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#2251 Re: Devuan » A philosophical diatribe: How to avoid having users - and how not to » 2018-12-07 21:22:35
He could have been a bit more tactful but that's no reason to reject everything he said.
I don't think we rejected everything he said. I think we invited him (or someone with the itch to so) to provide the functionality that he envisions.
#2252 Re: Devuan » A philosophical diatribe: How to avoid having users - and how not to » 2018-12-07 20:37:08
The subtitle of this thread - "How to avoid having users - and how not to" - begs the question - "what users?". IOW . . . users have different preferences and needs. It's unlikely that one size will fit all. Choice and diversity in the Linux eco-system is a good thing and Devuan offers a choice. There are users who will like and support what we are doing and others who won't. We are here for those who resonate with what we offer and invite them to add their talents to improve what we are doing either directly or by creating a unique derivative.
Devuan is not just about avoiding systemd but also about providing a variety of init options. In fact, Devuan and Debian devs are now working together to keep init diversity alive in Debian. Collaboration like that is a good thing.
Devuan never has been (and is unlikely to ever be) about self-promotion or marketing or out-competing other distributions. We do what we do and offer it as a choice to the Linux community. It will not be everyone's choice. But it will become what its users contribute to its improvement and growth. Cliche alert . . . actions speak louder than words.
#2253 Re: Devuan » A philosophical diatribe: How to avoid having users - and how not to » 2018-12-07 09:22:34
We are doing our thing and quite happy doing it.
I can't remember anyone ever whining about lack of "user friendliness" or expressing a desire to vanquish the dominance of Ubuntu/Mint. In fact, if the VUAs had decided to fork Mint, I would not have spent the last four years committed to Devuan.
Different strokes. Devuan may not be to your liking. If you feel changes to Devuan are needed, offer them for consideration. Not just talk but tangible alternatives. Whether you stick around or not is a decision you will have to make for yourself.
#2254 Re: Devuan » Migrating from Mint » 2018-12-06 21:03:21
Please read this page:
https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list
You'll need to enable the correct repositories and comment the CDROM line.
and the Release Notes:
https://files.devuan.org/README.txt
And don't forget:
apt-get upgradeafter the update.
#2255 Re: Devuan » Migrating from Mint » 2018-12-06 18:51:55
Please post your sources.list
#2256 Re: Other Issues » Can't start UGENE » 2018-12-06 02:42:45
The only thing which looks suspicious to me is that there is no "cleanlooks" theme in this installation (as well as in another Xubuntu 14.04, where UGENE however does not have problems). There is "clearlooks" instead.
I have never seen or heard of a "cleanlooks" theme. I'm thinking it's a typo or inaccurate translation somewhere along the line.
#2257 Re: Installation » Single Partition Encryption » 2018-12-05 16:45:13
Ps. is there a way to upload desktop images directly to the forum?
Unfortunately no. Sorry I can't answer your more pressing question. Never done encryption.
#2258 Re: Other Issues » Problems with Devuan Ascii. » 2018-12-04 22:42:34
Also make sure it's unlocked . Just go through all the preferences to set it up exactly as you want.
#2259 Off-topic » The End of Trust » 2018-12-04 02:27:46
- golinux
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For your reading pleasure:
https://www.eff.org/the-end-of-trust
Most of it is familiar but I did discover something that I didn't know. Tucked away in the sidebar on page 226 is this interesting factoid:
"The website freedom-to-tinker.com, hosted by Princeton’s
Center for Information Technology Policy, published a study
highlighting a particularly invasive data-mining software
called “session replay scripts” that are being used by an
increasing number of websites. According to the study, session
replay scripts “record your keystrokes, mouse movements,
and scrolling behavior, along with the entire contents of the
pages you visit.” Unlike most third-party analytics services,
which provide aggregate statistics of your searches and the
pages you visit, session replay scripts actually record your
individual browsing session in its entirety, “as if someone is
looking over your shoulder”.The study lists tens of thousands of websites that were
either found recording users’ browsing sessions or have the
capability to do so. Among the big-name sites are xfinity.com,
windows.com, texas.gov, petco.com, and fandango.com. The
following sites were also found on that list."
—Landon Bates
Here are links to the study and full list:
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2017/11/1 … y-scripts/
https://webtransparency.cs.princeton.ed … sites.html
It just keeps getting worse and worse . . .
#2260 Re: Devuan » Migrating from Mint » 2018-12-02 21:39:38
Reminder: Do not use Ubuntu or Mint packages on Devuan
#2261 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » ceres upgrade removed my xfce4 desktop » 2018-12-01 16:41:10
. . . at the moment you will not get a functioning session management in ceres.
Indeed. ATM my beowulf /ceres mini.iso install with Xfce on VB is not saving any settings between reboots.
#2262 Re: Off-topic » The only thing I don't love about Devuan » 2018-11-30 05:26:04
Returning the favor. LOL!
#2263 Off-topic » Our dystopian present » 2018-11-30 05:19:04
- golinux
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This is a very illuminating read:
#2264 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Closest and fast Desktop like Qube for Linux? » 2018-11-29 00:49:57
Ok... now I know that I'm not in the target group of it...
Me either.
#2265 Re: Other Issues » How long are releases supported? » 2018-11-28 23:04:24
Yes, we are tracking Debian.
#2266 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » How do I install Nextcloud-client? » 2018-11-27 21:22:10
It is not recommended to use PPAs or third party repos on Devuan or Debian for that matter. Do so at your own risk.
#2267 Re: News & Announcements » We're now 800 strong here! » 2018-11-27 02:19:52
Welcome! Both Roger Leigh and Eric Raymond have been hanging around lately. And Bruce Perens posts occasionally on the DNG mail list. That's a vote of confidence for what we're doing.
#2268 Re: Devuan » First impressions in Devuan » 2018-11-26 16:50:24
Well . . . a "tyro" might not know much of the backstory. 
Any objections to splitting off the Murdock stuff to a separate thread? Not sure exactly where to put it though. Suggestions? Or maybe those posts should be nuked? Thoughts?
#2269 Re: Devuan » First impressions in Devuan » 2018-11-24 18:00:10
That is some fantasy you've conjured up!!
Is it? His death and the circumstances around it are very suspect.
There are some very dark and deep rabbit holes out there. Been down too many to completely disagree with cynicfm.
Be willing to entertain a certain thought and some research in this day and age may surprise you.
This may not be the place for this conversation , but his death was not "normal".
Have to admit his vote on systemd would probably been the main deciding factor.
Seen too much evil in this world to completely dismiss his claim. It has some truth in it.
His last few tweets were very strange. Also have to consider if he made them or who had his phone?
I do not believe everything I am told unless I can prove it to myself. Murdock and his death just left me with an uneasy feeling
and no way to prove any theory.
Conclusion= I do not know the truth about his death.
I agree with pretty much all of that. Even took a screen shot of his final tweets. I do know that Bruce Perens, the second leader of Debian who knew Ian very well, debunked some of the conspiracy stuff on DNG a while back. I'll try to find some of those posts. In any case, this is probably not the right place to continue this discussion.
#2270 Re: Installation » Sources List all Non-Free ? » 2018-11-23 23:38:53
@kuleszdl . . . Free software is a DO-ocracy. You are free to submit a patch to the installer that will do exactly what you want.
#2271 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » What games do you play on Devuan?? » 2018-11-23 22:22:21
I play solitaire. 
#2272 Re: Devuan » First impressions in Devuan » 2018-11-23 22:21:37
yeah i know why they killed ian murdock because he didnt want debian have systemd
now when hes dead they can put anything they want to debian
That is some fantasy you've conjured up!! FYI, Bruce Perens took over leadership of the Debian Project in 1996 and Ian moved on to other things.
From wikipedia :
In January 2006, Murdock was appointed Chief Technology Officer of the Free Standards Group and elected chair of the Linux Standard Base workgroup.[5] He continued as CTO of the Linux Foundation when the group was formed from the merger of the Free Standards Group and Open Source Development Labs.
Murdock left the Linux Foundation to join Sun Microsystems in March 2007[6] to lead Project Indiana, which he described as "taking the lesson that Linux has brought to the operating system and providing that for Solaris", making a full OpenSolaris distribution with GNOME and userland tools from GNU plus a network-based package management system.[7] From March 2007 to February 2010, he was Vice President of Emerging Platforms at Sun,[8] until the company merged with Oracle and he resigned his position with the company.[9]
From 2011 until 2015 Murdock was Vice President of Platform and Developer Community at Salesforce Marketing Cloud, based in Indianapolis.[9][10]
From November 2015 until his death Murdock was working for Docker, Inc.[9]
#2273 Re: News & Announcements » We're now 800 strong here! » 2018-11-21 22:00:42
@yeti . . . 800 registered users but about 250 (less than 1/3) have never posted. Those who have participated have created a helpful, welcoming environment.
#2274 News & Announcements » We're now 800 strong here! » 2018-11-21 18:22:56
- golinux
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Subject says it all. This little experiment has become quite a resource for Devuan and its users. A huge 'thank you' to everyone who contributes knowledge and friendliness to our community. On to 900 and then . . .
#2275 Re: Off-topic » How to install a Grub from gnome-look.org?. » 2018-11-21 16:32:19
You should be more cautious with unclear content scripts. Such "helpers" can irreparably damage the system.
^^^ This. I have refrained from posting to this thread because sometimes learning takes experiential knowledge. If it borks the system or worse it will be more a memorable lesson than a caution from someone who has been there and done that.
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