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@ Nili, very nice simple icons, Simply-Black-Circles! Thanks
cheers
zephyr
Thank you zephyr, Indeed Simply-Black-Circles are my current icons packages. I use this icons package because they're just plain & simple.
There was a glitch issue for Devuan, the author made the fix possible so i can enjoy this package on Devuan.
I luv it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#systembsd
Not an official effort though: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=141135403820631&w=2
I'm glad i was wrong, because in BSD i see myself there more than Linux, although i am enjoying traveling on Alpine board atm.
At the moment the systemd package has a hard dependency on glibc and the corporate overlords are only really interested in maintaining the Linux dominance in the server & supercomputer markets. I don't think the Linux Foundation gives a crap about the desktop 'cos all the users are freeloading deadbeats. LOL.
Even i don't mind much about them until there is an open door.
I'm glad aswell there are still minimalistic distro for some that like to tinker a bit.
Thanks for the links, worth reading
Well, I know what's would be one day, I foresee it. I come from a time when things were different, limited but clean on table. For me it was the best time to use Linux OS. I feels more comfortable with then Linux or OS.
Day by day we lose control in something. Whatever systemd does now, Windows or MACOS have done for years. If i need something of those i'll use both gladly for different tasks.
Now someone (individual, or corporate) somewhere want's to make Linux systems ALL THE POSSIBLE part of evolution, or let say MAC or WINDOWS clone or rival because this move will make it better for the masses they'll do everything possible. I'm no one to stop them, i will only stop myself for using it.
They would have done better making something from scratch Instead of making layer over layers their data on existing system or systems.
I never talked about systemd anywhere bad or good. Today my cup fills me, those new existed but extended features that settle almost a month, Purge the old when the time comes on demand. Old is seen as enemy on eyes of some. I personally do not like it.
However until there are OS'es that do not accept this phenomenon, I will be on Linux wings, I'm afraid one day the systemd tentacle will extends on other systems like BSD, MAC or even Windows. I believe they will try hard, I have heard that they are interested in BSD. LOL
Sorry, i may sound as a rant, I did not want to turn it into war-systemd thread, well for many people those layer features of systemd are needed, let them taste, I have other goals myself.
Respects!
I will never use that worm on this life. I've been using it for a year at Debian, I know pretty much it will control the whole system soon or later.
That worm is the other face of svchost.exe nothing more nothing less.
Thank God there are still OS uninfected. Alpine, Crux, Gentoo, Void. There are BSD or Haiku OS.
So far, i have tried Alpine, Crux & Void. Of these three, I was very pleased by their installations, performance and the ability to create a clarity and honest system.
Here's the latest infection from the parasite.
I wish that Devuan would become a complete Independent of Debian one day. That would be a joyous event for me.
@zephyr thanks for your review to both WM's. I'm a bit aware of history of those. I know Openbox since #!. I'm not denying that I didn't know enough about Fluxbox, but looking at PackRat's scrots intrigued me a lot about Fluxbox.
Always wanted to do something for Flux, but in the end I was never satisfied. And so back to Openbox. Currently i took it more seriously so now I'm with both feets on Fluxbox.
I also have used a lot tile like spectrwm or herbstluftwm. I had so much fun tinkering those two aswell. Those are the lighter ones after dwm.
Agree Fluxbox is more easy than complex xml of Openbox, However, I had used to adjust xml of Openbox very easy with a simple text editor or nano. Yeah, Fluxbox is a lot more easy to config, each setting is separated as a text so it's just fine.
I love tweaking the menu, i just did a simple ones right now (see below), haven't had any issue till now, i always backup before i start tweaking in case anything stall.
Also i love to play with init, i find it very simple even on this one hadn't any concern so far, maybe because i'm not doing anything crazy but i like to explore with init's of others just to check what can i do.
I don't like to use other toolbars on Fluxbox, if i want to check or use toolbars, i'll go for Tint2+Openbox or PekWM+fbpanel or other couples
I like to have Fluxbox raw in his way.
Y\W and thanks so much for your advice
@Ogis1975 Thanks bro
Just some other tweaks, early i used only top rounded, Now top and bottom seems better roundcorners.
menu.roundCorners: TopRight TopLeft BottomRight BottomLeft
Also i like having pseudoTtansparency active, so i have those fake transparent on title bar or rootmenu.
session.forcePseudoTransparency: true
Apps used: rxvt-unicode+tmux, feh, deadbeef. I use a few xero's codes, he's really some kind of genius.
Best regards!
Thanks for the link!
Awesome screenie too, love Fluxbox!
This link for Fluxbox styles has been around for quite a while, has been a great source for styles. Please disregard if this is old news for you!
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zephyr
Y/w zephyr, I started to love Fluxbox with all my modest potential. I've been a while with Openbox that is greatest stack WM, but Fluxbox to me seems a bit more potential, more features, more lighter on resources, more lighter on actions. So why should i miss this opportunity to use it both in parallel?
Thanks for the link aswell, no isn't new i have seen before, but been looking for it since a few days without finding anywhere. I was wasting my time mostly @ box-look not too pleased. tenr.de looks a completed ones. Very professional, i can use their themes for my enjoyment frequently.
Thanks for your feedback and congrat for your warehouse of distros. We share a lot in common.
Best Regards!
Nowdays even the base install ISO's are getting fatter by Debian/Linux or Apps unfortunately.
However, there are still minimalistic ISO for testing purpose.
Devuan 1 (Jessie) i686
Mem: 217MB / 2GB
X @ 6.7MB (striped to very minimum) for an old 2007 hardware.
I have in use for 12 years and still is strong for nowdays tasks.
After starting startx, fake busy...
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hello nili, i'm devuan
distro Devuan GNU/Linux
upt 11 min
packages 445
gfon Ubuntu 12
wm openbox-session
cpu 2% ━──────────────
vol 28% ━━━━━──────────
ram 7% ━━─────────────
tmp 54°c ━━━━━━━━━──────
#! nili ~ $
#! nili ~ $ pstree
init─┬─hddtemp
├─login───startx───xinit─┬─Xorg
│ └─openbox─┬─compton
│ ├─conky───9*[{conky}]
│ ├─deadbeef-gtkui─┬─{deadbeef-alsa}
│ │ ├─{deadbeef-artwor}
│ │ ├─{deadbeef-gtkui-}
│ │ ├─{deadbeef-hotkey}
│ │ ├─3*[{deadbeef-main}]
│ │ ├─{deadbeef-server}
│ │ └─{deadbeef-stream}
│ ├─obconf
│ ├─obmenu
│ ├─spacefm
│ ├─tint2
│ ├─x-terminal-emul───bash───pstree
│ └─x-www-browser─┬─{Cache I/O}
│ ├─{Cache2 I/O}
│ ├─{Compositor}
│ ├─{DNS Resolver #1}
│ ├─{DOM Worker}
│ ├─3*[{DataStorage}]
│ ├─{Gecko_IOThread}
│ ├─{HTML5 Parser}
│ ├─{Hang Monitor}
│ ├─{IPDL Background}
│ ├─{ImageBridgeChil}
│ ├─{ImageIO}
│ ├─{ImgDecoder #1}
│ ├─{ImgDecoder #2}
│ ├─6*[{JS Helper}]
│ ├─{JS Watchdog}
│ ├─{Link Monitor}
│ ├─{Proxy R~olution}
│ ├─{Socket Thread}
│ ├─{SoftwareVsyncTh}
│ ├─{Timer}
│ ├─{gmain}
│ ├─{localStorage DB}
│ ├─{mozStorage #1}
│ ├─{mozStorage #2}
│ ├─{mozStorage #3}
│ ├─{mozStorage #4}
│ └─{mozStorage #5}
└─udevd
#! nili ~ $ psmem
Password:
Private + Shared = RAM used Program
176.0 KiB + 75.5 KiB = 251.5 KiB startx
192.0 KiB + 106.0 KiB = 298.0 KiB init
172.0 KiB + 145.5 KiB = 317.5 KiB xinit
372.0 KiB + 71.5 KiB = 443.5 KiB hddtemp
380.0 KiB + 357.5 KiB = 737.5 KiB su
516.0 KiB + 315.5 KiB = 831.5 KiB login
768.0 KiB + 523.0 KiB = 1.3 MiB compton
1.3 MiB + 152.5 KiB = 1.4 MiB udevd
1.3 MiB + 221.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB bash
1.2 MiB + 558.0 KiB = 1.8 MiB conky
1.9 MiB + 2.1 MiB = 4.0 MiB tint2
6.6 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 7.8 MiB x-terminal-emulator
5.1 MiB + 3.4 MiB = 8.5 MiB spacefm
6.1 MiB + 2.8 MiB = 8.9 MiB openbox
5.5 MiB + 6.0 MiB = 11.5 MiB obconf
7.8 MiB + 4.9 MiB = 12.7 MiB Xorg
12.1 MiB + 3.9 MiB = 15.9 MiB obmenu
14.8 MiB + 4.5 MiB = 19.3 MiB deadbeef-gtkui
116.5 MiB + 3.2 MiB = 119.7 MiB x-www-browser
---------------------------------
217.2 MiB
=================================
#! nili ~ $
EDIT: I made a strike at SpaceFM netinstall from ignorantguru.github.
I successfully made out to the latest version without dbus also minus few features (--disable-desktop-integration --disable-video-thumbnails --disable-startup-notification) during compiling spacefm.
This is Double Solved! Thread for me.
No more "libsystemd0" inside, except a few "systemd" folders on system installed from early ISO setup.
We've been told to leave them alone, but i wish those folders doesn't exist..
I also cleaned my $USER from sudo and purged sudo in favor of "su". Re done all sudo aliases to su aswell.
This old desktop is a bit cleaned tho, just ready to be closed in a garage or museum to use a better ones that i just bought it.
Other edit: I sorted the info needed.
Thank you.
Nili
That's awesome. Nice work!
@Panopticon You do not know him enough or properly, so you speaks so.
libsystemd0 is no longer present in beowulf thanks to changes in libelogind.
Ok that's a good news for beowulf, but if they were to remove dependencies of libsystemd0 to dbus, (jessie) would take some breath.
I'm not ready for beowulf at the moment.
Hi fsmithred, thanks for your input regarding different candidate versions of a package + other opinions/suggestions.
I'm glad if Dbus will be devuanized. I don't like to have libsystemd0 installed.
I mentioned it above my version, however it is
DISTRIBUTION: Devuan GNU/Linux 1 (jessie) i686
Dbus is:
dbus:
Installed: 1.8.20-1+devuan1.1
Candidate: 1.8.22-0+deb8u2
Version table:
1.8.22-0+deb8u2 0
500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security/main i386 Packages
*** 1.8.20-1+devuan1.1 0
500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main i386 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
I don't have aptitude, i only use apt, yes i know Devuan 1 come with aptitude, but i have removed once I was doing spring cleaning.
APT is enough for me.
Thanks for the link about no dbus usage, it's good to have a chance to use system without it, I'd like to try, but not on my current hardware/OS because it's too old to mess.
Edit: fixed grammar, also add dbus apt-cache policy.
Hello! I just noted an update for dbus package that has been kept back from upgrading.
[sudo] password for nili:
Get:1 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie InRelease [21.8 kB]
Get:2 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie-security InRelease [21.2 kB]
Get:3 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie-updates InRelease [21.8 kB]
Get:4 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie/main i386 Packages [6,877 kB]
Get:5 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie-security/main i386 Packages [643 kB]
Get:6 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie-updates/main i386 Packages [732 B]
Ign http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie/main Translation-en
Ign http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie-security/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie-security/main Translation-en
Ign http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie-updates/main Translation-en_US
Ign http://auto.mirror.devuan.org jessie-updates/main Translation-en
Fetched 7,585 kB in 19s (391 kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
#! nili ~ $ upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
dbus
The following packages will be upgraded:
libdbus-1-3
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 182 kB of archives.
After this operation, 37.9 kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
To see what's going on, i stimulated "-s dist-upgrade" I saw that "libsystemd0" was trying to say hello to me.
#! nili ~ $ sudo apt-get -s dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
libsystemd0
The following packages will be upgraded:
dbus libdbus-1-3
2 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Inst libdbus-1-3 [1.8.20-1+devuan1.1] (1.8.22-0+deb8u2 Devuan-Security:1.0/oldstable-security [i386])
Inst libsystemd0 (215-17+deb8u13 Devuan-Security:1.0/oldstable-security [i386])
Inst dbus [1.8.20-1+devuan1.1] (1.8.22-0+deb8u2 Devuan-Security:1.0/oldstable-security [i386])
Conf libdbus-1-3 (1.8.22-0+deb8u2 Devuan-Security:1.0/oldstable-security [i386])
Conf libsystemd0 (215-17+deb8u13 Devuan-Security:1.0/oldstable-security [i386])
Conf dbus (1.8.22-0+deb8u2 Devuan-Security:1.0/oldstable-security [i386])
#! nili ~ $
Not far from yesterday, Debian released an security-update regarding dbus. I have stopped upgrading, for any confirmation from someone who has more clue.
I haven't installed libsystemd0 since my first NETINST of this system back in DATE: 2017-02-09 08:03
Other weird, perhaps mish mash I noticed there are two different candidate version for libsystemd0 on Jessie stable.
#! nili ~ $ apt-cache policy libsystemd0
libsystemd0:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 215-17+deb8u13
Version table:
215-17+deb8u13 0
500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security/main i386 Packages
215-17+deb8u7 0
500 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main i386 Packages
#! nili ~ $
Err, i don't like dbus at all.
APT source list i 'm using...
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main
Perhaps i must change/hide anything on "auto.mirror.devuan" source list?
I am still on Devuan 1 Jessie (stable)
Kind Regards!
@Ogis1975 Thank you for the kind words.
I have more older in use, Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2180 @ 2.00GHz. In your case i would prefer x64, if you're not happy with results watch out the other option.
I liked the April Fools' Day
Very nice Panopticon
Been using #! since 2013 until it finished, then I went to BunsenLabs, LinuxBBQ, Debian, Debian NetInst actually Devuan.
NETINST is my fav installation.
So, i have been an ex#! (alse one of the Club 100 ). The users there have been remarkable.
If indeed that "clarification" is a correct conclusion. LOLOL!! In any case we both updated and seem to have survived so onward . . .
Addressing to lists.dyne was a kind of clarity for me.
Because I was looking for a Devuan reliable source. I think so too, upgrading APT somehow relaxed my mind
BR,
Nili