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#1 2021-02-16 11:59:51

zapper
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Genuine question regarding devuan,

I am curious, why do I need to type in my password when I am logged in just to shut down my computer?

Even gaggle android doesn't have that madness. Although, really, you should be able to shutdown your laptop or desktop regardless of if your logged in or not.

Is this devuan's fault, probably unlikely though... or is this debian's fault, or is it something else?

My guess is its a debian issue. 

This issue is extremely annoying to me. It smells like megalomaniac type behavior, where we know what's best for you.

sad

Thoughts?

small edit, you should be able to shut down your laptop or desktop without a password regardless of if your logged in.

Last edited by zapper (2021-02-16 12:04:33)


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#2 2021-02-16 13:21:58

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

Most likely a matter of user rights and policies. Maybe related to elogind?

Are you on Beowulf? Which desktop, how do you start? How did you get there? Upgrade from ASCII, fresh install?

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#3 2021-02-16 15:10:09

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

sounds like maybe elogind is not set up correctly?

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#4 2021-02-16 18:25:19

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

dice wrote:

sounds like maybe elogind is not set up correctly?

^ This.

@OP: check

loginctl session-status

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#5 2021-02-16 18:51:42

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

In LMDE, this is done by the 'debian-system-adjustments' package. Perhaps just borrow it?

I would like to be able to assign ctrl+alt+del to reboot, ctrl+alt+u to shut down immediately, and just be able to type it in a terminal without sudo.

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#6 2021-02-16 23:50:55

zapper
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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

rolfie wrote:

Most likely a matter of user rights and policies. Maybe related to elogind?

Are you on Beowulf? Which desktop, how do you start? How did you get there? Upgrade from ASCII, fresh install?

rolfie

On the laptop I mentioned, yes. And I installed fresh and... also, I was using xfce4 and went to the option to shutdown from the menu panel mark X.

So, is this something I can disable? It isn't exactly sane or helpful. heh...

elogind sounds like it has some problems then...


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#7 2021-02-17 11:28:07

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

rolfie wrote:

Most likely a matter of user rights and policies. Maybe related to elogind?

Are you on Beowulf? Which desktop, how do you start? How did you get there? Upgrade from ASCII, fresh install?

rolfie

I have a harem of eee pc and have done all manner of installation positions with them. Beowulf is demonstrating consistency of bug/feature across all, from full desktop install to slimmest netinst with minty-looking desktop.

Last year, on ascii, I went a bit far with autoremove and ended up with a system that had about 550 packages, a desktop, and no permissions to do anything hmm

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#8 2021-02-17 13:37:01

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

Here is an example regarding ASCII with Mate desktop: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1952

Maybe this helps.

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#9 2021-02-17 17:44:42

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

MLEvD wrote:

In LMDE, this is done by the 'debian-system-adjustments' package. Perhaps just borrow it?

I would like to be able to assign ctrl+alt+del to reboot, ctrl+alt+u to shut down immediately, and just be able to type it in a terminal without sudo.

Hmm, is there a way to make elogind behave when I use xfce4?

On my devuan laptop I am too lazy to install lumina-desktop, although maybe I should... heh.


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#10 2021-02-17 19:16:33

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

zapper wrote:

is there a way to make elogind behave when I use xfce4?

I'm pretty sure elogind works just fine with Xfce because that's what the live ISO image uses.

Please post my requested terminal output.


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#11 2021-02-17 21:31:52

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

I get:

           Since: Wed 2021-02-17 17:45:58 GMT; 3h 38min ago
          Leader: 1727 (lightdm)
            Seat: seat0; vc7
         Display: :0
         Service: lightdm-autologin; type x11; class user
         Desktop: lightdm-xsession
           State: active

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#12 2021-02-18 12:12:05

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

is there a way to make elogind behave when I use xfce4?

I'm pretty sure elogind works just fine with Xfce because that's what the live ISO image uses.

Please post my requested terminal output.

1 - user (1000)
Okay, here it is:

          Since: Wed 2021-02-17 17:02:46 EST; 14h ago
          Leader: 2227 (slim)
            Seat: seat0; vc7
         Display: :0.0
          Remote: user root
         Service: slim; type x11; class user
           State: active


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#13 2021-02-18 12:27:13

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

my guess is slim could be the issue, have you tried this below in .xinitrc or .xsessionrc ? I dont use slim anymore but im sure it calls on .xinitrc to start the session from memory

dbus-launch --exit-with-session startxfce4

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#14 2021-03-13 03:38:11

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Re: Genuine question regarding devuan,

dice wrote:

my guess is slim could be the issue, have you tried this below in .xinitrc or .xsessionrc ? I dont use slim anymore but im sure it calls on .xinitrc to start the session from memory

dbus-launch --exit-with-session startxfce4

Yep, you were absolutely correct... hmm


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