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#176 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » X11 recently failing to start the first time after boot » 2025-03-12 01:21:12

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

1101HAB  Atom Z520 @1.33GHz  2G RAM and 128GB SSD

I see.
Seashell (?), larger screen (?) than mine.

fsmithred wrote:

Every new release gets bigger.

Yes.
I've noticed that.

Like I wrote in another non-related thread:

altoid wrote:

--- snip ---
Devuan Chimaera netinstall *.iso: 372.00 MB - UEFI installer: 00.754 MB
Devuan Daedalus netinstall *.iso: 477.80 MB - UEFI installer:  23.00  MB

30X more code has been added to the UEFI partition on the road between Chimaera and Daedalus.

Does anyone really know exactly what all that added code does?
--- snip ---

I'll stay with Chimaera then, maybe go for a backported kernel if I can find a justification for doing so.
The hardware will certainly not change so at some point in the future it may well be a good idea to roll a custom kernel for it and leave it at that.

The 1000HE is the best piece of portable hardware I ever purchased (used in 2011).

Thanks for the data.

Best,

A.

#177 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » X11 recently failing to start the first time after boot » 2025-03-11 20:40:55

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

... daedalus on asus EEE with 686-pae kernel ...

An OT question, if I may: what Asus EEE model would that be?

I have been running my 1000HE (Intel N280 Atom / 2.0Gb) on Chimaera (5.10.0-0.deb10.16-686-pae) for a long while now and was wondering if it would make sense to move on to Daedalus.

Best,

A.

#178 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] hama usb 2.0 Card Reader 35 in 1 is not recognized » 2025-03-11 20:12:42

Hello:

Winnetou wrote:

Thanks ...

You're welcome.

Before we continue:
When posting a terminal printout, for easier reading, the text must be placed between code blocks.
eg:

code
printout text goes here
/code

That way what the reader sees is this:

printout text goes here

You can generate a pair of code blocks by clicking on [ code ] while editing / replying.

---

Now, with respect to your reader:

--- snip ---
[ 1755.552055] usb 1-3: new high-speed USB device number 5 using xhci_hcd
[ 1755.803573] usb 1-3: New USB device found, idVendor=0dda, idProduct=2005, bcdDevice= 1.9c      ### <----
[ 1755.803584] usb 1-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[ 1755.803588] usb 1-3: Product: Hama Card Reader
[ 1755.803592] usb 1-3: Manufacturer: Hama Card Reader
[ 1755.803595] usb 1-3: SerialNumber: ABCD12345683
--- snip ---

1.
dmesg informs that your reader is id'd as idVendor=0dda, idProduct=2005, 0dda being the id of the OEM, Integrated Circuit Solution, Inc. and 2005 the id of their Datalux DLX-1611 16in1 Card Reader. In your case, it has been rebadged as a Hama Card Reader.

This means that you are not lacking a driver as it is recognised by the system and that the problem is (most probably) not the hardware.

--- snip ---
[ 1756.845648] scsi 9:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Hama     Card Reader   CF 1.9C PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
[ 1756.847337] scsi 9:0:0:1: Direct-Access     Hama     Card Reader   MS 1.9C PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
[ 1756.849084] scsi 9:0:0:2: Direct-Access     Hama     CardReaderMMC/SD 1.9C PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
[ 1756.850885] scsi 9:0:0:3: Direct-Access     Hama     Card Reader   SM 1.9C PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
--- snip ---

Here you see the different slots where the "35" are plugged in.
ie: CF, MMC/SD, MS, SM, etc.

Up to that point it seems that everything is as expected.

Q1: are you using a laptop/portable machine?
Q2: if so, were you running on main or battery power?
Q3: was there any card in the reader when you plugged it in?

If there was a card in the reader, please remove the card and repeat 2. without any cards in the reader.

ie:
sudo dmesg -w

... then plug in the reader and post the terminal printout as indicated.

Best,

A.

#179 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] hama usb 2.0 Card Reader 35 in 1 is not recognized » 2025-03-10 18:50:47

Hello:

Welcome to Devuan.

... USB 2.0 card reader 35 in 1.

Right.

I seem to recall that the Hama branded card readers did not play too well with Linux.
BTW: is it this one?

amazon wrote:

ALWAYS COMPATIBLE: Operating systems compatible with Windows 11/10/8/7/Vista/XP card reader if applicable. with update and Mac OS from 9.x or later. A USB cable for connecting to a PC/laptop/laptop is included.

Note that there's no mention of Linux support.

That said, let's see that we can do.

Please follow these instructions:

1.
With the reader unplugged from the box, please open a terminal and post the screen output of:

~$ uname -a 

and

~$ lsusb

This will tell us what version of Devuan* you are using and what USB devices are installed in your box/laptop.
* important information you should always post.

2.
Once you have done that, without closing the teminal do ...

~$ sudo dmesg -w

... making a note of the last line of the printout for reference.

Once you have done that, plug in your USB card reader and post the output of the printout after the last line you made a note of.

That will tell us what is happening in the system when you plug in the reader.
ie: if it is recognised or not and if so, the idVendor idProduct numbers.

We'll continue once you have done all that.

Best,

A.

#180 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Brightness module? » 2025-03-10 18:23:08

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

brightness.dpkg-dist is the saved copy of a new config file when the old one was kept in place

Starts to make sense.

/etc/init.d/brightness.dpkg-dist belongs to what is today a Daedalus installation.

But (IIRC) started as Jessie (!) and was dist-upgraded to ASCII and eventually Beowulf.
Then to a backported kernel and when Beowulf was about to be archived, almost directly to Daedalus via Chimaera.
This because the XFCE upgrade in Chimaera generated a totally unusable desktop environment.

I have to say that compared to anything MS branded I have had to deal with, it was smooth as silk.  8^ )

... if you have brightness.dpkg-dist but not brightness, then something is wrong.

I don't recall ever seeing brightness in the list of services printed out by service --status-all, much less messing with debconf which I don't have a clue about.

I checked my Asus 1000HE netbook (runs on a 32bit Chimaera) and service brightness status properly reports current and saved brightness and intel brightness levels and just like in my Chimaera VM, it cannot be stopped or started. But then it is only one LCD monitor, my Daedalus box runs three monitors with two NVidia cards with brightness levels controlled individually via the monitors' screen controls

My guess is that it does not report anything with service brightness status because it is a headless VM.
ie: no monitor.

So the problem (if one at all) would be the lack of a brightness service in my Daedalus installation, situation I cannot account for.
That said, besides the curiosity it generates, I have not experienced any issues.

fsmithred wrote:

Sorry, I have no other answers.

No problem, I look around and see if I catch something worth reporting.
If not, I'll may well leave it at that.

Edit:
I just realised that Daedalus is the first version of Devuan in which I installed the nouveau drivers for my NVidia cards.
Had no choice as there was no clear way to get the OEM drivers working in Linux.

Maybe that has something to do with the module not being present?

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#181 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Brightness module? » 2025-03-10 12:06:47

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:
$ apt-file find init.d/brightness

Yes, I had already found it there.

My Daedalus installation also has it:

~$ locate brightness
/etc/init.d/brightness.dpkg-dist
/etc/systemd/system/brightness.service
--- snip --- 
~$

But it is not a in the service status printout:

~$ sudo service --status-all | grep brightness
 [ ? ]  alsa-utils
 [ ? ]  binfmt-support
 [ ? ]  hwclock.sh
 [ ? ]  kmod
 [ ? ]  lpd
 [ ? ]  mount-configfs
 [ ? ]  networking
 [ ? ]  vboxautostart-service
~$ 

Q1: why do all these other services show up when I am not asking grep to find them?

Then this is the script I find in /etc/init.d:

~$ ls /etc/init.d/ | grep brightness
brightness.dpkg-dist
~$ 

Q2: why it is being started in my Chimaera headless VM but not in my Daedalus desktop installation?

The Chimaera VM does not have the same name for the /etc/init.d/brightness.dpkg-dist script.

root@chimaera:~# ls /etc/init.d | grep brightness
brightness
root@chimaera:~# 

 

The script in the Chimaera VM indicates the usage:

root@chimaera:~# cat /etc/init.d/brightness
#!/bin/sh
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides:          brightness
# Required-Start:    $local_fs
# Required-Stop:     $local_fs
# Default-Start:     S
# Default-Stop:      0 6
# Short-Description: Save and restore brightness level between restarts.
# Description:       This script saves the brightness level between restarts.
#                    It is called from the boot, halt and reboot scripts.
### END INIT INFO

readonly SAVEFILE_PREFIX=/var/lib/initscripts/brightness

. /lib/init/vars.sh
. /lib/lsb/init-functions

do_invoke() {
	local rv=0 rc
	# ACPI (without explicit label)
	do_$1 '' \
	    /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness \
	    /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/max_brightness
	rc=$?
	test $rc -lt $rv || rv=$rc
	# Intel
	do_$1 intel \
	    /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness \
	    /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/max_brightness
	rc=$?
	test $rc -lt $rv || rv=$rc
	# could insert others using the same scheme here
	return $rv
}

do_status() {
	local label=$1 knob=$2 max=$3 file=$SAVEFILE_PREFIX${1:+.$1}
	test -e "$knob" || return 0

	MSG="Current${label:+ $label} brightness level is $(cat "$knob")"
	if test -f "$file"; then
		log_success_msg "${MSG}, saved value is $(cat "$file")"
		return 0
	fi
	log_failure_msg "${MSG}, there is no saved value"
	return 4
}

do_start() {
	local label=$1 knob=$2 max=$3 file=$SAVEFILE_PREFIX${1:+.$1}
	test -e "$knob" || return 0

	test x"$VERBOSE" = x"no" || \
	    log_action_begin_msg Initialising $label brightness level

	if test -f "$file"; then
		cat "$file" >"$knob"
	else
		cat "$max" >"$knob"
	fi
	local rv=$?
	test x"$VERBOSE" = x"no" || log_action_end_msg $rv
	return $rv
}

do_stop() {
	local label=$1 knob=$2 max=$3 file=$SAVEFILE_PREFIX${1:+.$1}
	test -e "$knob" || return 0

	test x"$VERBOSE" = x"no" || \
	    log_action_begin_msg Saving $label brightness level
	cat "$knob" >"$file"
	local rv=$?
	test x"$VERBOSE" = x"no" || log_action_end_msg $rv
	return $rv
}

case $1 in
(start|restart|reload|force-reload)
	do_invoke start
	;;
(stop)
	do_invoke stop
	;;
(status)
	do_invoke status
	;;
(*)
	echo >&2 "Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload|status}"   ##########   <----
	exit 3
	;;
esac
root@chimaera:~#

What is going on?

Best,

A.

#182 Hardware & System Configuration » Brightness module? » 2025-03-10 09:05:32

Altoid
Replies: 9

Hello:

I run Pi-hole in a headless Devuan Chimaera VM in my box:

root@chimaera:~# uname -a
Linux chimaera 5.10.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.70-1 (2021-09-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux
root@chimaera:~# 

The last Pi-hole upgrade (to 6.0.4) had a small issue and I had to remove the apparmor service (which was not running) for the upgrade to complete properly. Jury is still out there as to what was going on so it is a matter to be dealt with in another thread.

The thing is that while going over the service status list I found one which I did not know about and had never seen before:

root@chimaera:~# service --status-all
--- snip ---
 [ - ]  brightness
--- snip ---
root@chimaera:~# 

I have no idea how it got there.

I see it is all over:

root@chimaera:~# locate brightness
/etc/init.d/brightness
/etc/rc0.d/K01brightness
/etc/rc6.d/K01brightness
/etc/rcS.d/S12brightness
/etc/systemd/system/brightness.service
/usr/src/linux-headers-5.10.0-9-amd64/include/config/leds/brightness
/usr/src/linux-headers-5.10.0-9-amd64/include/config/leds/brightness/hw
/usr/src/linux-headers-5.10.0-9-amd64/include/config/leds/brightness/hw/changed.h
root@chimaera:~# 

But this is a headless VM installation and I never installed a desktop.
And it is certainly not a laptop.

The problem is that I cannot get rid of it.
Or do anything with it:

root@chimaera:~# service brightness status
root@chimaera:~# 
root@chimaera:~# service brightness start
root@chimaera:~# 
root@chimaera:~# service brightness stop
root@chimaera:~# 

Where did this come from?
How can I get rid of it?

Best,

A.

#183 Re: Forum Feedback » I can't believe you closed the Joke thread. » 2025-02-28 10:55:11

Hello:

golinux wrote:

Temporarily closing that thread ...

If you were to ask me (which you did not) I'd say it can stay that way.

Camtaf wrote:

No loss ...
... only once looked in to see ...

Yes, same here.
Just once.

I get my dose of humour here.

As always, YMMV.

Best,

A.

#184 News & Announcements » Chrome based browsers and uBlock Origin » 2025-02-24 18:44:28

Altoid
Replies: 35

Hello:

From today's edition of The Register:

Richard Speed @theregister.com wrote:

uBlock Origin dead for many as Google purges Manifest v2 extensions
Chrome ad blocker stopped working? Time to look elsewhere

Best,

A.

#185 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » ddr3 sdram upgrade » 2025-02-24 12:58:39

Hello:

... ddr3 sdram for my old lenovo w530 pc ...

Check the manual, specifically pages 13 and 82.

Edit:
You may also want to read this post at one of the better known thinkpad forums.

Best,

A.

#186 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] sudoers.d file for ifup / ifdown » 2025-02-20 16:56:25

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

... log out and log in ...

Of course ...  8^)

fsmithred wrote:

I use commas ...

You and everyone else knowing how to do this properly.

Solved.
It was the lack of a comma between the commands.

# cat /etc/sudoers.d/user_eth0
groucho ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/ifup eth0, /sbin/ifdown eth0
# 
~$ sudo ifdown eth0
Killed old client process
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.4.3-P1
Copyright 2004-2022 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/

Listening on LPF/eth0/00:14:4f:4a:a2:81
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:14:4f:4a:a2:81
Sending on   Socket/fallback
DHCPRELEASE of 192.168.1.10 on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67
~$ sudo ifup eth0
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.4.3-P1
Copyright 2004-2022 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/

Listening on LPF/eth0/00:14:4f:4a:a2:81
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:14:4f:4a:a2:81
Sending on   Socket/fallback
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5
DHCPOFFER of 192.168.1.10 from 192.168.1.1
DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.10 on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPACK of 192.168.1.10 from 192.168.1.1
/sbin/dhclient-script: 88: cannot create /etc/resolv.conf: Operation not permitted
bound to 192.168.1.10 -- renewal in 13983 seconds.
~$ 

So much then for visudo -c ...  8^°
After all, it is a syntax error.

Thank you very much for your input.

Best,

A.

#187 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] sudoers.d file for ifup / ifdown » 2025-02-20 16:41:28

Hello:

rolfie wrote:

Give that ...

Nope, no dice.

# cat /etc/sudoers.d/user_eth0
groucho ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /sbin/ifup eth0  /sbin/ifdown eth0
# 
~$ sudo ifdown eth0
--- snip ---
Sorry, user groucho is not allowed to execute '/sbin/ifdown eth0' as root on localhost.
~$ 
~$ sudo ifup eth0
--- snip ---
Sorry, user groucho is not allowed to execute '/sbin/ifup eth0' as root on localhost.
~$ 

BTW: found this -> https://hackliza.gal/en/posts/cambiar_dns_linux/ to chew on
Never saw it before, probably because I was looking for /etc/resolv.conf in relation to connman or network-manager.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#188 Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] sudoers.d file for ifup / ifdown » 2025-02-20 13:31:15

Altoid
Replies: 4

Hello:

Finally got fed up and decided to ditch connman and as there is no WiCD for the foreseable future (if there is such a thing), went for the time proven ifup / ifdown solution.

One less layer of abstraction or so it is said, can't be a bad thing.

To test things out, I disabled connman, checked all settings and verified that ifup eth0 and ifdown eth0 (as root) worked properly.
My cable connection comes up at boot time as expected.

But at one point I realised that, in spite of what my /etc/resolv.conf file read, I was back at my ISPs cable provider's DNS, so I ran chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf and that was it. Evidently ditching connman was not the solution.

And (by chance) I was actually able to verify it:

1. take down the connection:

# /sbin/ifdown eth0
Killed old client process
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.4.3-P1
Copyright 2004-2022 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/

Listening on LPF/eth0/00:14:4f:4a:a2:81
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:14:4f:4a:a2:81
Sending on   Socket/fallback
DHCPRELEASE of 192.168.1.10 on eth0 to 192.168.1.1 port 67
# 
[code]

2. bring up the connection:

[/code]
# /sbin/ifup eth0
Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.4.3-P1
Copyright 2004-2022 Internet Systems Consortium.
All rights reserved.
For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/

Listening on LPF/eth0/00:14:4f:4a:a2:81
Sending on   LPF/eth0/00:14:4f:4a:a2:81
Sending on   Socket/fallback
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 3
DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 6
DHCPOFFER of 192.168.1.10 from 192.168.1.1
DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.1.10 on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67
DHCPACK of 192.168.1.10 from 192.168.1.1

/sbin/dhclient-script: 88: cannot create /etc/resolv.conf: Operation not permitted  ### WTHF is *this*?

bound to 192.168.1.10 -- renewal in 12402 seconds.
# 

Obviously, chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf was working properly.

I then opened up /sbin/dhclient-script to have a look.
Not in any way script savvy but this part of it immediately called my attention:

--- snip ---
# update /etc/resolv.conf based on received values     <---- #######?
  make_resolv_conf() {
      local new_resolv_conf
--- snip ---

According to jed, the whole snippet would be from line 39 to line 125 and it would seem (?) to be the routine that constantly overwrites /etc/resolv.conf.

Anyone have an idea on this?
I thought that disabling the connman service would be a solution but ...

But I digress ...
In order to avoid having to bring down the connection without being root, I made a file in /etc/sudoers.d:

# cat /etc/sudoers.d/user_eth0
groucho ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/ifup eth0  /sbin/ifdown eth0
#

But it does not work and I don't understand why.

~$ sudo ifup
--- snip ---
Sorry, user groucho is not allowed to execute '/sbin/ifup' as root on localhost.
~$
~$ sudo ifdown
--- snip ---
Sorry, user groucho is not allowed to execute '/sbin/ifdown' as root on localhost.
~$

The file syntax is correct:

# visudo -c
--- snip ---
/etc/sudoers.d/user_eth0: parsed OK
--- snip ---
#

I then checked and saw that /sbin/ifup is a (dynamically linked) executable and that /sbin/ifdown is a symbolic link to /sbin/ifup but I have no idea how to get around that.

That said, I'd appreciate pointers on how to get the /etc/sudoers.d file working.

Best,

A.

#189 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan Daedalus: /i386-pc/normal.mod not found » 2025-02-19 18:48:04

Hello:

Update:

Altoid wrote:

... no way of knowing what caused the sudden death ...

Before opening it up, I decided to have a forensic look at the failed USB stick.

Always reported in dmesg as a Kingston DataTraveler 2.0 device, after going south it was reported as a GENERIC USB Mass Storage device, but there was also idVendor and idProduct data which I had not had a close look at.

--- snip ---
[12061.088773] usb 2-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 18 using xhci_hcd
[12061.216524] usb 2-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=0c76, idProduct=0005, bcdDevice= 1.00
[12061.216531] usb 2-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[12061.216535] usb 2-1.3: Product: USB Mass Storage
[12061.216538] usb 2-1.3: Manufacturer: GENERIC
[12061.221201] usb-storage 2-1.3:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[12061.221381] scsi host8: usb-storage 2-1.3:1.0
[12062.249584] scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access     GENERIC  USB Mass Storage 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 4 CCS
[12062.249852] scsi 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0
[12062.250232] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdg] Media removed, stopped polling
[12062.250651] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdg] Attached SCSI removable disk
--- snip ---

According to devicehunt.com:

idVendor=0c76    -> JMTek, LLC.
idProduct=0005    -> Transcend Flash disk

Not Kingston hardware.
Or so it would seem.

Unfortunately I don't have a complete dmesg printout for the USB stick before it failed, so I cannot say if it was reported with the proper id* codes but I am absolutely sure that it was reported as a Kingston DataTraveler 2.0 device and these should have been idVendor=0951, idProduct=1665.

So there may be a good chance that the dead USB stick may have not been a genuine Kingston device, hence its early? demise.
All I can say for it is that it worked perfectly well for many years.

Best,

A.

#190 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Loading unneeded modules? » 2025-02-11 16:57:40

Hello:

stopAI wrote:

... read Debian wiki ...

No need, I know how to blacklist a kernel module.
My question was not "how to blacklist a module" but how to I could find out why these modules are being loaded.

Because whatever EEPROM resides in my box* is ID'd as read-only and I have never had  a joystick attached/installed.
* same box since ~ 2015, running on Devuan since ~ 2017

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#191 Hardware & System Configuration » Loading unneeded modules? » 2025-02-11 15:35:59

Altoid
Replies: 2

Hello:

Running on Devuan Daedalus:

~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 6.1.0-31-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.128-1 (2025-02-07) x86_64 GNU/Linux
~$ 

At boot, dmesg prints out this:

~$ sudo dmesg
--- snip ---
[   24.257488] at24 0-0050: supply vcc not found, using dummy regulator
[   24.260227] at24 0-0050: 256 byte spd EEPROM, read-only
[   24.260817] at24 0-0051: supply vcc not found, using dummy regulator
--- snip ---
[   24.263031] at24 0-0051: 256 byte spd EEPROM, read-only
[   24.263475] at24 0-0052: supply vcc not found, using dummy regulator
[   24.264991] at24 0-0052: 256 byte spd EEPROM, read-only
[   24.265389] at24 0-0053: supply vcc not found, using dummy regulator
[   24.266865] at24 0-0053: 256 byte spd EEPROM, read-only
~$ 

And lsmod prints out this:

~$ lsmod
--- snip ---
joydev                 28672  0
--- snip ---
at24                   28672  0
--- snip ---
~$ lsmod

From what I understand (?) the at24 cannot be used in my system.
ie: 256 byte spd EEPROM, read-only

The kernel config file says ...

~$ cat /boot/config-6.1.0-31-amd64 | grep -i at24
CONFIG_EEPROM_AT24=m
~$ 

... that it is loaded as a module.

Same as joydev:

~$ cat /boot/config-6.1.0-31-amd64 | grep -i joydev
CONFIG_INPUT_JOYDEV=m
~$ 

The MB surely has an EEPROM, albeit read-only which the installer probably cannot ID as such.

With respect to joydev, I looked it up and it seems to be for joystick support which I don't need.
How can I find out if something in my box uses it?

If possible, I would like to keep those unused modules from loading.

Best,

A.

#192 Off-topic » Microcode » 2025-02-10 18:31:55

Altoid
Replies: 1

Hello:

A very interesting opinion article from The Register.

Rupert Goodwins @The Register wrote:

The biggest microcode attack in our history is underway
When your state machines are vulnerable, all bets are off

Best,

A.

#193 Re: Installation » Unable to install from the Excalibur netinstall ISO » 2025-02-05 11:50:40

Hello:

Lauwenmark wrote:

... result of using the ISO netinstall image ...

I recently had a very hard time with a couple of netinstall *.iso images, devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_netinstall.iso and daedalus/devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso while attempting to install a basic Devuan to a small capacity USB stick.

Have a read here to see how I finally managed to get it done.
Dev1 admin's help was crucial, no way I would have found a way out of the problem I was having.

The thing is that (IMO) the Debian installer (not forked by Devuan) definitely has something wrong with it.
I seriously doubt the Debian devs will do anything about it.

I assume that you have already tried basic dd'ing the *.iso to a USB stick (no Ventoy, etc.), with the usual precautions.
ie: *.iso file SHA256SUM prior to burning to USB and installation media check before proceding with the installation.

I so, check here to see the process which allowed me to get the installer to start working.
And even so, it refused to write GRUB to the indicated location so I had to reboot the installer, drop to rescue mode and install it by hand.

While my box is a standard BIOS boot / non-UEFI workstation, it may solve your problem.

Please keep us posted on how you fare with this.

Best,

A.

#194 Re: Off-topic » Statement regarding X community » 2025-01-30 23:07:05

Hello:

@fsmithred:
I think the OP makes reference to X (the social media thing) and Debian Publicity's presence there.
Not the X Window System we all love and cherish.

@blackhole:
+1

Best,

A.

#195 Re: Devuan » Update of Devuan causes VirtualBox shared folder corruption » 2025-01-28 22:35:01

Hello:

Welcome to Dev1.

dftd wrote:

... using Chimaera (within VirtualBox on Win 10 system) ...

You run a Win10 box + VirtualBox 7.0 to run Devuan Chimaera VM?

It is not quite clear to me where the problem lies but it would seem that it is with VirtualBox.
If the issues are indeed with VirtualBox, I'd say that it is something to ask about either in a Win10 or VBox forum.

That said, you may want to consider running a Devuan box + VirtualBox and then drop in whatever VM you want to run.
I would not trust any MSOS box to run my VMs in, but maybe that's just me getting old. 8^°

As always, YMMV.

I have been running VirtualBox in my Devuan installations to host three VMs since Devuan ascii: W98 for a pair of applications I cannot replace and two Devuan Linux, one to run a PiHole+ a recursive DNS and another for testing purposes and such.

Never had any problems.

Best,

A.

Edit: do take 5' to read this article.

#196 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan Daedalus: /i386-pc/normal.mod not found » 2025-01-22 11:38:49

Hello:

Update

@ralph.ronnquist

I went through the whole process again, exactly as detailed in my previous post.
As before, every part of the installer priming process worked exactly as you said it would, the result being as reported.

The only differences were that this time I used another (smaller) *.iso file (devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_netinstall.iso) and the target was the 4GB SDCard in a USB/SDCard adapter.

The installer was burned to the 8Gb Kingston DataTraveller 2.0 stick to risk only the low capacity SD card in case things went awry again.
The target SDCard was previously cleared, repatitioned and formatted to EXT-4 with the filesystem checked via gparted on my box.   

It was interesting to see that the EFI partition for this *.iso file is only 754 KB, a sharp contrast with the one in the daedalus/devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso which has grown to a huge 23 MB.

Which begs the question: bloated by over 30X and on account of exactly what?

---

With everything as expected ...

    The Kingston DataTraveller 2.0 stick SD card, as listed by disks:

---
    Partition 1
    Size: 390 MB (390070272 bytes)
    Contents: ISO 9660 (version Joliet Extension) — Mounted at /media/groucho/Devuan 4.0
    Device: /dev/sdc1
    Partition Type: 0x00 (bootable)

    Partition 2
    Size: 754 KB -- 25 KB
    Contents: FAT (16-bit version) —  Mounted at /media/groucho/7E06-DA56
    Device: /dev/sdc2
    UUID: 7E06-DA56
    Partition Type: W95 FAT32 (LBA)

    Free Space: 3.4 GB

    Success:
    Partition 1 has retained its ISO9660 signature and Devuan 4.0 label.
---

... I went ahead with the installation as before, taking the usual precautions (*.iso file SHA256SUM and installation media check).
Everything worked as expected but the installer (as every other time) did not write GRUB where it was pointed to.

So I rebooted my box with the installer, dropped into rescue mode and not without some trepidation, installed GRUB to the target SDCard.

This time it worked.  8^)
Thank you ralph.ronnquist !

I was able to boot into a minimal Devuan Chimaera from which I now need to weed out all unnecessary applications and files.

Comments

I have no way of knowing what caused the sudden death of my 16Gb Kingston DataTraveller 2.0 (as described in another post).
It could could well be that it had been written to just one to many times.
Happens.

That said, the 8Gb Kingston DataTraveller 2.0 I used at the installer media this time has been in use for at least two/three years longer and it is still going strong.

One thing I can say is that the Debian installer in use at the moment by Devuan is not fit for purpose.
At least not for installing to a USB stick from a non-UEFI box to be used in a non-UEFI box.

Granted, mine may be a bit of a corner case: a user with a ca. 2007 Sun Ultra 24 WS which works perfectly well and does not have UEFI.
And absolutely no need for any forseeable hardware upgrades, save maybe a monitor or a drive.

This thread has had almost 900 views and no one has had much to say about the specifics exposed in it, so it would seem that I am indeed in a corner.

I cannot say for sure that this happens with every Devuan installer *.iso as I decided to use an older one because of its smaller size and the smaller size of the installation.

ie:
Devuan Chimaera netinstall *.iso: 372.00 MB - UEFI installer: 00.754 MB
Devuan Daedalus netinstall *.iso: 477.80 MB - UEFI installer:  23.00  MB

30X more code has been added to the UEFI partition on the road between Chimaera and Daedalus.

Does anyone really know exactly what all that added code does?

Today it is a 'bug' preventing a non-UEFI installation in a USB stick with a lot of hoops to jump through.
Tomorrow it may well be another 'bug' preventing a non-UEFI installation on a hard drive without certain 'characteristics'.
From there to not being able to install Linux on a non-UEFI box there is just a bit more MB of bloat in the installer's UEFI partition.

My sincere thanks to ralph.ronnquist for his knowledge (and patience) both of which are greatly appreciated.

Best,

A.

#197 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan Daedalus: /i386-pc/normal.mod not found » 2025-01-21 10:48:08

Hello:

... oldish cards or drives can't deal with GPT partition table ...

Nice way to generate landfill.
And force compliance.

... check that by trying again with the first card but then make sure to create a DOS table on it before partitioning.

The USB stick I used as the installation target had been previously partitioned and formatted on my main Daedalus box using gparted.

To do so, I first deleted all previous partitions by first formatting them as cleared then deleting them and creating a new ms-dos partiton table prior to partitioning and formatting as required. ie: / and an extended partition with a logical /home and /swap.

/ and /home filesystems were checked and passed.

So the installer had no hand in all that, on installation I chose both the drive and the partitions to be used.

Use expert mode with activated lowest possible priority level, or perhaps use ctrl-f2 shell and fdisk

I'm sorry, you lost me there.

Use the installer to partition and format the target SDCard?

... usb sticks that don't support boot setup ...

I recall having used the dead Kingston USB stick as a boot disk (no EFI) at some time or another.
No problem.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Best,

A.

#198 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan Daedalus: /i386-pc/normal.mod not found » 2025-01-21 09:59:29

Hello:

... try to install onto that third partition of the installer USB ...

No.

But it seems that I have not expressed myself correctly.
My apologies.

The installer USB is a 4Gb SD Card using a USB/SDCard adapter.
Works without issues.

The destination USB stick is a Kingston DataTraveller 16Gb USB2.0 which was ID'd as such by the installer all through the installation process, the last instance being when I selected it as the destination for GRUB.

Every part of the installer (ie: the 4GB SDCard) priming process worked exactly as you said it would, the result being as reported in a previous post:

Altoid wrote:

The SD card, as listed by disks:

Partition 1
Size: 478 MB (478150656 bytes)
Contents: ISO 9660 (version Joliet Extension) — Mounted at /media/groucho/DEVUAN501
Device: /dev/sdc1
Partition Type: 0x00 (bootable)

Partition 2
Size: 23 MB (22507520 bytes)
Contents: FAT (16-bit version) — Not Mounted
Device: /dev/sdc2
UUID: FAE4-C64A
Partition Type: W95 FAT32 (LBA)

Free Space: 3.4 GB

Success:
Partition 1 has retained its ISO9660 signature and DEVUAN501 label.

The installer (ie: the 4GB SDCard) booted exactly as expected, passed the integrity check and went through the entire process without any issue whatsoever.

I have another one of these, a Kingston DataTraveller 8GB USB 2.0 stick I could try this out with or maybe another 4Gb SDCard and use the Kingston as the installer media.

It could well be that the previous Kingston USB stick failed because it was at EOL.
Or not, cannot say.

Let me know what you think.

Best,

A.

#199 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan Daedalus: /i386-pc/normal.mod not found » 2025-01-21 02:58:30

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

... if the installer works as expected.
... and screwing everything up in the process.

An incredibly accurate description of what transpired.

After, clearing and reformatting a 14Gb USB stick, I booted the installer and after selecting language, keyboard and checking the installation media, continued with no issues.

Once the installation was finished, I rebooted my box and F8'ed my way into the boot menu where I selected the USB stick to boot from.

I felt something was not right when the boot menu listed the USB stick as 'Generic USB Mass Storage' instead of 'Kingston DataTraveller 2.0'.
And wrong it was: my box did not boot into the system installed on the USB stick but into its own system.
ie: no OS by the BIOS

"No matter, we've been here before.
I'll just boot into rescue, install GRUB and see what happens" I said to myself.

File manager showed me nothing so I checked with dmesg and there is was:

[  ] usb 4-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 4 using xhci_hcd
[  ] usb 4-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=0c76, idProduct=0005, bcdDevice= 1.00
[  ] usb 4-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[  ] usb 4-1.3: Product: USB Mass Storage
[  ] usb 4-1.3: Manufacturer: GENERIC 
[  ] usb-storage 4-1.3:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected
[  ] scsi host7: usb-storage 4-1.3:1.0
[  ] scsi 7:0:0:0: Direct-Access     GENERIC  USB Mass Storage 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 4 CCS
[  ] sd 7:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[  ] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Media removed, stopped polling        
[  ] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk

But the 'Media removed' bit did not look good.

I then checked with fdisk ...

# fdisk /dev/sdc -l
fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: No medium found
# 

... and with blkid:

# blkid | grep sdc
# 

gparted does not register /dev/sdc and disks sees it as No Media.

I'd say the installer got angry and nuked the USB stick.

No Media is what I get from disks when I plug in a USB/SD Card adapter with no card inserted.

A USB/SD Card adapter with no card inserted gets the same response from dmesg and fdisk as what I am getting with the USB stick.

It is important to note that the installaton started and continued till the end without issues, selecting the USB stick as destination (/dev/sdc) for GRUB which was correctly identified as 'Kingston DataTraveller 2.0'.

So up to that point, things were looking quite normal.

---
Something is definitely wrong with the installer, the worst that should have happened is that the installation failed.
What has to be done to nuke a USB stick in this manner?

I'll see what testdisk says.

Any ideas?

Best,

A.

#200 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan Daedalus: /i386-pc/normal.mod not found » 2025-01-20 23:26:40

Hello:

Update

... get this done today ...

Right.

# dd if=/media/storage/isos/daedalus/devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso of=/dev/sdc skip=1 seek=1 conv=notrunc
978559+0 records in
978559+0 records out
501022208 bytes (501 MB, 478 MiB) copied, 183.526 s, 2.7 MB/s
#

The SD card, as listed by disks:

Partition 1
Size: 478 MB (478150656 bytes)
Contents: ISO 9660 (version Joliet Extension) — Mounted at /media/groucho/DEVUAN501
Device: /dev/sdc1
Partition Type: 0x00 (bootable)

Partition 2
Size: 23 MB (22507520 bytes)
Contents: FAT (16-bit version) — Not Mounted
Device: /dev/sdc2
UUID: FAE4-C64A
Partition Type: W95 FAT32 (LBA)

Free Space: 3.4 GB

Success:
Partition 1 has retained its ISO9660 signature and DEVUAN501 label.
Thank you for that.

Now to see if the installer works as expected.
ie: instead of assuming that my box has a UEFI BIOS and screwing everything up in the process.

Best,

A.

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