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#201 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 21:27:54

Hmm, I've still got:

linux-image-amd64_4.9+80+deb9u9_amd64.deb
linux-headers-amd64_4.9+80+deb9u9_amd64.deb

In my apt archives directory, but can't figure out how to re-install it.

#202 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 20:59:56

OK, I removed those from one system but now that system cannot connect to anything online. It's like the network driver or DNS or something is broken. This latest update has apparently broken something. I'll definitely wait before updating the others....

Proposed repositories? What are those? The only thing remotely experimental in my sources.list is backports. Do they put kernels into backports? Should I roll back somehow?

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii           contrib main non-free
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates   contrib main non-free
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security  contrib main non-free
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports contrib main non-free

#203 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 19:22:13

Ack! Updating has added another line to the list!

i A linux-image-4.9.0-11-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-12-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i  linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)

WTF is going on???

#204 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 19:18:06

Well, this is getting weirder. First:

i A linux-image-4.9.0-11-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i  linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)

There are THREE images showing as installed, besides the meta-package. But beyond that, I checked for new updates again and there is ANOTHER linux-image available for my machine. Maybe this is a correction for the mistake that resulted in multiple install entries?

#205 Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-10 21:16:20

Micronaut
Replies: 25

It's time to get my Linux boxes updated, and the one I've started with is downloading TWO kernel updates. ??? Why would this happen? I admit I'm not checking very frequently for updates. Maybe every couple weeks. Could the release of one kernel update right after another cause both to be downloaded? Or would something else make this happen?

#206 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2020-02-07 23:45:14

The adventure continues. Unbelievably, I've got DNS-over-TLS working on Windows before Linux. But, there are nice example configs posted to the Unbound support mailing list... And *ix stuff is always more difficult to figure out.

But I got a surprise when I installed dnssec-trigger on one of my Linux test systems and then tried to test it. It seems that nslookup and dig are not installed by default anymore? If they are associated with bind (as part of bind-tools) could installing unbound have removed them? Would it possibly interfere with unbound to (re)install these bind-utils? Or will they work the same with unbound as they do with bind?

#207 Re: Off-topic » Thunderbird needs to be forked » 2020-01-31 04:02:53

PedroReina wrote:

The grandpa of LibreOffice, StarOffice, had a e-mail client called StarMail. So, it get lost in some version from StarOffice to OpenOffice to LibreOffice.

Hmm, and now I wonder what happened to StarMail...

#208 Re: Off-topic » Thunderbird needs to be forked » 2020-01-31 04:01:47

Ron wrote:

There is a fork called Interlink Mail & News:  https://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/

Wow! That's good to know! I will definitely keep an eye on that.

The Slashdot article also has a post from someone pointing out an alternative called Claws Mail. https://www.claws-mail.org/

So there are a few options. But I still hope that the current Thunderbird is adopted by someone before it is ruined.

#209 Off-topic » Thunderbird needs to be forked » 2020-01-29 19:43:36

Micronaut
Replies: 7

There have been rumblings in the past from Mozilla about "improving" their perfectly functional email client. No one seems to understand the concept of "mature product" any more. Everything has to be constantly updated. Now they are planning to shift it to a subsidiary to get around their non-profit status and start exploiting their access to everyone's desktops.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/01/2 … subsidiary

The Mozilla Foundation announced today that it was moving its Thunderbird email client to a new subsidiary named the MZLA Technologies Corporation. From a report:
Mozilla said that Thunderbird will continue to remain free and open source, but by moving the project away from its foundation into a corporate entity they will be able to monetize the product and pay for its development easier than before. Currently, Thunderbird is primarily being kept alive through charitable donations from the product's userbase. "Moving to MZLA Technologies Corporation will not only allow the Thunderbird project more flexibility and agility, but will also allow us to explore offering our users products and services that were not possible under the Mozilla Foundation," said Philipp Kewisch, Mozilla Product Manager. "The move will allow the project to collect revenue through partnerships and non-charitable donations, which in turn can be used to cover the costs of new products and services," Kewisch added.

It looks like there will soon be a desperate need for a fork and a new home to maintain a decent FOSS email client. Who might be lobbied to adopt Thunderbird as it currently exists?  Wouldn't an integrated email client be a good thing for LibreOffice? Maybe the Document Foundation could make a fork and add it to their suite.

Does the Gnu foundation have it's own email client yet? I know they are way behind on most other large applications, and even their kernel. Too much time and effort has gone into emacs... smile Hmm, I bet emacs has a mail reader mode?

#210 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2020-01-20 17:51:42

Well, this is annoying. Stubby is apparently only in Ceres/Beowulf, not the current Ascii release. And of course not in Windows at all.  I was hoping to learn something useful on both Linux and Windows by using unbound in both systems. Looks like I might need to find independent solutions. At least the unbound package from nlnet labs does implement DNSSEC validation in Windows, which is better than the default of accepting the packet but not really checking it.

What I really need, though, is DNS-over-TLS for Linux laptops that does not use DHCP supplied servers. The dnssec-trigger package uses DHCP to get the servers, which is OK for desktops at home but not laptops in public places. I think it can be done with unbound, but I'm going to have to read a lot of documentation. Or maybe I'll just have to wait until Beowulf is officially released and stable.

#211 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2020-01-19 23:57:38

Where are the config files when you use dnssec-trigger to install unbound? I can find descriptions of how to get unbound to use dns-over-tls but the config files are not where these instructions say they should be. Some sort of strange redirection with symbolic links is used.

#212 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2020-01-19 21:35:44

After fiddling with dnssec-trigger in Linux and the unbound installer for Windows, all I can say is both seem to install OK and do whatever their default setting tells them to. But I can't tell if they are doing DNS-over-TLS and don't see any information about how to configure either to use it.

#213 Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2019-12-23 21:51:44

Micronaut
Replies: 9

Is anyone using unbound just for their personal system? I don't need to setup a DNS server for anyone, I'm just thinking of getting better security on my own DNS usage. Is the version in the repositories relatively up to date? Is it difficult to setup? Or is there some obvious, simpler solution for getting DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS on a  personal system?

#214 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » USB Multiboot » 2019-12-23 21:44:16

Unetbootin is not the only bootable USB creator. As far as I know, Rufus can install multiple environments on a single USB stick. But I've never used it that way myself.

https://rufus.ie/

#215 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-26 20:22:28

Further experiments, this time on an MSI motherboard with the G41 chipset, using an E8600 ("Wolfdale"). This is a "hybrid" system that allowed DDR3 to be used with some of the the older generation CPUs from the DDR2 generation. So far it has not experienced any hard freezes, but this is only the first day. It does experience little 'glitches' where it freezes for just a moment. It's difficult to say if these are not caused by something else. Many things can make your system pause for a moment.

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 3 (rev 01)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
00:1d.3 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01)
00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev e1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR (ICH7 Family) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 01)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family SATA Controller [IDE mode] (rev 01)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family SMBus Controller (rev 01)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GTX 650] (rev a1)
01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 HDMI Audio Controller (rev a1)
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0)

processor	: 0
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		: 23
model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8600  @ 3.33GHz
stepping	: 10
microcode	: 0xa07
cpu MHz		: 2003.000
cache size	: 6144 KB
physical id	: 0
siblings	: 2
core id		: 0
cpu cores	: 2
apicid		: 0
initial apicid	: 0
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 13
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf eagerfpu pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm kaiser tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm
bugs		: cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2
bogomips	: 6666.68
clflush size	: 64
cache_alignment	: 64
address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

processor	: 1
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		: 23
model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8600  @ 3.33GHz
stepping	: 10
microcode	: 0xa07
cpu MHz		: 2670.000
cache size	: 6144 KB
physical id	: 0
siblings	: 2
core id		: 1
cpu cores	: 2
apicid		: 1
initial apicid	: 1
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 13
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf eagerfpu pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm kaiser tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm
bugs		: cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2
bogomips	: 6666.68
clflush size	: 64
cache_alignment	: 64
address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:

#216 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-23 21:07:12

This is a much older system, and I've not gotten to the point of setting up any VMs yet. smile But who knows, there could be a relationship between the problems since they are so similar.

Just today I've gotten MX Linux 18.3 setup on this system that was having the problems. Now I just need to run it for a while and see if something similar happens. And I'll be installing Devuan Ascii on some other newer systems soon.

#217 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-22 21:59:29

Well, the freezing has hit again. It's very odd how the desktop becomes unresponsive, but any running processes just continue. When my Gkrellm is visible, I can see the process count skyrocket. If only I could figure out what those processes are being created for.

Now I guess I'll have to try a different distro on this hardware, and also install Devuan on another machine that is a bit newer and see what happens.

#218 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-18 21:16:38

Now I am wondering if I ought to open a completely different thread. Before resorting to trying a completely different distro to escape the random freezing problem, I decided to experiment with enabling swap. Since modern computers always have plenty of RAM, at least for ordinary desktop use, I have tended to skip the swap partition and just run any Linux without swap at all. But when I edited a swap partition into my Devuan test system and enabled it, things seem to work much better. Haven't had the time to test extensively yet, but it seems to have run for a whole afternoon without any freezing. This seems bizarre, since I've never come close to filling the RAM on this machine, so I don't see how swap would make any difference. But as I have searched around other forums, the discussions (which can get very technical about kernel issues) seem to say that swap is very deeply embedded in how the kernel works and you ought to have at least a token swap partition on any system.

#219 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » PulseAudio? Seriously!? » 2019-08-18 21:08:14

Yeah, I've seen that used in Ubuntu years ago. But wasn't sure how far along the "integration" of all the various components had gone. Systemd is impossible to dispense with now if you want Gnome. Sooner or later I'm going to try purging Pulseaudio and maybe reinstalling ALSA to correct anything broken. Still struggling with some other tweaks, though. smile

#220 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » UPS monitor » 2019-08-18 21:06:09

Well, the online database for the Debian repositories says there is a powstatd for CyberPower UPses. But it doesn't show up when searching with aptitude. On the other hand, the xfce "power manager" is installed by default. It does pop up a message soon after booting about noticing my UPS and that it is charged, but that quickly disappears. How do I get a widget to stay on the task bar where I can check it? There doesn't seem to be anything in the power manager preferences, but there is something or other that keeps a status icon on the task bar in Mint.

#221 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » UPS monitor » 2019-08-13 02:27:39

A Cyberpower UPS is what I have. There is apparently a Cyberpower driver in the Debian repositories, but I'm not running my Devuan install right now. I'll be looking for it next time I boot Linux.

#222 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » UPS monitor » 2019-08-12 04:02:50

Yeah, I found that in the repositories. But for some reason it's accessed through a metapackage named ups-monitor and simply putting that name on the command line causes aptitude to complain and refuse to install it. There are two packages, apcupsd and nut-client, and I have to "choose" one. Not sure what that means with a metapackage. Additional command line arguments?

#223 Hardware & System Configuration » UPS monitor » 2019-08-05 18:53:37

Micronaut
Replies: 5

Another convenience of Mint was that it just automatically noticed the UPS was connected and installed something to monitor battery status. Is this "something" or an equivalent available in Devuan?

#224 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-05 13:33:08

After the freeze problem hit again, I realized I would have to try different hardware. The test system is ~12-year-old hardware. If not for the huge amount of kernel modifications for the Spectre and Meltdown panic, I bet it would still work fine. But things have changed and some hardware is just going obsolete.

The next system is "only" ~5-year-old hardware. smile A Haswell generation CPU on an Asus motherboard rather than the ancient nForce. Since it is a completely different system, there might be other problems. But I'll be watching for the video freeze problem and report if this occurs again. What concerns me is some of my other systems are older than this, though not as old as the first test system. I hope they are still compatible with all these kernel tweaks.

#225 Re: Off-topic » Eben Moglen's presentation at re-publica in May » 2019-07-31 20:46:32

Very interesting talk! Thanks for the pointer, I'd never heard of this conference, though I've heard of EFF and Moglen before.

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