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I know this is just going to derail the thread (I'll stop after this post, so make of it what you will), but I was more or less referring to how in the heck they are "popular", when I barely know any GNU/Linux user who has that OS as their daily driver, newbie or experienced. I could understand some exceptions, but the "number one on DistroWatch" thing just seems like a meme.
Also, isn't Systemd now included to some extent (source)?
Nonetheless, I appreciate the efforts of people like Steven Pusser who port and maintain packages not currently supported by Debian upstream.
systemd has always been available in MX:
All things are impermanent. It is a fool's task to cling to anything much less ephemeral data. The knowledge collected here quickly becomes outdated and moves to the bottom of the list. Seems like this thread is much ado about . . . well, nothing really . . . If we ever get a workable wiki, that is an entirely different medium with more lasting power.
Doesn't look like it's ever been in the repos. You can get it here.
Oooooo such big words and proclamations. Please get over yourself.
(golinux yawns . . .)
golinux wrote:Vernon wrote:Why undisclosed?
Because that's the only way to insure that the outcome will be completely random and not engineered by someone with an axe to grind.
Everyone has an axe to grind. My axe is called Freedom and Openness. Based on your advocacy of post editing time limits and keeping those limits secret, your axe is apparently called something quite different.
You are so busy blustering and demanding, you really didn't think that through, did you. A time limit would only be a "secret" until it was triggered, then it wouldn't be a secret anymore would it. LOL! And if it's never triggered, what does it matter? You just want to latch on to anything to argue and demand. That energy coming from someone who has been here only about 2 months is quite out of sync with this peaceful, collaborative project and disrespectful of the hours of love we have poured into Devuan since the fork.
(golinux wishes this forum had an ignore feature)
golinux wrote:The reaction to the current option sends a message that should be heeded. My suggestion would be to experiment with the edit timeout window starting at X number of months/days (to be collectively decided and undisclosed).
Why undisclosed?
Because that's the only way to insure that the outcome will be completely random and not engineered by someone with an axe to grind.
golinux wrote:Then wait and see if anyone notices.
So, sort of like when you complain to a Debian package manager about only supporting systemd and they reply lets see if anyone notices?
Nothing like that if you read the above. That's just how I would do it to make the community response completely unbiased. Not saying it will be done that way.
One excellent point that you made is to figure out what happens when an initial post is Deleted rather than just Edited. Does this only Delete the initial post or all the other follow-up posts as well?
Deletion of an initial post should only be allowed if there are no responses, IMO. That's the way the Debian forum does it. I posted a link about that a few posts up.
Suggestion . . . maybe close your eyes and let the mind and breath settle for a few minutes . . . the world appears quite different when the churning stops . . . ![]()
We're a pretty mellow and collaborative bunch so I don't see that happening. In fact HoaS, you seem to have mellowed considerably since you've been hanging around here. The reaction to the current option sends a message that should be heeded. My suggestion would be to experiment with the edit timeout window starting at X number of months/days (to be collectively decided and undisclosed). Then wait and see if anyone notices.
This forum is less than a side-dish on Ralph's menu. There would be no Devuan without Ralph. Period. This issue will be discussed internally in a few days. In the meantime, please be patient and constructive in your comments. And remember to breathe . . .
FYI documentation of Debian packages touched by Devuan in Beowulf.
There are 453 of which 218 deal with task-[localization] and 29 probably duplicate packages in beowulf-proposed-updates.
I wasn't aware that the number was this high.
There are backups but no revision software. A forum is by nature ephemeral so there's not really a need for it IMO. It is always possible to dig in the Internet Archive.
@doa379 . . . please gain some knowledge about devuan before you speak. Or perhaps you like embarrassing yourself . . .
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/
This forum, like debian's, is a hybrid of problem solving, wiki-like documentation and social interactions. It's been working quite well and I see no reason to throw out the baby with the bathwater. As I said before, we need to find the sweet spot between users having the option to improve/correct posts at the point where technical errors were made (not 10 posts later) while not having the ability to delete an entire thread which I assume deleting the first post would do. Also . . . as mentioned by Vernon, posters must have the ability to mark their issue as [SOLVED].
Disabling the login combined with a marker below the username that this user no longer is active and/or turning the username unclickable could be enough.
Yes. Scrambling info in an account is a solution that is quite effective.
Reasons to allow unlimited time for editing.
Posted issues take an indeterminate time to solve. By setting an edit time limit, you don't allow posters to change a topic subject to [solved]
I am a very poor typist and make many typos and grammatical errors which I may not notice until days later when reviewing my posts. And yes, I do like to go back and review my posts and admire them
I may discover additional issues that I should have discussed originally in a HOWTO days later or weeks later. Edit timeouts could prevent me for updating the HOWTO
Excellent points. +1
And while we're at it: Where is the delete-my-account function hidden?
It is not possible to delete an account if you have posted. Users with 0 posts can be removed at their request. A user who recently deleted all their posts (about 30) is what started the quest to find a better solution that would not break threads. There are still quoted references to this user that now have no antecedent.
The timeout is a day, or 86400 seconds, since the creation of the post.
'edit' and 'delete' are treated the same based on my reasoning that editing lets you remove all content, and a blank post is basically the same as a deleted post.
IMO, that time is too short.
People edit for many reasons, not just to delete. I have sometimes edited content days, weeks, even years after posting. There should be a more conservative time limit for deleting the first post of a thread. That should only be allowed if there have been no responses. My .02 . . .
I can still edit my posts on the debian forum even from 2015 but there's no longer a delete option. It is possible to have different timeouts for those 2 functions. We need to find the sweet spot for each of the options.
Ralph has been tweaking the timeout limits on editing and deleting posts because there was a user who recently deleted all of their posts. Please suggest time limits for consideration.
Vivaldi handles jitsi better than chromium does! Of course, that's still on jessie 32 bit. LOL!! FF has never been able to handle it. Chrome did till recently then suddenly wouldn't work. I don't care much for the layout or look (too shiny) and the community was not to my liking either. jitsi is the only thing I'm using it for.
golinux wrote:Seems no one reads the Release Notes anymore
Please, don't think so. A lot of people do read this and much more. Keep up!
Unfortunately, those of us on help-desk just see the ones who don't. A few every day on average.
If the fix in the Release Notes doesn't work, you might try an .asoundrc configuration.
Seems no one reads the Release Notes anymore or is aware of the content of the Old English epic poem Beowulf. It was a bloody mess. But I guess the mind just relates to what it knows best . . .
Have you read the Release Notes?
@Altoid . . . perhaps you could adopt, adapt and maintain SLiM for devuan . . . or even upstream . . .