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#176 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-16 00:25:00
Maybe Devan would not, but the dnssec-trigger package comes from nlnet labs, and they would:
https://www.nlnetlabs.nl/projects/dnssec-trigger/about/
There used to be a race condition between dnssec-trigger and the system but this was fixed in 0.6, with a 'system preferences' override on OSX and Windows, and chattr immutable on Linux and BSD.
#177 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-14 15:20:31
No, I didn't even know the immutable attribute existed until I figured out how to remove it. Something else set it. And that was a peripheral problem. The real problem is that dnssec-trigger doesn't work anymore. DNS info is not looked up and the machine cannot use the network with it installed. Something in the batch of updates I downloaded broke it.
#178 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-14 02:42:36
That would install all of the kernels in the directory. Sounds messy.
Fortunately, after some more struggles I figured out what was wrong. The resolv.conf file was set read-only even for root, and contained only 127.0.0.1 as the nameserver. Well, whatever was in those latest updates broke dnssec-trigger. I don't know enough about it to say what exactly went wrong. When unbound stopped working, it prevented any network access from working since all applications would think that 127.0.0.1 was the place to request DNS information. When I finally figured out how to free resolv.conf (it was a completely different file control system than chmod, something I've never heard of before "chattr") it returned to the control of network manager and the system is usable again.
So now it looks like dnssec-trigger is not safe to use since these updates broke it. I'll have to remove it from all my systems and continue trying to figure out how to setup unbound independently.
#179 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-13 23:20:01
Alright, I give up. Since I don't have access to the network anymore, I can't get the files I deleted to try again. Looks like I have no option but a complete re-install when I have some time. This is the first time I have had such a debacle with Linux. But if I re-install and updating breaks my networking again, what then?
#180 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-13 22:30:07
All I have to do is reboot into Windows and there are no network problems. Something in the Linux updates broke my networking. Which is really shocking. Bad updates are supposed to be a Windows thing...
#181 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-13 21:37:31
The system having the problems is a desktop, no wifi involved. I simply downloaded updates using the above sources.list, "aptitude update" and then "aptitude safe-upgrade" and the network stopped working. The log posted above is all of the packages installed by that update. Looks like a lot of CUPS updates. But the only thing I can figure has anything to do with network access is the kernel. Hmm...
#182 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 22:28:35
Actually, I have to wonder if it was the kernel the broke my network. Here is the log of the upgrade that broke the system. MANY things were changed:
Start-Date: 2020-02-12 14:19:07
Install: linux-headers-4.9.0-12-common:amd64 (4.9.210-1, automatic), linux-image-4.9.0-12-amd64:amd64 (4.9.210-1, automatic), linux-headers-4.9.0-12-amd64:amd64 (4.9.210-1, automatic)
Upgrade: perl-base:amd64 (5.24.1-3+deb9u5, 5.24.1-3+deb9u6), libopenjp2-7:amd64 (2.1.2-1.1+deb9u3, 2.1.2-1.1+deb9u4), libcups2:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), linux-libc-dev:amd64 (4.9.189-3+deb9u2, 4.9.210-1), libjaxen-java:amd64 (1.1.6-1, 1.1.6-1+deb9u1), perl-modules-5.24:amd64 (5.24.1-3+deb9u5, 5.24.1-3+deb9u6), cups-server-common:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86:amd64 (4.9.189-3+deb9u2, 4.9.210-1), cups-common:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libpq5:amd64 (9.6.15-0+deb9u1, 9.6.16-0+deb9u1), libperl5.24:amd64 (5.24.1-3+deb9u5, 5.24.1-3+deb9u6), cups-ppdc:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libcupsmime1:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), linux-image-amd64:amd64 (4.9+80+deb9u9, 4.9+80+deb9u10), libglib2.0-bin:amd64 (2.50.3-2+deb9u1, 2.50.3-2+deb9u2), linux-headers-amd64:amd64 (4.9+80+deb9u9, 4.9+80+deb9u10), linux-kbuild-4.9:amd64 (4.9.189-3+deb9u2, 4.9.210-1), libglib2.0-data:amd64 (2.50.3-2+deb9u1, 2.50.3-2+deb9u2), libtimedate-perl:amd64 (2.3000-2, 2.3000-2+deb9u1), libmariadbclient18:amd64 (10.1.41-0+deb9u1, 10.1.44-0+deb9u1), libcupsppdc1:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libidn11:amd64 (1.33-1, 1.33-1+deb9u1), libfreetype6:amd64 (2.6.3-3.2, 2.6.3-3.2+deb9u1), perl:amd64 (5.24.1-3+deb9u5, 5.24.1-3+deb9u6), cups-bsd:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), cups-core-drivers:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), cups-daemon:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libcupsimage2:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), cups:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libcupscgi1:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), cups-client:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libglib2.0-0:amd64 (2.50.3-2+deb9u1, 2.50.3-2+deb9u2), libxslt1.1:amd64 (1.1.29-2.1+deb9u1, 1.1.29-2.1+deb9u2)
End-Date: 2020-02-12 14:20:13
#183 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 21:27:54
Hmm, I've still got:
linux-image-amd64_4.9+80+deb9u9_amd64.deb
linux-headers-amd64_4.9+80+deb9u9_amd64.deb
In my apt archives directory, but can't figure out how to re-install it.
#184 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 20:59:56
OK, I removed those from one system but now that system cannot connect to anything online. It's like the network driver or DNS or something is broken. This latest update has apparently broken something. I'll definitely wait before updating the others....
Proposed repositories? What are those? The only thing remotely experimental in my sources.list is backports. Do they put kernels into backports? Should I roll back somehow?
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii contrib main non-free
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates contrib main non-free
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security contrib main non-free
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports contrib main non-free
#185 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 19:22:13
Ack! Updating has added another line to the list!
i A linux-image-4.9.0-11-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-12-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
WTF is going on???
#186 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 19:18:06
Well, this is getting weirder. First:
i A linux-image-4.9.0-11-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
There are THREE images showing as installed, besides the meta-package. But beyond that, I checked for new updates again and there is ANOTHER linux-image available for my machine. Maybe this is a correction for the mistake that resulted in multiple install entries?
#187 Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-10 21:16:20
- Micronaut
- Replies: 25
It's time to get my Linux boxes updated, and the one I've started with is downloading TWO kernel updates. ??? Why would this happen? I admit I'm not checking very frequently for updates. Maybe every couple weeks. Could the release of one kernel update right after another cause both to be downloaded? Or would something else make this happen?
#188 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2020-02-07 23:45:14
The adventure continues. Unbelievably, I've got DNS-over-TLS working on Windows before Linux. But, there are nice example configs posted to the Unbound support mailing list... And *ix stuff is always more difficult to figure out.
But I got a surprise when I installed dnssec-trigger on one of my Linux test systems and then tried to test it. It seems that nslookup and dig are not installed by default anymore? If they are associated with bind (as part of bind-tools) could installing unbound have removed them? Would it possibly interfere with unbound to (re)install these bind-utils? Or will they work the same with unbound as they do with bind?
#189 Re: Off-topic » Thunderbird needs to be forked » 2020-01-31 04:02:53
The grandpa of LibreOffice, StarOffice, had a e-mail client called StarMail. So, it get lost in some version from StarOffice to OpenOffice to LibreOffice.
Hmm, and now I wonder what happened to StarMail...
#190 Re: Off-topic » Thunderbird needs to be forked » 2020-01-31 04:01:47
There is a fork called Interlink Mail & News: https://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/
Wow! That's good to know! I will definitely keep an eye on that.
The Slashdot article also has a post from someone pointing out an alternative called Claws Mail. https://www.claws-mail.org/
So there are a few options. But I still hope that the current Thunderbird is adopted by someone before it is ruined.
#191 Off-topic » Thunderbird needs to be forked » 2020-01-29 19:43:36
- Micronaut
- Replies: 7
There have been rumblings in the past from Mozilla about "improving" their perfectly functional email client. No one seems to understand the concept of "mature product" any more. Everything has to be constantly updated. Now they are planning to shift it to a subsidiary to get around their non-profit status and start exploiting their access to everyone's desktops.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/01/2 … subsidiary
The Mozilla Foundation announced today that it was moving its Thunderbird email client to a new subsidiary named the MZLA Technologies Corporation. From a report:
Mozilla said that Thunderbird will continue to remain free and open source, but by moving the project away from its foundation into a corporate entity they will be able to monetize the product and pay for its development easier than before. Currently, Thunderbird is primarily being kept alive through charitable donations from the product's userbase. "Moving to MZLA Technologies Corporation will not only allow the Thunderbird project more flexibility and agility, but will also allow us to explore offering our users products and services that were not possible under the Mozilla Foundation," said Philipp Kewisch, Mozilla Product Manager. "The move will allow the project to collect revenue through partnerships and non-charitable donations, which in turn can be used to cover the costs of new products and services," Kewisch added.
It looks like there will soon be a desperate need for a fork and a new home to maintain a decent FOSS email client. Who might be lobbied to adopt Thunderbird as it currently exists? Wouldn't an integrated email client be a good thing for LibreOffice? Maybe the Document Foundation could make a fork and add it to their suite.
Does the Gnu foundation have it's own email client yet? I know they are way behind on most other large applications, and even their kernel. Too much time and effort has gone into emacs... 
Hmm, I bet emacs has a mail reader mode?
#192 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2020-01-20 17:51:42
Well, this is annoying. Stubby is apparently only in Ceres/Beowulf, not the current Ascii release. And of course not in Windows at all. I was hoping to learn something useful on both Linux and Windows by using unbound in both systems. Looks like I might need to find independent solutions. At least the unbound package from nlnet labs does implement DNSSEC validation in Windows, which is better than the default of accepting the packet but not really checking it.
What I really need, though, is DNS-over-TLS for Linux laptops that does not use DHCP supplied servers. The dnssec-trigger package uses DHCP to get the servers, which is OK for desktops at home but not laptops in public places. I think it can be done with unbound, but I'm going to have to read a lot of documentation. Or maybe I'll just have to wait until Beowulf is officially released and stable.
#193 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2020-01-19 23:57:38
Where are the config files when you use dnssec-trigger to install unbound? I can find descriptions of how to get unbound to use dns-over-tls but the config files are not where these instructions say they should be. Some sort of strange redirection with symbolic links is used.
#194 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2020-01-19 21:35:44
After fiddling with dnssec-trigger in Linux and the unbound installer for Windows, all I can say is both seem to install OK and do whatever their default setting tells them to. But I can't tell if they are doing DNS-over-TLS and don't see any information about how to configure either to use it.
#195 Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2019-12-23 21:51:44
- Micronaut
- Replies: 9
Is anyone using unbound just for their personal system? I don't need to setup a DNS server for anyone, I'm just thinking of getting better security on my own DNS usage. Is the version in the repositories relatively up to date? Is it difficult to setup? Or is there some obvious, simpler solution for getting DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS on a personal system?
#196 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » USB Multiboot » 2019-12-23 21:44:16
Unetbootin is not the only bootable USB creator. As far as I know, Rufus can install multiple environments on a single USB stick. But I've never used it that way myself.
#197 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-26 20:22:28
Further experiments, this time on an MSI motherboard with the G41 chipset, using an E8600 ("Wolfdale"). This is a "hybrid" system that allowed DDR3 to be used with some of the the older generation CPUs from the DDR2 generation. So far it has not experienced any hard freezes, but this is only the first day. It does experience little 'glitches' where it freezes for just a moment. It's difficult to say if these are not caused by something else. Many things can make your system pause for a moment.
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset DRAM Controller (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset PCI Express Root Port (rev 03)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 01)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 2 (rev 01)
00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 3 (rev 01)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
00:1d.3 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01)
00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev e1)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GB/GR (ICH7 Family) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 01)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 01)
00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family SATA Controller [IDE mode] (rev 01)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family SMBus Controller (rev 01)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 [GeForce GTX 650] (rev a1)
01:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation GK107 HDMI Audio Controller (rev a1)
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR8131 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0)
processor : 0
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 23
model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8600 @ 3.33GHz
stepping : 10
microcode : 0xa07
cpu MHz : 2003.000
cache size : 6144 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
core id : 0
cpu cores : 2
apicid : 0
initial apicid : 0
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 13
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf eagerfpu pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm kaiser tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm
bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2
bogomips : 6666.68
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:
processor : 1
vendor_id : GenuineIntel
cpu family : 6
model : 23
model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8600 @ 3.33GHz
stepping : 10
microcode : 0xa07
cpu MHz : 2670.000
cache size : 6144 KB
physical id : 0
siblings : 2
core id : 1
cpu cores : 2
apicid : 1
initial apicid : 1
fpu : yes
fpu_exception : yes
cpuid level : 13
wp : yes
flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf eagerfpu pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm sse4_1 xsave lahf_lm kaiser tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority dtherm
bugs : cpu_meltdown spectre_v1 spectre_v2
bogomips : 6666.68
clflush size : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes : 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management:#198 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-23 21:07:12
This is a much older system, and I've not gotten to the point of setting up any VMs yet. But who knows, there could be a relationship between the problems since they are so similar.
Just today I've gotten MX Linux 18.3 setup on this system that was having the problems. Now I just need to run it for a while and see if something similar happens. And I'll be installing Devuan Ascii on some other newer systems soon.
#199 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-22 21:59:29
Well, the freezing has hit again. It's very odd how the desktop becomes unresponsive, but any running processes just continue. When my Gkrellm is visible, I can see the process count skyrocket. If only I could figure out what those processes are being created for.
Now I guess I'll have to try a different distro on this hardware, and also install Devuan on another machine that is a bit newer and see what happens.
#200 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Random freezing on desktop » 2019-08-18 21:16:38
Now I am wondering if I ought to open a completely different thread. Before resorting to trying a completely different distro to escape the random freezing problem, I decided to experiment with enabling swap. Since modern computers always have plenty of RAM, at least for ordinary desktop use, I have tended to skip the swap partition and just run any Linux without swap at all. But when I edited a swap partition into my Devuan test system and enabled it, things seem to work much better. Haven't had the time to test extensively yet, but it seems to have run for a whole afternoon without any freezing. This seems bizarre, since I've never come close to filling the RAM on this machine, so I don't see how swap would make any difference. But as I have searched around other forums, the discussions (which can get very technical about kernel issues) seem to say that swap is very deeply embedded in how the kernel works and you ought to have at least a token swap partition on any system.
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