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#1651 Re: Installation » [Solved ] Change from IDE to AHCI borks Devuan ASCII installation » 2019-05-11 00:48:21

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

I guess I could reinstall ASCII and be done with it but I'd like to know if it is something (relatively) simple to fix so I can learn something new from this.
But it will not boot into recovery mode, just drops to a shell I've never used:

It was much easier than I would have thought.
Certainly easier to fix than the hassle I went throug to install the AHCI drivers in XP.

See:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/976071/ … de-to-ahci

This is what worked for me.
modify: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules
add the modules (each per new line):

ahci libahci

modify then this file: /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
and change < most > into < list>

run: update-initramfs -u

Reboot to BIOS, switch to AHCI and boot Xubuntu.

Cheers,

A.

#1652 Installation » [Solved ] Change from IDE to AHCI borks Devuan ASCII installation » 2019-05-11 00:21:05

Altoid
Replies: 3

Hello:

Continuing with my Devuan ASCII Asus 1000HE installation.

One of the things that were not done a few years ago (7 or 8?) when I last updated the XP installation that (still) resides on the drive was to update the drivers for AHCI.

At the time XP was rolled out, AHCI was still under developement and drivers were rolled out by Intel a few years on but MS did not see it fit to include them in SP3.

I've done it now and the 1000HE seems to be a bit snappier in XP and was hoping that the same would happen with Devuan ASCII, but now it will not boot.

At a certain point at the start of the boot process, the screen reads:

Begin: Running /scripts/local-block ... done

This for about 10/12 lines, then waits for the root file system and finally quits: Gave up waiting for the file system device.

Seems Devuan now cannot find the HDD.

Common problems:
- Boot args (cat /proc/cmdline
- Check rootdelay= (did the system wait long enough?) 
- Missing modules (cat /proc/modules: ls/dev)
ALERT! UUID=[number] does not exist. Dropping to a shell!

Not susrprising as the drive is now running in AHCI mode but back then, when Devuan was installed, the drive was running in IDE mode
I've moved the goal posts/unilaterally changed condiitons, so to speak.

My bets are on a missing AHCI module but I would not know where to start to fix that.

I guess I could reinstall ASCII and be done with it but I'd like to know if it is something (relatively) simple to fix so I can learn something new from this.
But it will not boot into recovery mode, just drops to a shell I've never used:

BusyBox v1.22.1 (Debian 1:1.22.0-19+b3) built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in comands.
(initramfs) _ 

Thanks in advance.

A.

#1653 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Asus 1000HE and similar - Newer drivers with older Intel chipsets » 2019-05-08 21:39:05

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Sorry, I should have said that.

No problem ...
Things I should have said but never did.  8^D!

In any case, it doesn't work.
Boot freezes at ~34.000s on, right after eth0 gets up.
And there it stays, waiting for crtl+alt+del.

Fortunately I've been brushing up on my command line and fixed it in a jiffy.

It seems that the newer drivers are not so backwards compatible with the older chipsets. 

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1654 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Asus 1000HE and similar - Newer drivers with older Intel chipsets » 2019-05-08 20:03:36

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The UXA acceleration method is ancient ...

Yes, that's what (in a way) the post I referred to implies.
But the problem I (and others had) with Pale Moon had to do not with Pale Moon but with the (newer) default acceleration method setting ie: sna used on the older Intel chipsets, like the ones my Asus 1000HE has. Going back to uxa apparently solved the issue.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

... have you tried Xorg's built-in modesetting DDX driver?

Actually, I had no idea about all this.
I came across this setting because of the issue I had with Pale Moon.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-modesetting.conf:

Section "Device"
        Identifier "Device0"
        Driver "modesetting"
EndSection

I guess I can try it and see what happens.

And what do I do with /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf?
I guess there cannot be two acceleration settings.
Or are they unrelated?

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1655 Hardware & System Configuration » Asus 1000HE and similar - Newer drivers with older Intel chipsets » 2019-05-06 21:34:38

Altoid
Replies: 4

Hello:

I've successfully installed 32bit Devuan ASCII to run on my Asus 1000HE (Atom N280@166/2Gb RAM).

I then rid myself of Mozilla Firefox and installed Pale Mooon 28.5.0, I think it's probably a keeper.

Then, looking to solve an issue which I thought was related to Pale Mooon, I posted at the Pale Moon forum and was directed to a thread with this post:

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.ph … 41#p160541

The issue I was looking to solve turned out to be totally unrelated to Pale Moon and directly related to the Intel chipset in my 1000HE and the new drivers/kernels.

groucho@devuan:~$ inxi -G
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: intel Resolution: 1024x600@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6
groucho@devuan:~$ 

The fellow who posted the fix actually found it while looking for something else, unrelated to Pale Moon.
So when he came across the Pale Moon thread, decided to share it with the forum.

The references to the fix he found are these:

https://mxlinux.org/wiki/hardware/intel-video-driver
and
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/In … SNA_issues

Apparently the default acceleration method, called sna, can cause issues when using older intel chipsets. An alternative is to use the older acceleration method, uxa.

To do this, I followed the instructions in the links I posted above:

Created a file (as root) called /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf with the following contents:

Section "Device"
Identifier "Device0"
Driver "intel"
Option "AccelMethod" "uxa"
EndSection

I followed the instructions to the letter and the supposed Pale Moon issue ceased to exist. =-)

I had also been having some pointer lag problems on the desktop, not as severe as the ones with Pale Moon (a nuisance nevertheless) which at first I adscribed to the unit's touchpad or the Bluetooth mouse but now I see that they were related to the Intel chipset/driver configuration.

I'm posting it all this here as a heads-up and a future reference to anyone wanting to revive their Asus EeePCs.

But the merit belongs 100% to the original poster at the Pale Moon forum.

Cheers,

A.

#1656 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Mozilla Firefox unacceptable tactics - PLEASE ADVISE » 2019-05-06 00:49:13

Hello:

Ron wrote:

... using Pale Moon for years and love it.
... post here (in off topic I suppose). I usually visit this forum ...

Will do.
Thank you.

A.

#1657 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Mozilla Firefox unacceptable tactics - PLEASE ADVISE » 2019-05-05 20:04:59

Hello:

Thanks a lot.

Installed Pale Moon and uBlock Origin + a No Coin file that works with it.
It all works, for the time being.

Big bonus is that the interface is not screwed up.

If this setup really works as I need, I am seriously thinking of not going back to Mozilla Firefox.

A.

#1658 Re: Installation » Devuan ASCII 32bit on Asus 1000HE issue » 2019-05-05 16:56:50

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

That's interesting, you have two entries for the same device, no idea why hmm

The display appears to be working fine, so that would be something to look at later on.
Maybe it has to do with the 1000HE's vga port?

In any case, the issue in this post was mainly related to eeepc_wmi.

I have searched the web and traced the problem to a bug in linux-source-4.9 kernel due to a regression apparently caused by this patch:

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/ke … ?h=v4.9.51

It seems that it is the same as this, but [sort of] explained:

https://git.amelchem.com/amel/linux/com … 573777c6ac

If legacy device (SB.ATKD - ASUS010) used by eeepc-laptop
is enabled, don't allow eeepc-wmi to load because:
- eeepc-laptop may be loaded, and can conflict with
  eeepc-wmi (they both try to register eeepc::touchpad
  led for example).
- the WMI interface is inteded to be used when the OS is
  not detected as Win 7. And when this is the case, the
  ASUS010 device is disabled.

Edit

Apparently the ASUS010 device is the EEEPC Hotkey set.

See

https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/ … c-laptop.c

#define EEEPC_LAPTOP_VERSION    "0.1"
#define EEEPC_LAPTOP_NAME    "Eee PC Hotkey Driver"
#define EEEPC_LAPTOP_FILE    "eeepc"

#define EEEPC_ACPI_CLASS    "hotkey"
#define EEEPC_ACPI_DEVICE_NAME    "Hotkey"
#define EEEPC_ACPI_HID    "ASUS010"

/Edit

Here's the original bug report from 20170920:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=876303

Here's what apparently needs to be done, no idea though.

"So I removed the 'use acpi_dev_found' patch from my kernel source, and without
this patch eeepc_wmi is loaded successfully, and all fn+ buttons working with
this netbook without acpi_os=Linux extra boot parameter"

And this is the last post in the bug report darted 20180301:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … =876303#28

I've written to the author of the last post and apparently the bug is still there.

I have to get some live 32bit distro with a 5.0 kernel to see if it has been fixed but I am not holding my breath.

Looks like a bug originated in what was probably (?) a hastily applied patch.
It would be nice if the same haste would be applied to rolling it back. No?

Any ideas welcome (blacklisting something, etc.).

Cheers,

A.

#1659 Desktop and Multimedia » Mozilla Firefox unacceptable tactics - PLEASE ADVISE » 2019-05-05 02:31:15

Altoid
Replies: 15

Hello:

I use Mozilla Firefox 55, an outdated version.
I do it for a very good reason.

Beside the newer interfaces being utter crap, the specific reason is that with this version I can still use three add-ons that I find very important to have while on-line.

1. No Coin
2.  Privacy Badger
3. UBlock Origin

I have managed perfectly well up to now with no issues whatsoever but this afternoon I find that they have been disabled.

When I go to Tools > Add-ons I see that each of the extensions has a legend saying "... could not be verified for muse in Firefox and has been disabled." 

Does anyone know what the holy fuck is going on here?

I do not allow automatic upgrades or addons from anyone unless specifically done by me.
So how has this happened?

And most important, how can this crap be overridden?

Thanks in advance.

A.

#1660 Re: Installation » Devuan ASCII 32bit on Asus 1000HE issue » 2019-05-05 01:34:34

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

What does the plain lspci -knn report about your graphics card?

Much more.
And about the other hardware too.
Here you go ...

groucho@devuan:~$ lspci -knn
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Memory Controller Hub [8086:27ac] (rev 03)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Mobile 945GSE Express Memory Controller Hub [1043:8340]

--->
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller [1043:8340]
	Kernel driver in use: i915
	Kernel modules: i915
00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27a6] (rev 03)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller [1043:8340]
<---

00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [1043:834a]
	Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
	Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 1 [8086:27d0] (rev 02)
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
	Kernel modules: shpchp
00:1c.1 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 2 [8086:27d2] (rev 02)
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
	Kernel modules: shpchp
00:1c.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 4 [8086:27d6] (rev 02)
	Kernel driver in use: pcieport
	Kernel modules: shpchp
00:1d.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:27c8] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller [1043:830f]
	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
	Kernel modules: uhci_hcd
00:1d.1 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 [8086:27c9] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller [1043:830f]
	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
	Kernel modules: uhci_hcd
00:1d.2 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 [8086:27ca] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller [1043:830f]
	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
	Kernel modules: uhci_hcd
00:1d.3 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 [8086:27cb] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller [1043:830f]
	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
	Kernel modules: uhci_hcd
00:1d.7 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller [8086:27cc] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. NM10/ICH7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller [1043:830f]
	Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
	Kernel modules: ehci_pci
00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [8086:2448] (rev e2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge [8086:27b9] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge [1043:830f]
	Kernel driver in use: lpc_ich
	Kernel modules: intel_rng, lpc_ich, leds_ss4200
00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller [8086:27df] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller [1043:830f]
	Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
	Kernel modules: ata_piix, ata_generic
00:1f.2 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7-M Family) SATA Controller [IDE mode] [8086:27c4] (rev 02)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7-M Family) SATA Controller [IDE mode] [1043:830f]
	Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
	Kernel modules: ata_piix, ata_generic
01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT2790 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R PCIe [1814:0781]
	Subsystem: AzureWave RT2790 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R PCIe [1a3b:1059]
	Kernel driver in use: rt2800pci
	Kernel modules: rt2800pci
03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Qualcomm Atheros AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Gigabit or Fast Ethernet [1969:1026] (rev b0)
	Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Gigabit or Fast Ethernet [1043:8324]
	Kernel driver in use: ATL1E
	Kernel modules: atl1e
groucho@devuan:~$
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Oh, and leave that poor cat(1) alone:

grep -i _OS dsdt.dsl

There's more than one way to skin a cat. =-)
I still have to polish my command line.
Thanks for the tip.

Cheers,

A.

#1661 Re: Installation » Devuan ASCII 32bit on Asus 1000HE issue » 2019-05-04 20:01:47

Hello:

You could try clearing the string by using

acpi_osi=

This is what I get using acpi_osi= in the kernel line.

groucho@devuan:~$ sudo dmesg | grep eeepc
[    6.284913] eeepc_laptop: Eee PC Hotkey Driver
[    6.285177] eeepc_laptop: Hotkey init flags 0x41
[    6.286378] eeepc_laptop: TYPE (2000000) not reported by BIOS, enabling anyway
[    6.292166] eeepc_laptop: PANELPOWER (4000000) not reported by BIOS, enabling anyway
[    6.292281] eeepc_laptop: Get control methods supported: 0x6101713
[    6.293219] input: Asus EeePC extra buttons as /devices/platform/eeepc/input/input7

--- from here down were already there ---  

[    7.878347] eeepc_wmi: Found legacy ATKD device (ASUS010)
[    7.884493] eeepc_wmi: WMI device present, but legacy ATKD device is also present and enabled
[    7.890126] eeepc_wmi: You probably booted with acpi_osi="Linux" or acpi_osi="!Windows 2009"
[    7.895852] eeepc_wmi: Can't load eeepc-wmi, use default acpi_osi (preferred) or eeepc-laptop
[    7.901709] eeepc-wmi: probe of eeepc-wmi failed with error -16
[    8.559056] eeepc_laptop: Unable to find port
groucho@devuan:~$ 

Just FYI, the options I got from disassembling dsdt.dat are these:

groucho@devuan:~/dsdt$ cat dsdt.dsl | grep -i _OS
        If (CondRefOf (_OSI, Local1))
            If (_OSI ("Windows 2000"))
            If (_OSI ("Windows 2001"))
            If (_OSI ("Windows 2001 SP1"))
            If (_OSI ("Windows 2001 SP2"))
            If (_OSI ("Windows 2001.1"))
            If (_OSI ("Windows 2001.1 SP1"))
            If (_OSI ("Windows 2006"))

        ElseIf (MCTH (_OS, "Microsoft Windows NT"))
            If (MCTH (_OS, "Microsoft WindowsME: Millennium Edition"))
            If (MCTH (_OS, "Linux"))
                            If (CondRefOf (_OSI, Local0))
                                If (_OSI ("Windows 2001"))
                                If (_OSI ("Windows 2001 SP1"))
                                If (_OSI ("Windows 2001 SP2"))
                                If (_OSI ("Windows 2006"))
                                If (_OSI ("Windows 2009"))   
                                If (_OSI ("Linux"))
                            ElseIf (MCTH (_OS, "Microsoft Windows"))
                            ElseIf (MCTH (_OS, "Microsoft WindowsME: Millennium Edition"))
                            ElseIf (MCTH (_OS, "Microsoft Windows NT"))

groucho@devuan:~/dsdt$ 

The kernel is evidently seeing something somewhere that is indicating acpi_osi="Linux" or acpi_osi="!Windows 2009".
That said, the default acpi_osi (preferred) or eeepc-laptop entires are not in the dsdt file.

I'll have to run some tests and see what happens.

Can you post

lspci -knn | grep -iA2 'vga\|3d\|display'

It returns nothing.

I seem to recall having seen something about ASUS010 somewhere once ...
I'll have a look and see what I can find.

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1662 Installation » Devuan ASCII 32bit on Asus 1000HE issue » 2019-05-04 15:44:12

Altoid
Replies: 6

Hello:

I have recently installed Devuan 32 bit ASCII on my (old but trusty) Asus 1000HE, in preparation for (eventually) ridding myself of the present XP installation which I still use for some things like tax returns and coffee roasting software.

groucho@devuan:~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 4.9.0-9-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1 (2019-04-12) i686 GNU/Linux
groucho@devuan:~$ 

For the moment Devuan boots from an SD Card holding grub while the rest of the installaton is on the HD.
This allows me to boot into XD when I need to and at the same time not have to mess with the drive's mbr.

The rig works (quite) well and the hardware is holding up almost as well as my Palm IIIxe's. (!)
Unfortunately, one of the USB ports has a broken tab so there's some surgery ahead.

---
I am really very thankful for having a 32bit systemd free installation such as Devuan available, hopefully 32bit support will continue for a few years.
---

I've been going though the logs to see what needs tuning/unloading/fixing as this Atom N280@166/2Gb RAM system needs not be unduly taxed.
eg: there are no serial, parallel or PS/2 ports, among other things which are loading modules.

There are also some things that I use every so often but are not working properly, eg: Asus hot keys.

One thing I have found in dmesg is this:

groucho@devuan:~$ sudo dmesg | grep -i eee
[    8.043608] eeepc_wmi: Found legacy ATKD device (ASUS010)
[    8.043690] eeepc_wmi: WMI device present, but legacy ATKD device is also present and enabled
[    8.043784] eeepc_wmi: You probably booted with acpi_osi="Linux" or acpi_osi="!Windows 2009"      <---- ???
[    8.043877] eeepc_wmi: Can't load eeepc-wmi, use default acpi_osi (preferred) or eeepc-laptop
[    8.043977] eeepc-wmi: probe of eeepc-wmi failed with error -16
groucho@devuan:~$ 

The thing is that my kernel command line does not have acpi_osi="Linux" or acpi_osi="!Windows 2009"

groucho@devuan:~$ sudo dmesg
--- snip ---
[    0.000000] Kernel command line:  BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-9-686-pae root=UUID=24b98eaa-bf67-4746-a866-473cac307016 ro ipv6.disable=1 enable_mtrr_cleanup
--- /snip ---

So ...
What is to be done with this?

I have not been able to find out just what a legacy ATKD device is.

Combing through lshw I did find an unclaimed device:

        *-display:1 UNCLAIMED
             description: Display controller
             product: Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 2.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:02.1
             version: 03
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: latency=0
             resources: memory:f7f80000-f7ffffff

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

A.

#1663 Re: Installation » [Solved] apt sources list retrieve? » 2019-04-29 19:33:03

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Try ...

Neat ...   =-D!

Thanks for the tip.

A.

#1664 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-04-28 18:07:13

Hello:

PedroReina wrote:

... the mantainer of the package xfce4 dont agree ...

We may be drifting off topic here ...

But jo make my position clear: I'm not nocking Linux or Devuan, quite the contrary.

It is just that (IMO) what XFCE does by forcing the installation of (unneeded) Orage and on top of that, making it impossible to uninstall without also uninstalling XFCE altogether is contrary to the basic philosophy behind Linux:

------------------- > Do one thing and do it well

There are other programs/maintainers that do this same sort of thing.
Must have all learnt how to do it at the Redmond Academy.  8-D!!!

PedroReina wrote:

Different opinions, not big deal ...

Well ...
It's the same type of different opinion than generated the need for Devuan.
systemd is also a different opinion on how to do things and also contrary to the basic philosophy behind Linux. 

PedroReina wrote:

...  is very simple: not install the package xfce4 ...

Just what I am doing: openbox and tint2 work quite well for the time being.

PedroReina wrote:

... point Altoid talk about is very important for me.

It is of the utmost importance, not only to both of us but for how Linux will continue to develop.

Thanks a lot for your input.

Best,

A.

#1665 Re: Installation » [Solved] apt sources list retrieve? » 2019-04-28 17:47:48

Hello:

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... can't really install such a configuration without already having a configuration ...

Indeed !!!  LoL
Only after a good while did I realise how dumb my question was.
ie:
You have to know where the source is to know where the source is.
A chicken or egg? thing.   8-/

So when I got home I cp'd the sources.list file from my other desktop setup to /etc/apt and that was it.   

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... assuming your can trust it ...

Hmmm ...
For all my Devuan things I trust only Devuan sources.
Or ones that have been adequately verified by other derived distributions/groups.

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... of highest importance security-wise that the machine administrator knows exactly what the "apt sub system" configuration is.
There is no escape from putting enough cognitive effort into learning it.

Quite so ...
For all my Linux experiences, I have (almost) always used synaptic, but with this installation on my trusty 1000HE, I have been rather enjoying the command line once again.
Reminds me of my long gone DOS days and hopefully I'll be able to pick up the pace soon enough.

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... includes the "pinning" aspect, which is configured in the /etc/apt/preferences.d/* files, and the "general apt parameters" of /etc/apt/apt.conf and the /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* files.

Right. Duly noted, thanks for the heads up.
Hopefully I'll one day be able to do anything on the command line in Linux.  =-)

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

... devised at a time when the nuances of "trust" were less developed ...
... totally off parity with its importance.

Maybe that will change one day, if we all put enough behind that notion.
There's too much bad influence out there, convenience seems to have become the word.

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1666 Installation » [Solved] apt sources list retrieve? » 2019-04-27 22:49:16

Altoid
Replies: 6

Hello:

Is there a way to retrieve the /etc/apt/sources.list file from the command line?

Something like this:

# apt-get install sources.list   <- just an idea, I know it does not work

Or do I have to jed and edit sources.list by hand?

Thanks in advance.

A.

#1667 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-04-27 20:53:28

Hello:

PedroReina wrote:

... defaults of any OS instalations are just that, the defaults.

Of course ...

My point being that getting Orage installed by default when installing the XFCE desktop does not seem to have any justification.
Or is it an essential part of XFCE, without which XFCE does not function at all or is in any way hampered?

PedroReina wrote:

... glad to know that your problem is fixed. smile

Thanks.

A.

#1668 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-04-26 23:24:52

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

This time the installation went through without any issues but the result has been the same as before, in the two machines I have.
But it will not boot.

I just get a  j (lowercase) followed by a blinking underscore.

ie:  j_

I managed to fix the problem but have no idea why it happened or how to avoid it happening.

To fix it, with the USB installation in place, I booted with a Devuan ASCII 2.0.0_i386_DVD-1 installer DVD, went to Rescue Mode and reinstalled GRUB to the USB stick (/dev/sdb).

And that was it.

The drive booted into GRUB and upon logging in I installed XFCE4 which, after a reboot, started without any issues (for the time being).

rant
It's a pity that installing a desktop drags so much stuff in with it ...
eg: I did not ask for an Orage Calendar or Orage Globaltime.
But there it is.

And uninstalling it also uninstalls XFCE4 (and only XFCE4).
Reminds me of some similar MS practises we have all suffered at some time or another ...
/rant

But the problem is fixed.

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1669 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-04-26 21:01:23

Hello:

PedroReina wrote:

Yes. Repeat the procedure. At the first error ...

I've repeated the procedure.
But in case there was some issue with the SDCard, this time I carried out the installation using the same devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_netinst.iso burnt to a CD instead of dd'd to an SD Card.

Again, the CD-ROM was correctly verified.

This time the installation went through without any issues but the result has been the same as before, in the two machines I have.

But it will not boot.

I just get a  j (lowercase) followed by a blinking underscore.

ie:  j_

The fdisk -l output is the same, only difference is where the boot partition starts (2048 instead of 4096):

groucho@devuan:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdf
[sudo] password for groucho: 
Disk /dev/sdf: 7.2 GiB, 7757398016 bytes, 15151168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0x000312cd

Device     Boot    Start      End Sectors  Size Id Type
/dev/sdf1  *        2048  9220095 9218048  4.4G 83 Linux
/dev/sdf2        9222142 15151103 5928962  2.8G  5 Extended
/dev/sdf5        9222144 12294143 3072000  1.5G 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdf6       12296192 15151103 2854912  1.4G 83 Linux
groucho@devuan:~$ 

A.

#1670 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-04-25 23:12:24

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

...  everything except 'Standard system utilities' at the tasksel window ...

It refused to do it.
ie: failed at that point in the installation.

Retried a number of times but the only way I was able to continue and write GRUB to the USB stick was to uncheck that.
But it will not boot.

I just get a  j (lowercase) followed by a blinking underscore.

ie:  j_ 

I'm having a very hard time with this installation, no idea what's going on.
The .iso file I downloaded checked out perfectly well and the installer verified the "CD-ROM" so that's not it.

This is what I have:

groucho@devuan:~$ sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdf
[sudo] password for groucho: 
Disk /dev/sdf: 7.2 GiB, 7757398016 bytes, 15151168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0x000312cd

Device     Boot    Start      End Sectors  Size Id Type
/dev/sdf1  *        4096  9220095 9216000  4.4G 83 Linux
/dev/sdf2        9222142 15151103 5928962  2.8G  5 Extended
/dev/sdf5        9222144 12294143 3072000  1.5G 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdf6       12296192 15151103 2854912  1.4G 83 Linux
groucho@devuan:~$ 

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance.

A.

#1671 Re: Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-04-25 21:33:46

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

...  If you choose one of the desktops in the installer, you get the task-xxx-desktop package that pulls in everything else.

I see ...

fsmithred wrote:

... un-check everything except 'Standard system utilities' at the tasksel window, you'll get a working cli-only system, and you can then install xfce4 and whatever else you want.

OK, sound like it may be pretty much what I need.
I suppose it configures the wired network?

fsmithred wrote:

... install from CD-1 without a network mirror.
... a working desktop with a bunch of the usual stuff missing.
... not sure if that includes libreoffice or not.

I think it does.

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1672 Installation » [Solved] Software selection in Devuan ASCII netinst » 2019-04-25 20:50:01

Altoid
Replies: 20

Hello:

I'm needing to install Devuan with just the main stuff + XFCE so I can complete the installation later on once bootedup and running.
eg:  no Open Office, among other things.

But I see no way of doing this in Devuan ASCII netinst, even with the advanced option.

Any way to do this?

Thanks in advance.

A.

#1673 Re: Installation » Boot from SD / Installation to HDD question » 2019-04-23 20:14:22

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

... you can boot from the SD card ...

Yes.

Hitting esc at boot time gives me what Asus rather awkwardly calls the BBS Popup (Boot Selection Popup) menu, where I can choose from HDD, SD Card slot or whatever is plugged into whichever one of the three USB 2.0 ports has something booteable plugged in. I haven't been able to find out what the extra B in BBS stands for, but it sounds/looks bad.  =-D!

fsmithred wrote:

... should be able to install grub to the SD card, put / on the SD card, and put /home /var and swap on the HDD.

OK

fsmithred wrote:

... normal installation that can be updated/upgraded.

That's great.

fsmithred wrote:

If you want to install to the usb stick ...

No, not really.

In my experience, I have found some USB ports to be liable to have problems, not in the contacts (unless abused) but with the plastic 'tonge' that is supposed to be the support for whatever is plugged in.
Unfortunately, it is far too easy to inadvertently exert force on the plugged in whatever in such a way that it leverages this plastic piece up/down.

After a number of these instances (think 2010 to today) and even if they are very slight, the plastic will eventually weaken and then break off.   
Which is why I'd rather boot from the SD slot.

fsmithred wrote:

... it is possible to boot to ram and then install to the same stick.

What would drive me to boot to RAM is that it would be a faster read while installing.

fsmithred wrote:

... leave 2MB free space before the first partition.
Grub might need that. Gparted insists on leaving 1MB.
Keep your eye on that.

Will do. Once again, thanks for the heads up.
2MB it is then.  =-)

Thanks a lot for your input.

A.

#1674 Re: Installation » Boot from SD / Installation to HDD question » 2019-04-23 17:38:10

Hello:

fsmithred wrote:

It should work ...

OK, one down.  =-)

fsmithred wrote:

... it's normal to have different partitions on different drives.

I thought as much once I realised I could split / from the rest of the installation and boot my main rig from a SSD. 
Have not done it yet.

I really like Linux's ability to put things in their own place.
I recall that in another life/another OS, I put both the /swap and a /programs directory on separate partitions.
I did not trust the MS 'program files' arrangement.

Not to much use besides keeping things tidy as a lot of stuff still ended up in /program files.   
Eventually I put the swap file in the same partition as /programs as all that took a toll speedwise.

fsmithred wrote:

Take note of what the device names are when you boot from usb vs. booting from internal disk.

Of course, thanks for the heads up.

fsmithred wrote:

Using uuids in fstab should help with that.

OK.

What worries me a bit is the actual process, eg:

1. boot Devuan ASCII (to ram?) from image dd'd to a USB stick.
2. install to the second partition (ext4) on HDD, where the first partition (NTFS) holds the XP installation.
3. make sure /, boot record and GRUB are installed to the SC Card in the slot.

Q1.: How do I make that last part of the process failsafe?

Q2.: Am I correct in assuming that installing ASCII in this manner will allow for updating?
It is something I have found booting from an *.iso with persistance will not and mess it all up.

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1675 Installation » Boot from SD / Installation to HDD question » 2019-04-23 15:24:14

Altoid
Replies: 5

Hello:

I've seen that I could boot my ASCII rig from a 32Gb SDD (holding just / ) with the rest of the installation ie: /home, /var and /swap residing on separate partitions in another HD.

I was wondering if I could do something analogous with my Asus 1000HE 2Gb netbook on which I need to run XP for some time yet.

ie: boot from a USB or SD card holding just / and with the rest of the installation ie: /home, /var and /swap residing on separate partitions in the netbook's HD, where the first partition and the boot record belong to XP.

I have attempted to boot with an *.iso image and use the persistence option but it has proven to be rather problematic.

Thanks in advance.

A.

Edited: dyslexical spelling mistakes.

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