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#1701 Re: Installation » Problem with *.iso file » 2019-11-20 20:00:50

Hello:

czeekaj wrote:

... to start with a minimal install ...

Same here.

czeekaj wrote:

... verifying the check sum seemed to match ...

It has to match exacly.
Seemed won't do. 

Just pulling your leg ...   =-D

czeekaj wrote:

Not sure what went wrong.

In my limited experience, the first check you do is on the *.iso file you downloaded.

Then you do a check on ther file burned on the CD/DVD or USB.

I found a way to do this here:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/547332/ … -boot-disk

URL wrote:

To check the integrity of a usb boot disk, first find the size of the iso image with

stat -c '%s' imagename.iso

This will output an image size which you can enter in place of <imagesize> in the command below.
The next command sends (through a pipe) all bytes corresponding to the size of the image to the md5sum command:

sudo head -c <imagesize> /dev/sdb1 | md5sum

You can compare this with the md5sum of your .iso file.

md5sum imagename.iso

If md5sums are different then there was an issue while copying the data.
If md5sums are the same, you have successfully checked data integrity on your usb disk!

The third and final step is to boot the installaiton *.iso and run a check on the installation media itself with the tool available in the menu.
Although, as we have seen in this thread, it can sometimes give a false positive.

Cheers,

A.

#1702 Re: Installation » Problem with *.iso file » 2019-11-19 15:44:32

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

... 2.1 minimal-live isos both have the same isolinux.bin.

OK.

fsmithred wrote:

... amd64 and i386 are both built using the same xorriso/mkisofs command.

OK.

fsmithred wrote:

... desktop-live i386 and amd64 use slightly different commands ...

OK.

It's all rather over my head/pay grade.
Eventually, I guess ...

fsmithred wrote:

... surprised that the isolinux.bin in the 2.1 minimal-lives are the same as the 2.0.0 you posted.

f03d6ecc57dad4524a0cab76b7afab41

I computed them in a teminal so it would be hard to make a typo and checked the values twice.

A coincidence?
 
This isolinux.bin only came up because of my checking the installation media with the install's verification routine.
The *.iso file was intact after download and was correctly written to media.

But as you pointed out, the issue did not come up in the 2.0.0 *.isos because isolinux.bin was not in the respective md5sum.txt file. 
It was not scanned, ergo no error was computed.   =-)

fsmithred wrote:

... problem with installing software is not related to isolinux.bin. Sometimes the installer fails ...

Agreed ...
As I mentioned in my email, due to a USB stick with not enough space.

I suppose then that all is well?

Thanks for taking the time to look into this.

Best,

A.

#1703 Re: Installation » Problem with *.iso file » 2019-11-19 10:14:57

Hello:

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... took the easy way out and excluded isolinux.bin from the md5sum.txt file.

Maybe not the easy way out.
It probably slipped past them.

Now it has to get fixed, somehow.

Has it been the same with previous versions?

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... one way to avoid a false negative

Indeed ...  8^* !

That with respect to the 2.0.0 *.isos.

But with respect to the 2.1 *.isos, if the 2.1_amd64 version is supposed to be the same (?) as the 2.1_i386 version, why are they different? (ie: produce different md5sums)
ie: I'm assuming that they are the *exact* same file because they are not arch specific, as fsmithred pointed out earlier.

This would imply (?) that whatever happened to the original source file was affected differently when going through the process of compiling the respective *.iso.
Am I making sense here?

The plot seems to thicken ... 

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Edit:

This is the data I have wrt some ascii 2.0.0 isos I have in storage:

ascii_2.0.0_i386_netinst.iso

groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$ md5sum isolinux.bin
b6838c8e3c68b64b813cfab7ea0a200e  isolinux.bin
groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$

devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_minimal-live.iso

groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$ md5sum isolinux.bin
f03d6ecc57dad4524a0cab76b7afab41  isolinux.bin
groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/2/isolinux$

devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_dvd-1.iso

groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$ md5sum isolinux.bin
4709734ad535226a10bef3ece43ed9d4  isolinux.bin
groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$

devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso

groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$ md5sum isolinux.bin
4709734ad535226a10bef3ece43ed9d4  isolinux.bin
groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$

Note that devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_dvd-1.iso and devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso
seem to share the same isolinux.bin file.

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Best,

A.

#1704 Re: Installation » Problem with *.iso file » 2019-11-19 00:51:45

Hello:

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... ISO sets of 2.0.0 and 2.1 where produced in different ways ...

OK.

But if the isolinux.bin files are not (fsmithred says, I wouldn't know) arch specific, why is the 2.1_amd64 version different from the 2.1_i386?
ie: I'm assuming that they are different because they produce different md5sums but maybe functionally they are the same.

To top it off, neither of the md5sums they produce are the same md5sum in the md5sum.txt file.
Makes no sense ...

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

A re-release of the latter would indeed be a good thing.

Sure ...
But I'd pull them from the servers asap to do some forensics on those two files to see just what happened.
Cannot be too careful.

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

thanks ...

No need.
You are the guys moving the Dev1 project along.

Cheers,

A.

#1705 Re: Installation » Problem with *.iso file » 2019-11-18 23:21:23

Hello:

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... that mkisofs does something to the first 64 bytes on transfer from disk to CD/DVD image, i.e. when the .iso is created.

I have seen this in the ascii 2.1 netinstall *.iso files only.
The ascii 2.0.0 netinstall *.iso files don't seem to have this problem.

ie: media verification using the tool available within the 2.0.0 netinstall media does not fail and the isolinux.bin file produces the correct md5sum.

Best,

A.

#1706 Re: Installation » Problem with *.iso file » 2019-11-18 19:34:38

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

I'm looking into this.

Thank you.

fsmithred wrote:

... some collected md5sums on isolinux.bin that I have in various places.
... sha256sums on the netinstall isos and they are correct.

Yes, that's what seems (to me) odd.
I was expecting this to be just a bad download, but no.

Here's what I have.
I mounted the *.iso files with AcetoneISO and checked the respective isolinux.bin files.

---
devuan_ascii_2.1_amd64_netinst.iso - 21-Oct-2019 08:35 - 319.8 MB (319815680 bytes)
From https://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr … aller-iso/
---

groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$ md5sum isolinux.bin
bdad948d65c1dea713e1698d04a4e75d  isolinux.bin
groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$

But the respective md5sum.txt says otherwise:

81d876d6234d3ca002390e7cb361bb61  ./isolinux/isolinux.bin

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devuan_ascii_2.1_i386_netinst.iso - 22-Oct-2019 02:47 366.0 MB (365953024 bytes)
From: https://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr … aller-iso/
---

groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$ md5sum isolinux.bin
3b36f20bc14cf4ad0f046962c4414221  isolinux.bin
groucho@devuan:~/virtual-drives/1/isolinux$

But the respective md5sum.txt says otherwise:

81d876d6234d3ca002390e7cb361bb61  ./isolinux/isolinux.bin

Since the *.iso files are intact and the isolinux.bin files are not arch specific what I think we are seeing in the sample I am posting about is that there are (at least) two versions but none of them with the correct md5sum  ie:  81d876d6234d3ca002390e7cb361bb61  ./isolinux/isolinux.bin

I have not checked other sources as I expect they are mirrored.
Let me know if I can help out in any way.

Thanks in advance.

A.

#1707 Re: Devuan Derivatives » ThomOS - the new outrageous devuan-based switchblade OS » 2019-11-15 19:28:41

Hello:

stanz wrote:

... install pcmanfm or remove its non-working menu entry?
... other menu items failed.

Has anything else happened with this Derivative?

It looks really great (reminds me of my favourite # !) but to be a switchblade OS it needs to have a fully functional file manager (or at least MC installed) and some sort of auto network configuration or scripts to get things running.

Otherwise it's sort of crippled.

Any news?

Thanks in advance,

O.

#1708 Installation » Problem with *.iso file » 2019-11-14 01:13:43

Altoid
Replies: 25

Hello:

I'm trying to put together a very small Devuan install to replace a TCCore installation which lacks the Nouveau drivers I need for my NVidia cards.

To do that, I downloaded the devuan_ascii_2.1_i386_netinst.iso file and once I checked the SHA256SUM, burned it with Xfburn and attempted to install.

The installation failed toward the end with a pop-up notice about not being able to install the software.

To me, it was rather obvious the DVD was at fault and with Xfburn having no integrity check, I booted up the DVD again to check the its integrity and yes, it turned out to be bad.
The isolinux file was compromised.

So I just burned another DVD, this time checking that the DVD drive was clean and burning the *.iso file at a lower speed.
This time I checked the integrity of the DVD before attempting the installation and it also also turned out to be bad but ...

It was bad at the same point: the isolinux file was compromised.

Fearing the worse (a new $ATA DVD burner) I decidec to dd the *.iso file on to a USB stick to install from there.

devuan:~$ sudo dd bs=4M if=devuan_ascii_2.1_i386_netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb

Just in case, this time I booted up and checked the DVD's integrity first.

Guess what?
It also failed the test and with the same issue: a compromised isolinux file.

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Edit I:

The compromised /isolinux file is ./isolinux/isolinux.bin.

This is from the *.iso file dd'd to a USB stick.

According to md5sum.txt, this it should compute thus:

81d876d6234d3ca002390e7cb361bb61  ./isolinux/isolinux.bin

But File -> Properties -> Digests says it is 3b36f20bc14cf4ad0f046962c4414221.

The specific *.iso file is timestamped as Devuan GNU/Linux 2.1 (ascii) i386 NETINSTALL - 2019-10-21 23:05:54 UTC
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Edit II:

If I directly mount the downloaded and verified *.iso file with Acetone ISO and check ./isolinux/isolinux.bin with Properties -> Digests, it also says it computes as 3b36f20bc14cf4ad0f046962c4414221 instead of what md5sum.txt states.

ie: 81d876d6234d3ca002390e7cb361bb61, so it would not seem to be an issue with the download, its dd'ing to the USB stick or burning to a DVD. 

Could it possibly be a compromised file within the *.iso?
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I've never come across something like this before: it has always been a bad *.iso file or a bad burn due to the drive, the media or the software/speed.
But a bad dd?

Any help with this will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,

A.

#1709 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » dmesg WARNING: CPU and WARN_ON(!connector->state->crtc) messages » 2019-10-06 14:31:26

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

Hello:
I have not seen any indication of its being assigned.

I'm running the last available Devuan 4.9.0.11-686-pae SMP Debian 4.9.189-3+deb9u1 (2089-09-20) i686 and the problem subsists.

Will this ever get fixed or will it end up as part of the 'won't fix' crud that ends up accumulating inside the code because it is not considered worth correcting?

A.

#1710 Re: Other Issues » 32bit packages on a 64bit system » 2019-09-22 00:27:38

Hello:

Wine can be rather a PITA.
Have you tried the alternative of setting up VirtualBox?

You run all your MS applications in a VM.
XPSP3, for example.

Cheers,

A.

#1711 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Thunar -> Send To -> Any Folder? » 2019-07-11 19:43:57

Hello:

macondo wrote:

is that what you're looking for?

No ...
That's not it.

What I need/want (and opine that any FM should have) is the function MS had/has in Windows Explorer: the Right Click -> Send To -> Any Folder action.

You can select either Copy or Move and then Browse, where you get another window to quickly find where you wanted the file to go.
You can then easily repeat the same action faster as the different destinations stay cached and show up in a drop down box.

Cheers,

A.

#1712 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [Solved] Disk access monitor for ASCII » 2019-07-11 19:25:52

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

I had a similar symptom once, and in my case ...

Thanks for the heads up.  =-)
I will check anyhow.

I finally found an applicable case.  See: https://superuser.com/questions/363337/ … -processes
It solves a similar case with a Conky variable I had overlooked: top_io.  See: http://conky.sourceforge.net/variables.html

${top_io name 1} ${top_io io_perc 1} ${top_io cpu 1} ${top_io mem 1}

top_io takes arguments in the form: top_io (name) (number).

Processes are sorted by the amount of I/O the process has done during the update interval, which is what (number) represents.
The types are: "name", "pid", "cpu", "mem", "mem_res", "mem_vsize", "time", "uid", "user", "io_perc", "io_read" and "io_write".
There can be a max of 10 processes listed.

I used it with just NAME, CPU and MEM, which is just the information I needed.
Four processes is probably too many for my use and I'll trim it eventually:

Disk I/O
${hr 2}
NAME${alignr}CPU  MEM
${top_io name 1}${alignr}${top_io cpu 1} ${top_io mem 1}
${top_io name 2}${alignr}${top_io cpu 2} ${top_io mem 2}
${top_io name 3}${alignr}${top_io cpu 3} ${top_io mem 3}
${top_io name 4}${alignr}${top_io cpu 4} ${top_io mem 4}

Cheers,

A.

#1713 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [Solved] Disk access monitor for ASCII » 2019-07-11 15:52:24

Hello:

Panopticon wrote:

So is conky really, you are only going to get information on the event as it happens ...

Indeed, which is more or less what I want to do.

Just check out that it is nothing that looks out of the ordinary/expected, so to speak.
If it were, I'd then go on to check the usual files in /var/log to see what was going on.

Panopticon wrote:

... logging the event you have some real data to go on that may help you figure out the issue.

Yes, you are quite right there.  =-)

But unless my rig's configuration has gone astray, I do not really expect unusual stuff.
What got me asking about this is that the process, which I expect is BackInTime or TimeShift related, is not getting shown in conky (don't know why).

It happened this morning about an hour past my boot-time and I ran iotop to see what was working.
In this particular case it was BackInTime cleaning up excess/older snapsots (actually it was rsync).

Thnaks a lot for your input.

Best,

A.

#1714 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [Solved] Disk access monitor for ASCII » 2019-07-11 15:33:45

Panopticon wrote:

... might be what you are looking for.
https://www.binarytides.com/monitor-disk-io-iotop-cron/

Thanks.
I'll have a look.

But logging IOTOP is sort of after the fact.

Best,

A.

#1715 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [Solved] Disk access monitor for ASCII » 2019-07-11 12:38:47

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

... this in your conkyrc.

Thanks, but I'm afraid it won't do.

What I need is to be able to look at my screen (eg: conky) and see something similar to what this does but for disc access/activity.
It gives me data on the top 5 processes and the % CPU time they take up.

Unfortunately, for some reason backintime and timeshift do not show up and maybe some other activity does not either. 
And I'd really like to know what is writing to my drives when more than usual activity is heard.

TOP 5 PROCESSES
${hr 2}
$processes processes ($running_processes running)
${alignr}${top_mem 1} %
${top_mem name 2}${alignr}${top mem 2} %
${top_mem name 3}${alignr}${top mem 3} %
${top_mem name 4}${alignr}${top mem 4} %
${top_mem name 5}${alignr}${top mem 5} %
${top_mem name 6}${alignr}${top mem 6} %

I don't need to check anything but who (process/programme) and where (disk drive/partition).
So if I hear unusual drive activity, this will give show me if it is something I want/need (eg: backintime/timeshift) or something else I should be aware of.

Most utilities I have found are benchmark oriented, designed to check if there are bottlenecks and such but I've not found anything security oriented (?) like my use would seem to be.

Maybe iotop might do but I cannot get it to run in conky nor have I found an example online.

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1716 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Thunar -> Send To -> Any Folder? » 2019-07-10 14:07:33

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

... searching for examples of Thunar Custom Actions?

Yes, that's the first thing I thought of.
No luck.

fsmithred wrote:

Someone may have already worked it out.
I know there's a long thread about this at forums.debian.net

No, I haven't found anyone with a solution.

fsmithred wrote:

... has the feature you want, but it comes at a high price. (kde cruft)

Thanks but I'll pass on that one.  =-)

fsmithred wrote:

I miss that feature, too.

It's incredible that this very useful feature has not been implemented in every FM out there, it's not that it has not been asked for quite a bit as that long thread shows.
Another feature, sorely needed in XFCE as icons have an atavistic tendency to position themselves as they please on the desktop is the Right Click -> Arrange Icons By -> Align to Grid for the desktop.

For years it has been been asked for but been systematically ignored. 
All sorts of complicated/complex workarounds have been suggested but they ended up being a difficult/awkward solution to implement to solve what seems to be a simple problem.

fsmithred wrote:

... open two thunar windows and drag files from one to the other.
... set the Location Selector to Pathbar style, you can drag files from the main panel to the buttons ...

Yes, I thought of that.

Dutch_Master wrote:

Mate has the functionality you want ...

Thanks for the heads up.

ToxicExMachina wrote:

Konqueror from TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) can do it.
... better than both KDE4/5 and XFCE4 ...
... TDE is really lightweight DE and XFCE4 is wasting performance ...

I'll have a look at that.
Thanks.

Best,

A.

#1717 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [Solved] Disk access monitor for ASCII » 2019-07-09 21:22:20

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

There is iotop ...

Thanks, it could be what I need.

It seems more like a disk performance monitor but the data I need could probably be obtained from the output ...

TID  PRIO  USER     DISK READ  DISK WRITE  SWAPIN     IO>    COMMAND 

... using data from just TID/PID, USER and COMMAND.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

... but you would have to either leave it running or pipe it to conky.

The best idea would be to pipe it to Conky so when I hear the drives I can just look at the display and see who is writing to disk.
I've looked around but have not been able to find an example of Conky using iotop and just a couple of posts from long ago asking.

Would you have one?

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1718 Hardware & System Configuration » [Solved] Disk access monitor for ASCII » 2019-07-09 16:08:51

Altoid
Replies: 10

Hello:

I run Devuan ASCII on a rig with four SAS drives with various uses plus an outdated Miyo install to play with.

groucho@devuan:~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u3 (2019-06-16) x86_64 GNU/Linux
groucho@devuan:~$ 
groucho@devuan:~$ sudo blkid
[sudo] password for groucho: 
/dev/sda1: UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
/dev/sdb1: LABEL="devuan" UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
/dev/sdb3: UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
/dev/sdb5: UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
/dev/sdb6: LABEL="home" UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
/dev/sdc5: LABEL="storage" UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
/dev/sdd1: LABEL="Miyo" UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
/dev/sdd2: UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="swap" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
/dev/sdd5: LABEL="Home" UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
/dev/sde1: LABEL="Backup" UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
/dev/sde2: LABEL="Oldstuff" UUID="UUID DATA" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="UUID DATA"
groucho@devuan:~$ 

My installation includes both BackInTime and TimeShift (saved my skin more than once) which run according to their settings.

I know that BackInTime is running because of the pop-ups and panel icon + the audible disk drive writing.

But at times I hear the drive/s working and nothing in Conky's TOP display indicates what could be running.

Is there a utility that I could run and look at after the fact to see what is going on?
Maybe it is something I'm not needing or should not be running.

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1719 Desktop and Multimedia » Thunar -> Send To -> Any Folder? » 2019-07-08 14:01:36

Altoid
Replies: 6

Hello:

A thing I miss from MS Windows Explorer (in XP) is the Right Click -> Send To -> Any Folder action which I used often.

The convenience of being able to select either Copy or Move and then Browse to quickly find where you wanted the file to go was really great and IMO, very efficient when the time came to archive the files and data accumulated over different folders and drives.

I have been searching to see if this same action could be replicated in Thunar but have come up empty handed.

Is this possible?
Any one done it?

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1720 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2019-06-28 15:41:39

Hello:

Panopticon wrote:

Indeed ...

While users generally don’t expect much privacy from browsers like Google Chrome, the Brave browser promised to do better. By whitelisting the domains of some of the biggest data collectors on the internet, they have lost the trust of a large number of users and will need to work hard to get it back.

Panopticon wrote:

For compensation of lost revenue for websites, Brave uses Brave Payments. Users can sell an amount of money to the Brave browser in Bitcoin, Litecoin and Ethereum. The Brave browser’s Bitcoin funding is transferred into its native cryptocurrency called Basic Attention Tokens (BAT), which can be distributed to websites visited by the user.

Thank you very much for the heads-up.
This is one browser that I won't be using.

Cheers,

A.

#1721 Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2019-06-28 14:44:46

Altoid
Replies: 81

Hello:

Has anyone used/installed this browser?

https://brave-browser.readthedocs.io/en … html#linux

I cannot find it in the Devuan repos and there does not seem to be a *.deb file available either.

Thanks in advance.

A.

#1722 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-05-27 23:26:32

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

... mark one of the named packages* for installation and everything it depends on, and of course the package itself, will stay on your system on autoremove.

*cleverly, choose one of the higher-level packages in the list, not the low-level ones that only add certain features tongue  I'd suggest xfdesktop4 to start with.

aptitude install xfdesktop4

OK, thanks for the tip.  =-)

Dutch_Master wrote:

... strongly (very) prefer the 'old' *nix way of su into the root account)

Yes, I do too.
I've come to see sudo as a rather dangerous thing if used (or rather set up) lightly.
It's something I picked up at the PCLinux OS forum.

I only use sudo along with specific user_xxxx files in sudoers.d which are set up just for for me to do routine things which need admin rights.
eg: dmesg, updatedb, shutdown/reboot, linsssd and such.   

Dutch_Master wrote:

As the package is actually already installed, it won't do anything, except marking it in the database as manually installed and therefore not subject to an auto-prune event. Which is what you're after smile

Yes, I was about to ask with respect to marking files as manually installed and the effect is had.

Thanks a lot for your input.

Best,

A.

#1723 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-05-27 23:12:57

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

... you keep trying to install the xfce4 package when you don't want it.

Ahh ...
So I've been confusing xfce4 which is the metapackage with the xfce desktop package.

Needless to say, I feel quite embarrassed.  =-/

fsmithred wrote:

... install the parts you do want as I posted above.

Thanks a lot for clearing this up for me.

Best,

A.

#1724 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-05-26 14:44:34

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

I.e., if you don't use the autoremove command, they're still installed. smile

Indeed ...  =-D !

I did think of that too.
But ...

At some time or another ie: a week, a month or even a year later, I surely will have to use apt-get autoremove for something or other.
eg: general spring clean-up.

And that's when things will go south very quickly.
Isn't this so?

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1725 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-05-26 12:10:21

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

If you install the packages individually, you can remove them individually.

OK.

fsmithred wrote:

... even do this if the packages were automatically installed ...

Cannot seem to get it done.

eg:

groucho@devuan:~$ sudo apt-get purge orage
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done

The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
gtk2-engines-xfce libical2 libkeybinder-3.0-0 libxfce4ui-utils xfce4-appfinder xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.

The following packages will be REMOVED:
  orage* xfce4*
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
After this operation, 5723 kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
groucho@devuan:~$ 

But this seems to be a Devuan/Debian thing as I have been told that in other distributions (eg: fedora) you can uninstall orage without much ado.

I could always uninstall orage and then reinstall the packages which were removed (xfce4 gtk2-engines-xfce libical2 libkeybinder-3.0-0 libxfce4ui-utils xfce4-appfinder xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin) but then re-installing xfce4 would drag along orage again.

Catch22?

Best,

A.

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