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#2126 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Wireshark upgrade requires libsystemd0 » 2020-09-10 14:20:42

I think the libelogind0 package in chimaera needs a version bump, it provides libsystemd0 but wireshark-common now requires >=246.

#2127 Re: Devuan » Devuan and bug reporting » 2020-09-10 14:07:27

Danielsan wrote:

I think I found some issue related with OpenRc and BTRFS in that case where should I report that bug to Devuan or to Debian? How can I understand/know when a bug is specific for Devuan and when it is not?

It's probably best to try to pursue the problem in the forums or on the Devuan mailing lists first so PEBKAC can be eliminated. Then try to reproduce the problem in a Debian system and report a bug to them if it's still there.

The Devuan developers can only really fix their own packages, neither openrc or btrfs-progs fall into that category.

#2128 Re: Other Issues » Sqlitebroswer 3.10.1-2 (Beowulf) Segmentation Faults » 2020-09-10 14:04:20

Tatwi wrote:

Do Debian packages get patched/updated in cases like this or just left alone?

Debian won't update stable packages, the only exceptions to the rule are the chrome and firefox-esr browsers. They might try to patch the program to correct a bug but if you do file a report make sure you reproduce the problem with a Debian system and don't mention Devuan in the bug report (some maintainers are very fussy about that).

#2129 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [Solved] Mesa update for Cinnamon in Beowulf » 2020-09-10 14:00:37

The best solution is probably to add MX Linux's AHS (Advanced Hardware Support) repositories, pin them to behave as backports and install their backported Mesa packages.

See http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=146083 for the details.

EDIT: adding the chimaera or ceres packages won't work because they depend on a newer libc6 version than is available in beowulf.

And don't add the testing/unstable repositories, the installation will pull in the newer libc6 version and it will then never be updated until you move to the next release.

#2131 Re: Other Issues » Sqlitebroswer 3.10.1-2 (Beowulf) Segmentation Faults » 2020-09-09 16:03:08

Tatwi wrote:

So here's a candidate for a backport

It is not possible to backport the testing version because it depends on a newer libc6 version than is available in beowulf.

#2132 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Post Your Sources List » 2020-09-09 16:00:03

zapper wrote:

I think the testing version must not have a security repo

No, there is no security repository for testing. See https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing

Nor is there a testing-updates repository. You might want to also read https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi … .html#s3.1

The links are from the Debian FAQs but the information also applies to Devuan.

#2133 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-09 15:55:10

zapper wrote:

would it be faster than the thinkpad x200?

I really have no idea, sorry. Try searching for processor benchmarks.

#2135 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Wifi disabled on boot – wlan soft blocked, how to determine why? » 2020-09-09 15:52:21

orbanbalage wrote:

I guess I would need to remove that "S" from networking to stay with wicd, or do the reverse to ditch wicd as you suggested.

Actually it's probably best to keep /etc/init.d/networking enabled to ensure that the loopback interface is correctly configured (systemd would do that in Debian but I'm not sure about sysvinit). Just remove any stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces that refer to your ethernet or wireless devices if you don't want ifupdown to manage them.

And to disable any given $service it's probably best to use

# sysv-rc-conf $service off

#2136 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » amdgpu-pro drivers » 2020-09-07 18:45:32

Terence wrote:

Does it mean that if I install the OS on real hardware will start and run normally?

No, the performance in a VM has absolutely no bearing at all on the support for your hardware. Look at your posted lspci output — do you see any of your hardware listed there?

The posted X.Org logs are of no use in respect of determining the problems with hardware support, we need to see the X.Org log from a bare metal installation.

Terence wrote:

Following your linked thread by 'shared-folder' is this command qemu_mount /shared 9p rw,sync,dirsync,access=client,trans=virtio,x-systemd.automount 0 0 but I have 'openrc' installed on the client.

How to modify the /etc/fstab accordignly?

Remove ,x-systemd.automount.

Terence wrote:

can you recommend some link-s?

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xo … r_settings

#2137 Re: Installation » Upgrading from Ascii to Beowulf » 2020-09-06 16:40:01

catprints wrote:

how about freebsd and alpine

The posted snippet will also work for Alpine but X won't be run under the normal user so I would actually recommend to install elogind and sway instead and then disable the setuid bit on the sway binary for a rootless desktop.

To start sway use

[ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ] && exec sway

For FreeBSD you can also use that snippet but replace /dev/tty1 with the output of the tty command when it is run from the default login TTY (I don't use FreeBSD so I'm not sure how the consoles are identified).

#2138 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » evolution email install » 2020-09-06 12:44:38

Can we see

findmnt
findmnt -s
findmnt -D
Marjorie wrote:

I don't know enough about dpkg to say whether we should expect it to produce temp files with these names

Yes, that's normal: https://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/07/18/d … -dpkg-new/

#2139 Re: Installation » Upgrading from Ascii to Beowulf » 2020-09-06 09:10:59

Hmm, sorry about the file descriptor misinformation. I should have tested that first.

Altoid wrote:

I recall having seen an article on-line where it was voted the best DM out of 19

That's just silly — the best display manager is clearly no display manager at all tongue

SLiM runs X under the root user whereas a console login followed by startx[0] results in the X server being run under the normal user, which is clearly a major advantage (as is the lack of DM overhead).

[0] Automate the process by adding this line to the end of ~/.profile:

[ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ] && exec startx

#2140 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Post Your Sources List » 2020-09-06 09:04:44

With apologies for the off-topic post:

brocashelm wrote:

just in case I decide to add MX GNU/Linux repositories for the GUI tools

Note that MX apply an epoch to their GRUB packages so if you add their repositories then those will be "upgraded" to the MX versions even in a ceres system.

See http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=146083 for a way to pin MX packages so that they are treated in the same way as backports, that will prevent any inadvertent changes.

#2141 Re: Installation » Upgrading from Ascii to Beowulf » 2020-09-05 20:02:35

Altoid wrote:

I cannot but emphatically recommend SLiM to one and all

Maintenance for SLiM stopped in 2013 so any security issues will not be addressed.

For example it opens a log file as root and doesn't close the file handle properly before exec()ing the desktop session.

Try this:

echo foo >&3
tail -1 /var/log/slim.log
ls -l /var/log/slim.log
whoami

#2142 Re: Other Issues » Delete a file with corrupted attributes » 2020-09-05 19:57:07

golinux wrote:

Good grief, you had help from Bruce Perens? What a legend...

@OP: which filesystem is this?

Can we see

file install-tl-20180702
stat install-tl-20180702

#2143 Re: Other Issues » [Solved] System log questions » 2020-09-05 19:52:14

Marjorie wrote:

the binary blob they have made of logs is apparently more fragile if things crash

The logs may be binary but they are not "blobs" — they can be read with strings(1).

#2144 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Wifi disabled on boot – wlan soft blocked, how to determine why? » 2020-09-05 10:16:01

Well it is from the live environment so there is no stored setting.

I've just found this which suggests that soft-blocks can occur due to conflicting networking services so you should check which ones are enabled for your system:

# apt install sysv-rc-conf
# sysv-rc-conf

Make sure only one service is enabled. I would recommend /etc/init.d/networking (ie, ifupdown, which is configured via /etc/network/interfaces and documented in interfaces(5)) rather than wicd because it's lighter and (much) less buggy and it has fewer dependencies.

#2145 Re: Other Issues » [Solved] System log questions » 2020-09-05 10:07:28

Alternative method:

apt-file search mate-system-log

Or enter the program name into the search box at https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents

EDIT: https://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt

#2146 Re: Other Issues » sbin PATH problems on Beowulf [SOLVED] » 2020-09-04 18:39:06

Altoid wrote:

Why not just get rid of the old su and let the output be command not found?

Because su can be used for things other than obtaining a root shell. Read man su wink

#2147 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » amdgpu-pro drivers » 2020-09-04 18:31:19

Terence wrote:

Here in Devuan is all completely different, even from MX-Linux

Looks like MX is booted in VirtualBox (they include the guest additions in the stock system), was Devuan also in VirtualBox and if so did it also have the guest additions installed?

Terence wrote:

All, in the VM installed OS show natively (just after install) a reduced resolution (1024x768 Devuan, 2500x1600 MX-linux), the full or possible max. resolution is given only after installing 'firmware-amd-graphics'.

What video card and kernel driver does lspci -k report for the VMs?

Terence wrote:

If you don't use 'virt-manager' what are you using?

qemu-system-x86_64 -enable kvm -m 4G -vga qxl -soundhw hda -cdrom /path/to/ISO.img

See also http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=144775

Terence wrote:

Sorry to big; I can't post them complete (not of real system, nor of Devuan) but...

Upload the file to a pastebin and share the link:

curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io < /var/log/Xorg.0.log

I'm not interested in the MX log, that is of no use for this thread.

Terence wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
Terence wrote:

No newbie explanation here?

Apparently not, no.

If so, that's bad, very bad.

I just can't be arsed posting a "newbie explanation" for how to create an X.Org configuration file, that's all. I'm sure there are some out there if you search a bit, or maybe another forum member with more patience than me will take pity on you.

Terence wrote:

If I not get a working solution for Devuan I will aquantaine myself with Gentoo.

What makes you think I care which distribution you use? hmm

#2148 Re: ARM Builds » mnt reform support? » 2020-09-04 18:12:11

tuxd3v wrote:

It seems more powerful than the Pine64 PINEBOOK

It is less powerful than the Pinebook Pro (which has a Coretex A72 for the heavy lifting) but five times the price...

#2149 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Wifi disabled on boot – wlan soft blocked, how to determine why? » 2020-09-04 18:08:07

orbanbalage wrote:

but this is a workaround, isn't it?

Yes, it most certainly is.

orbanbalage wrote:

Or it is the default state (soft block) in Debian/Devuan?

I'm working on the assumption that it's a bug in the Atheros driver but that's just a guess.

orbanbalage wrote:

I've tried Ubuntu live and the wifi wasn't soft blocked

If you still have the Ubuntu live image then I would be interested to see the journal entries for systemd-rfkill.service:

journalctl --unit systemd-rfkill.service

It could be that systemd is applying the same workaround.

EDIT: actually I had one of those cards in my ThinkPad E485, it was utter crap (used to overheat and drop out) but it was never soft-blocked under Debian buster.

#2150 Re: Other Issues » sbin PATH problems on Beowulf [SOLVED] » 2020-09-04 18:03:11

Altoid wrote:

I did not have /etc/default/su and generating the file and adding ALWAYS SET PATH  yes did not work.

That seems to be an error in the release notes, ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes should be added to /etc/login.defs.

Or just call su correctly:

su -

^ The - is important wink

Altoid wrote:

whatever the reason for the change in how su works, I hope it is a good/justified one and not another one of Poettering's wet dreams. It is a PITA.

See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=905409

tl;dr: /bin/su used to be supplied by the login package but it is now supplied by the util-linux package.

And is it really such a PITA to add a - after the command?

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