024-09-08 07:41:49

Re: Problems with some apps on Gnome, on Wayland, on Devuan Ceres.

#6 2024-09-13 09:47:41

Re: Problems with some apps on Gnome, on Wayland, on Devuan Ceres.

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