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#2126 Re: Installation » Devuan, KXStudio and extlinux. » 2018-06-05 12:48:24

I don't know anyone who has used extlinux/syslinux/isolinux for uefi boot.

I have used grub2 with uefi in a multiboot situation, and it's pretty easy once you see what's going on. Each OS will add a directory with a bootloader to the efi partition. You can see the order of the bootloaders by running 'efibootmgr'. Whichever one is first in the boot order will be used to boot the system. Whichever one you installed last will be the first in the boot order.

If you have more than one linux system, boot the first one and add the second linux to the boot menu. (Run update-grub in debian-based systems.) If you let devuan be in charge of booting, you can boot slackware from devuan's grub menu just like you'd boot windows from the grub menu. No need to use elilo.

There might be a way to use elilo and let devuan boot from the slackware menu, but I don't know elilo at all.

If there's a kernel upgrade, you may need to update the boot menu. This will happen automatically in devuan. If devuan is managing the boot, and you have a kernel upgrade in slackware, you may need to run update-grub in devuan again. (unless your grub entry for slackware uses a constant name for the kernel and initrd, such as /vmlinuz and /initrd.img)

The general recommendataion against using outside repos is because they haven't been tested with devuan. If that repo contains programs or libraries that require versions that aren't in devuan, you could end up with a big mess of dependency problems. Since you might be the first one trying this, take good notes and let us know how it goes.

Here's a good reference for uefi bootloaders (including rEFInd, which is another possibility.)
http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/index.html

#2127 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problems going into another operative system. [solved] » 2018-06-04 16:30:26

What doesn't work? You should be able to mount the partition with pmount. It won't mount automatically. If you want that partition to always be mounted when you boot, an entry in fstab is a better choice.

/etc/fstab

UUID=6e55911a-2620-4ab6-b2b5-1458602e6252       /       ext4    defaults,noatime        0       1
UUID=0b4a75ba-8b74-47b1-8aaa-2d971f92732f       swap    swap    defaults        0       0
/dev/sda3    /mnt    auto defaults,noatime     0     0

If you have problems with drive order changing, replace /dev/sda3 with UUID=xxxxx  (where xxxxx is whatever uuid is shown for sda3 when you run blkid)

#2128 Re: Installation » Redefine alternatives in /etc/alternatives » 2018-06-03 20:33:22

rxvt is a dummy package. With both rxvt and rxvt-unicode installed, this is what I see. (in jessie and ascii)
rxvt runs rxvt-xterm, and rxvt-unicode runs urxvt.

ls -l /usr/bin/*rxvt*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      22 Jun  3 16:10 /usr/bin/rxvt -> /etc/alternatives/rxvt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       5 Aug 15  2014 /usr/bin/rxvt-unicode -> urxvt
-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp  196232 Jul 30  2014 /usr/bin/rxvt-xpm
-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp  138680 Jul 30  2014 /usr/bin/rxvt-xterm
-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 1312280 Aug 15  2014 /usr/bin/urxvt
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   72688 Aug 15  2014 /usr/bin/urxvtc
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root      86 Aug 15  2014 /usr/bin/urxvtcd
-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 1320536 Aug 15  2014 /usr/bin/urxvtd

ls -l /etc/alternatives/*rxvt*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 Jun  3 16:10 /etc/alternatives/rxvt -> /usr/bin/rxvt-xterm
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 Jun  3 16:10 /etc/alternatives/rxvt.1.gz -> /usr/share/man/man1/rxvt-xterm.1.gz

With only rxvt-unicode installed, I see the following:
Both rxvt and rxvt-unicode will run urxvt.

ls -l /usr/bin/*rxvt*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      22 Jun  3 16:10 /usr/bin/rxvt -> /etc/alternatives/rxvt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       5 Aug 15  2014 /usr/bin/rxvt-unicode -> urxvt
-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 1312280 Aug 15  2014 /usr/bin/urxvt
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   72688 Aug 15  2014 /usr/bin/urxvtc
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root      86 Aug 15  2014 /usr/bin/urxvtcd
-rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 1320536 Aug 15  2014 /usr/bin/urxvtd

ls -l /etc/alternatives/*rxvt*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jun  3 16:23 /etc/alternatives/rxvt -> /usr/bin/urxvt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 Jun  3 16:23 /etc/alternatives/rxvt.1.gz -> /usr/share/man/man1/urxvt.1.gz

I think you want to choose rxvt-xterm for your alternative. If that's not a choice, installing rxvt should provide it.

#2129 Re: Installation » Redefine alternatives in /etc/alternatives » 2018-06-03 15:32:41

There's a way to add an alternative to a link group. I have not memorized the command, and I don't have time right now to figure it out. Look at 'man update-alternatives' or wait until tomorrow when I can answer, or maybe someone else know it and will answer.

#2130 Re: Installation » repository changed its 'Origin' value [SOLVED] » 2018-06-03 15:21:22

This is what I'm getting on a desktop-live iso that I made a few weeks ago.

Distributor ID:	Devuan
Description:	Devuan GNU/Linux testing/unstable
Release:	testing/unstable
Codename:	n/a

Get:1 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease [22.2 kB]
Get:2 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates InRelease [22.2 kB]
Get:3 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease [21.6 kB]
Get:4 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages [7,239 kB]
Get:5 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main amd64 Packages [357 kB]
Fetched 7,662 kB in 5s (1,525 kB/s)
Reading package lists...

After update/dist-upgrade

Distributor ID:	Devuan
Description:	Devuan GNU/Linux 2.0 (ascii)
Release:	2.0
Codename:	ascii

After adding beowulf and doing another update

Distributor ID:	Devuan
Description:	Devuan GNU/Linux 3.0 (n/a)
Release:	3.0
Codename:	n/a

I don't know where your 9 is coming from. I've got a 9 in /etc/debian_version, but it doesn't seem to be interfering.

/etc/devuan_version says "ascii/ceres"
/etc/issue says "Devuan GNU/Linux ascii/ceres \n \l"

/etc/os-release

PRETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux ascii/ceres"
NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux"
ID=devuan
HOME_URL="https://www.devuan.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://www.devuan.org/support/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.devuan.org/"

I don't know where else to look.

@fungus: I didn't edit any relase files, if that's what you were thinking. I might have added the beowulf line and not run an update until after the change.

#2131 Re: Installation » Redefine alternatives in /etc/alternatives » 2018-06-02 23:46:44

/etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator is not a file. It is a symbolic link to a file. The command I gave you allows you to choose which terminal to be the default. It does that by changing the target of the symbolic link.

I don't understand what you did. It sounds like you edited a file, but I don't know what file it was or what you did to it. If it saved under another name, then I suppose the original has not been changed.

You do not need to edit a file to change alternatives.

Run the command I gave you and select your favorite terminal. That one will become the default terminal.

#2132 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problems going into another operative system. [solved] » 2018-06-02 19:52:44

You do not need to be root to use pmount.

Make sure you're a member of the plugdev group. Run groups to see what groups you're in. If plugdev is not listed, then run as root, adduser keos plugdev

Then the user must log out and log in again.

#2133 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Problems going into another operative system. [solved] » 2018-06-02 17:52:22

There are many ways to accomplish what you want. Here's one simple way:

As root:

apt-get install pmount
echo "/dev/sda3" >> /etc/pmount.allow

As user:

pmount sda3
ls /media/sda3

If you want to unmount it,

pumount sda3

#2134 Re: Installation » Redefine alternatives in /etc/alternatives » 2018-06-02 12:40:24

update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator

#2135 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Cooling down ancient laptop » 2018-06-01 12:15:33

This may or may not apply to your situation. A friend had an old hot laptop. I opened it to clean it, and I noticed that there was a copper rod heat sink that had a small contact point with the part it was cooling. It looked like it wasn't snug against the part, so I added a drop of silver paste to the contact point. That solved the problem.

A more radical approach might be to pull the guts and drop it in a vat of oil. (This is real. Look it up.)

#2136 Re: Installation » repository changed its 'Origin' value [SOLVED] » 2018-06-01 11:58:23

fungus wrote:

Why is this like de-ja-vue to me?
FSMR, are you implying those two other users are making it up?  The error messages I mean?

I'm not implying anything, and there's nothing in my posts to even remotely suggest that. Most of this thread consists of reporting and comparing observations, with documentation. This is normal problem-solving behavior. Jumping to conclusions doesn't solve anything.

jimmyjhn suggested in his last post that there was a recent change in the repo. He's right.
Here's the answer: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=9636#p9636

as of yesterday, the "Origin:" field in the Release and InRelease
files on pkgmaster.devuan.org and deb.devuan.org has been set to
"Devuan" (it was empty before).
<snip>

I can also state that I recall someone bringing this to our attention in irc a few days ago.

#2137 News & Announcements » "Origin" now set to "Devuan" » 2018-06-01 11:45:18

fsmithred
Replies: 7

https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/2 … 48.en.html

Dear D1rs,

as of yesterday, the "Origin:" field in the Release and InRelease
files on pkgmaster.devuan.org and deb.devuan.org has been set to
"Devuan" (it was empty before).

This should most probably solve several issues related to incomplete
or wrong information retrieved (openly or silently) by
lsb_release. This includes also a few cases in which Devuan is not
correctly "recognised" as a host system.

The change seems to be seamless, even if some users have reported that
apt in Beowulf would issue a warning about that: you can safely ignore
the warning, and ask apt to continue.

Please report any issue with this change.

HND

KatolaZ

#2138 Re: Installation » repository changed its 'Origin' value [SOLVED] » 2018-05-31 19:13:50

I was using this when I posted before.

deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib non-free

and then I also tried https:

deb https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf main contrib non-free

I also have ascii, ascii-security and ascii-updates with same address (pkgmaster). The system is ascii. Beowulf is only used to check versions, but I did install something from beowulf as a test. No errors with apt-get update or apt update.

#2139 Re: Installation » repository changed its 'Origin' value [SOLVED] » 2018-05-31 18:17:09

I'm using the same repo, and I can update and install from beowulf. Both of you please say a little more about how you got this error and what your setup is, and maybe we can figure out what's different.

#2140 Re: Installation » Problems to update grub. [solved] » 2018-05-30 23:08:22

After dpkg -i /grub-pc* a windows opened  ... i pressed many times OK and «nothing happened» ... i allways have problems with graphics in this PC.

When you get to that window that won't let you do anything, press TAB and it will highlight the 'OK'. Then you can press Enter and it will bring you to the next screen.

Use TAB or arrow keys to navigate in debconf screens like that one.
Use Space Bar to select or unselect items.

#2141 Re: Installation » Problems to update grub. [solved] » 2018-05-29 22:36:47

You didn't click on the button that says 'Copy files' in the installer. (I'm sure of this - it's in your log.)

Boot into the new installation and run dpkg -i /grub-pc*
It will install the grub-pc package, ask you where to put the bootloader and create the config.

#2142 Re: Installation » How to install Devuan system/language into spanish? [solved] » 2018-05-29 14:34:57

That does help, thanks. You definitely installed from the desktop-live. If you booted into Italian, then any system messages would be in Italian. The English parts are from the installer script. The debconf dialogues for locales, tzdata and keyboard would have been in Italian, too. I can see that those ran correctly this time. I don't know why they didn't work for you the first time.

#2143 Re: Installation » A journey thorugh ASCII » 2018-05-28 15:29:59

I don't know a way around that problem. Debian "fixed" pinning last year, and some things that used to work no longer do.

#2144 Re: Installation » How to install Devuan system/language into spanish? [solved] » 2018-05-28 15:27:44

keos wrote:

As you said the user, HE, was able to run the installer in Italian ... !!

-- there is a problem with the installer.

Thanks!!

I'm still trying to figure out what installer you used. The one I wrote and maintained does not have any translation files. That's the only installer on the desktop-live iso. There are two versions of it: refractainstaller-yad, which starts from the desktop icon or menu and has a graphical interface, and refractainstaller, which runs in a root terminal or console.

If the installer gave you instructions in Italian, you must have been running the regular debian(devuan)-installer, which can only be started from the boot menu of the installer isos. (not the live isos).

Regardless of which installer you used, the dialogues for locale, timezone and keyboard should have come up at the beginning of the installation. If that did not happen, then yes, there is a problem, but you're the only one who has encountered it. More information would be needed to figure out why that happened.

#2145 Re: Installation » How to install Devuan system/language into spanish? [solved] » 2018-05-27 16:05:16

I think just the system was in Italian. "everything" meaning desktop, menus, apps, and console/terminal.

What I don't understand is why the dialogues for locale, tzdata and keyboard didn't come up at the beginning of the install. Those are in the pre-install script and can be turned off in the config file for the cli script and in the options menu for the graphical installer. (maybe he un-checked that box.)

#2146 Re: Installation » A journey thorugh ASCII » 2018-05-27 15:58:38

-I used the dist-upgrade command out of Debian habits, and I wonder if this is the culprit of my woes, because it installed dbus and slim; shame on me for not reading through the 800+ upgraded packages.  Also in this episode: dbus and slim are now pinned to never download.

You must use dist-upgrade or the equivalent (aptitude full-upgrade) to get to the next release. Warning: pinning ain't what it used to be. Stuff that's blocked on install is not necessarily (or maybe not at all) blocked on dist-upgrade. I've seen libsystemd0 come in like that on upgrading from jessie to ascii.

-It's using about 10-15mb more ram than jessie and I'm not really sure why.  This isn't an unreasonable amount, but it is noticeable.  Did anyone else experience this after they upgraded?

Yes, I experienced this on upgrades from lenny to squeeze to wheezy to jessie to ascii. I don't recall what happened from sarge to etch to lenny, but I'll bet it was similar.

#2147 Re: Installation » How to install Devuan system/language into spanish? [solved] » 2018-05-27 03:12:21

I'm certain that there are no working translations for the installer. There is a German translation, but the way the script is written causes some problems. It's on my todo list.

keos wrote:

i pressed f2 to display languages but nothing happened

To change the language, use backspace to erase and then type what you want. Try to ignore the repeating lines.

#2148 Re: DIY » largely for siva (+ anybody interested): distro remixing methods » 2018-05-26 12:57:08

The correction you requested:
While I have made a few experimental isos that started with a debootstrap install, I usually start with a netinstall iso and un-check everything except standard system utilities in the tasksel window. Add the cli refracta tools and make some config changes, and then make the no-X iso. 

For the desktop iso, I start with an install from the no-X. That way, I still have both systems and can update both no-X and desktop isos.

...and the one you didn't:

Older versions of refractasnapshot used the isohybrid command from isolinux. More recent versions make the isohybrid as part of the xorriso command.

I like the idea of changing an existing iso. David Hare (dzz of Exegnulinux and Refracta) wrote a script to do that, and that script was included in refracta8 (jessie). I should make sure it still works and include it in refracta9.

remaster-snapshot does the following:
# Four stages (script will execute one selected action only then exit):
# 1. Extract and unsquash a live-cd
# 2. Chroot the unpacked system with appropriate bind mounts
# 3. Prepare for "live" use and squash the unpacked system
# 4. Build a new ISO

Another place to customize a system is during the installation. Refracta installer has a point where it pauses to allow you to chroot into the installed system and make changes. You can edit configs and add or remove software at this point. (Note: you could also do those things in the live session, before running the installer, but adding software would use up a lot of RAM.)

#2149 Re: Installation » How to install Devuan system/language into spanish? [solved] » 2018-05-26 11:34:18

siva wrote:

EDIT: I downloaded the amd64 iso from the link you provided and can confirm the behavior.  The second line of the boot menu, "Other languages," should solve your problem.  The default language is Italian, and you should see "locales=it_IT.UTF-8 layout=it".  Edit it: change it to "locales=es_ES.UTF-8 layout=es".  When I booted, however, it didn't change the language to Spanish.  Here's a screenshot for the devs because I have to leave: https://image.ibb.co/gF2GBT/Screenshot_ … _51_40.png

This works on my copy. Except layout=es should really be keyboard_layouts=es. Check the sha256sum of your copy of the file to make sure it was a good download.

If you boot into Spanish this way and run the installer, the installer will still be in English, but the live system and the installed system will be in Spanish.

#2150 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » VLC no longer starts » 2018-05-22 22:22:32

Yeah, something is weird. I don't know what. I just tried it on four different systems, and in all cases, vlc will get upgraded. One system was installed by debootstrap last fall, has no task-* packages and has Recommends excluded. The other three were desktop-live isos - one from February, the official beta and the official rc.

What about the first command I suggested? Does it give you any useful output?

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