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#1476 Re: ARM Builds » ascii installer-ARM64 question » 2020-04-28 10:26:50

Hello:

HevyDevy wrote:

Bit of a miscommunication ...

Indeed ...
Sorry about that.

HevyDevy wrote:

... images are devuan ascii ...
... not raspbian images.

I see.
My bad then.

I guess I let the raspi bit lead me to that.
I understood that it was Raspbian -> Devuan thing in the same way/sense that Debian -> Devuan. 8^7

HevyDevy wrote:

... live sdk will source those files from the link in your op ...

No idea, I've never used that.

Up to now, my experience in Linux has been only with installers (*.iso files), live images (*.img) and the generation of live images with Refracta.
I understand that installing is not the same as dd'ing a live image to a drive as I have to make changes to the original installation to generate a new image file.

Which is why I was looking for a way to install and not burn an image. 

HevyDevy wrote:

... dyslexia in typing

Happens a lot to me also. =-/

I'll have a look at what the sdk says but it seems that for the time being, dd'ing an *.img file is the only path I have to putting Devuan ascii on the RPi3b+.

Thanks a lot for your input.

Cheers,

A.

#1477 Re: ARM Builds » ascii installer-ARM64 question » 2020-04-27 15:52:19

Hello:

HevyDevy wrote:

... flashing the filesystem onto an sd card.

Yes.
That is how it is done if you want to install Devuan/Raspbian.

And there are Raspbian image files available in the downloads section at Dev1.

HevyDevy wrote:

... found some rather old arm64 embedded images ...

Yes, they are a mirror of the above.

But as I mentioned, I would like to install Devuan ascii ARM64 (not Raspbian) in my RPi 3B+ but I don't know how to use the files I found in the link mentioned in my OP.

ie:

../
cdrom/                                             08-May-2019 16:37                   -
device-tree/                                       08-May-2019 16:37                   -
netboot/                                           08-May-2019 16:37                   -
MANIFEST                                           08-May-2019 16:37                3947
MANIFEST.udebs                                     08-May-2019 16:37               11424
MD5SUMS                                            08-May-2019 16:37               22425
SHA256SUMS                                         08-May-2019 16:37               30533
udeb.list                                          08-May-2019 16:37                3390

 

Thanks for your input.

Cheers,

A.

#1478 ARM Builds » ascii installer-ARM64 question » 2020-04-27 13:00:53

Altoid
Replies: 27

Hello:

Although not entirely convinced that there are no dumb questions ...

I'm wanting to install Devuan ascii on a Raspberry Pi 3B+ (when it gets here) but would like to use the same Devuan version I have on my workstation and not a Raspbian version if at all possible without hitting a glitch at some point.

The idea is to have a setup as familiar as possible, if that makes any sense.

My search got me here.

The thing is that I can't find the usual *.iso file, just these directories/files:

../
cdrom/                                             08-May-2019 16:37                   -
device-tree/                                       08-May-2019 16:37                   -
netboot/                                           08-May-2019 16:37                   -
MANIFEST                                           08-May-2019 16:37                3947
MANIFEST.udebs                                     08-May-2019 16:37               11424
MD5SUMS                                            08-May-2019 16:37               22425
SHA256SUMS                                         08-May-2019 16:37               30533
udeb.list                                          08-May-2019 16:37                3390

As I've always used *.iso files and/or installer CDs,  I'd appreciate some guidance with respect to this.

Thanks in advance.

A.

#1479 Re: Off-topic » deb.sury.org now requires systemd » 2020-04-26 13:03:45

Hello:

IdeaFix wrote:

... my fault - to trust devuan.

To trust Devuan?
A mistake?
Surely you jest ...

Devuan is as trustworthy as any OS can possibly get, there are absolutely no trust issues with Devuan.
Why should you not trust Devuan?

What you have is an issue with a set of applications which have been/are being crippled by the growing divergence between Debian & Devuan.
Which, like the OP noted, we owe to " ... the last debian resolution whether it is interpreted by maintainers in various ways wrongly or on purpose".

To this we must add that the Debian packager for the application you use understands that the systemd issue is a purely ideological one.

And acts according to his ideology: systemd is the way to go.
ie: the only one.

This growing trend means that Devuan developers/packagers have to work more and harder.
Which I am sure you understand, takes time and resources.
Both human and monetary.

I think that are so used to it that it is possible you have lost sight of a very important fact: that you have a first class OS running your boxes free of charge.

IMHO

Cheers,

A.

#1480 Re: ARM Builds » [Solved] Devuan Raspbian images » 2020-04-23 13:12:11

Hello:

xinomilo wrote:

... not to be a hater, but an init freedom lover ...

This has absolutely nothing to do with hate.
Nor is there anything wrong with being an init freedom lover.

This as long as the society/ecosystem you move in and interact with (in this case, Debian and the Pottering crowd) is actually willing to accept that view.
ie: that of init freedom and (of course) in the context we are in: that of Devuan basically depending on Debian to exist.

But pray tell me ...

Just what are you going to love when init freedom ends up becoming systemd dependency?
What will you do then with all your init freedom love?

I imagine that you think this is a far fetched idea and that no, that will never happen.
How sure are you?

You probably missed this this thread.
And if you did not, you surely missed the significance of what it is reporting.

It is my opinion (YMMV) that Pottering and those who follow him in Debian are firmly set on making systemd the init standard for the distribution.
And when this happens Devuan, save a real miracle, will vanish.

xinomilo wrote:

... rpi folks realise the "full-fat systemd ...ness" ...

It is quite obvious that you missed the poster's sly sarcasm.

I fear that this laissez faire approach to systemd will end up being the demise of Devuan and everything based on it.

Cheers,

CIV

#1481 Re: ARM Builds » [Solved] Devuan Raspbian images » 2020-04-21 15:25:13

Hello:

xinomilo wrote:

there should be more reasons to go systemd-free,... rpi and other arm devices run much faster / less RAM usage, without it.

Should?
There are a great many more reasons to go systemd-free.
I confess that I was not aware of (but suspected) "... much faster / less RAM usage".

Evidently it is something the people/developers at raspberripi.org don't care about or just cannot be bothered with.
The answer I got to my post exudes the shortsighted pragmatism often seen in some forums on the web regarding systemd and I'm really at odds as to how to question it successfully.

But I cannot shake the suspicion that there could well be a dyed-in-the-wool pro systemd stance behind such pragmatism.

eg:
... It's not supported on here.
... (and any quirks it may possess) ... <--- any quirks?

Cheers,

A.

#1482 Re: ARM Builds » [Solved] Devuan Raspbian images » 2020-04-21 13:58:41

Hello:

Seems it was not a very interesting topic for anyone here.
But I am convinced that systemd must go.

So I thought it would be useful to post at the Raspberry Pi forum and see what was up.

DougieLawson wrote:

It's not supported on here. The OS on here is Raspbian complete with the full-fat systemd wonderfulness. I'd guess that 99.999% of folks on the forum a) won't know what Devuan is, b) won't know why they'd swap from Raspbian and c) have no problems with systemd (and any quirks it may possess).

Solved.
There does not seem to be much love for systemd free OSs at raspberrypi.org, seems they deem it to be innocuous.

Cheers,

A.

#1483 ARM Builds » [Solved] Devuan Raspbian images » 2020-04-17 13:57:00

Altoid
Replies: 7

Hello:

I'm currently waiting for delivery of a Raspberry Pi 3B+ to use with my coffee roasting setup.
In the meanwhile (lots of it) I'm reading up on what's going on with Raspberry/Raspbian and I came across this page on the official Raspberry Pi web site.

What called my attention, knowing there are Devuan Raspbian images available, was that their availability was not listed on the page under the Third Party Operating System Images section along with Ubuntu and others.

Is there a sound reason for that or is it because of the systemd thing? (spelt it right this time ...)

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1484 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Conky on-screen formatting/layout » 2020-04-14 11:36:25

Hello:

HevyDevy wrote:

... hwmon inside conky ...
... check in /sys/class/hwmon for the correct outputs ...

Right.

That did it.

TEMPERATURES
-------------------------------------
${hr 2}
Core0: +${hwmon 0 temp 2}°C                 Core1: +${hwmon 0 temp 3}°C  
Core2: +${hwmon 0 temp 4}°C                 Core3: +${hwmon 0 temp 5}°C

... got me exactly what I was looking for.

TEMPERATURES
-------------------------------------
Core0: +46.0       Core1: +42.0
Core2: +41.0       Core3: +41.0

Thank you very much for your input.

Cheers,

A.

#1485 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Conky on-screen formatting/layout » 2020-04-14 01:45:48

Hello:

HevyDevy wrote:

fmt is the command you want. https://linux.die.net/man/1/fmt

Right ...

HevyDevy wrote:

... the way you want it formatted should be below command.

Thanks a lot ..  =-)

I had to tailor it a bit ...

${execpi 5 sensors | awk 'NR==3{print $1 $2 $3} NR==4{print $1 $2 $3} NR==5 {print $1 $2 $3} NR==6 {print $1 $2 $3}' | fmt -24}

... gets me this:

TEMPERATURES
-------------------------------------
Core0: +52.0 Core1: +52.0        |
Core2: +52.0 Core3: +52.0        |

But I have not found a way to separate the readouts.

eg:

TEMPERATURES
-------------------------------------
Core0: +52.0       Core1: +52.0  |
Core2: +52.0       Core3: +52.0  |

It seems that spaces do not count and I don't see a tab or any other argument to use.

How do I separate them?

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1486 Hardware & System Configuration » Conky on-screen formatting/layout » 2020-04-13 21:23:31

Altoid
Replies: 4

Hello:

I use Conky on my desktop to show, among other things, CPU temperatures.
Invaluable when your box sits on the floor of a rather unkept home office.  =^7

The /etc/conky/conky.conf lines that do it are these ...

--- snip ---
TEMPERATURES
${hr 2}
${execpi 5 sensors | grep Core | awk '{print $1 $2 $3}' | cut -c1-15}
--- snip ---

... and what I get is something akin to this:a

TEMPERATURES
-------------------------------------
Core0: +52.0                              |
Core1: +52.0                              |
Core2: +52.0                              |
Core3: +52.0                              |

The output shown above in ASCII (*) is more or less to scale and aligned to the right screen margin, in turn represented by the vertically stacked Alt+179 symbols.

In order to be able to add a couple of readings without having to squint (more) and/or take up additional screen surface, I'd like to be able to format the output in this manner:

TEMPERATURES
-------------------------------------
Core0: +52.0    Core1: +52.0     |
Core2: +52.0    Core3: +52.0     |

How can I get that done?

Thanks in advance,

A.

(*) This in the absence of a quick and convenient way to upload small graphic files to wherever, directly from the post screen. (a hint?)

#1487 Re: News & Announcements » Bound to happen ... » 2020-04-06 19:00:19

Hello:

golinux wrote:

... suspect that this is the tip of the iceberg.

Which one?
HoaS's windup or systemd?   8^D!

golinux wrote:

Used to be that the "wontfix" issues were listed ...
No telling what's buried in there that will come to bite us.

The won'tfix issues is my main and probably only issue with Linux/Linux maintenance.

They are the stuff problems down the line are made of, that end up festering in dark and unvisited corners of a distribution.
Till one day everything goes titsup because things that were not fixed in time because it seemed they did not matter were not properly evaluated.
And came back to bite, hard.

And then it is either too late or a real bitch to fix and get things back on track again.

Cheers,

A.

#1488 Re: News & Announcements » Bound to happen ... » 2020-04-06 18:43:19

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

It's spelled "systemd" actually.

No idea as I did not actually do any spelling ...
To avoid errors in transcription, I just did a copy/paste from the article at ElReg.

It was already spelt for me.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Are you all doing that deliberately to wind me up?

Nah!
Wouldn't dream of it ...  8^D !!!

Cheers,

A.

#1489 News & Announcements » Bound to happen ... » 2020-04-06 15:28:31

Altoid
Replies: 18

Hello:

Not that it matters too much to any of us here but ...

---
SystemD found to have code execution bug

A flaw in SystemD could potentially be exploited by a local attacker or malware to elevate their privileges to fully hijack a machine.

The bug, CVE-2020-1712, a heap use-after-free, was discovered and reported by Google's Tavis Ormandy, and fixed in upstream version v245-rc1. Depending on your Linux distro, you may or may not have a vulnerable version installed; check for updates. Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 is unaffected, for example.
---

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/04/0 … y_roundup/
https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.c … -2020-1712
https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-secu … 20/02/05/1

Cheers,

A.

#1490 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Legacy Graphics Problem with Beowulf Upgrade » 2020-04-03 11:17:59

Hello:

golinux wrote:

If Debian had it, we would have it.

Ahh ...
That's the reason.
Learn something new every day. 8^)

golinux wrote:

... only touch files with systemd issues.
... when Debian offers it, then we will ...

Right.

So my question should have been: why do the Debian repositories have inxi and not smxi and the rest.
Maybe they are not happy with his stance on systemd, the same one I acquired once I realised what was going on albeit only after a 4/5 year tour of Debian/RH based distributions.

Thanks a lot for bearing with me.

Cheers,

A.

#1491 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Legacy Graphics Problem with Beowulf Upgrade » 2020-04-03 01:20:31

Hello:

golinux wrote:

... thanks for tracking that down.

You're welcome. =-)

golinux wrote:

... had great respect for HH and thank him for his contributions and making that script compatible with Devuan.

Yes.
That website he's set up is great.
Really neat.

I have only used inxi which I find to be excellent, so I wanted to see about smxi, which I did not know about.

golinux wrote:

... that package comes directly from Debian ...

Indeed ...
But Debian also means (in some way, methinks) systemd related.

As I always try to avoid installing anything from outside the Devuan repositories, I went to synaptic expecting to find it there, just like inxi.
I did not find it so I went looking for it at https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ and it had not been / was not there either.

This called my attention, which is why I asked.

I'll install it from HH's site but maybe (?) it could be added to the stable/backport repositories in the future?

Thanks for your input.

A.

#1492 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Legacy Graphics Problem with Beowulf Upgrade » 2020-04-02 21:21:34

Hello:

golinux wrote:

sgfxi at https://smxi.org/ will automate everything.

Being a long time user of Nvidia legacy cards/drivers under Linux, I was interested in seeing what smxi was about and saw that the author is also the author of the inxi script.
Did not know that.

Although inxi is in the Devuan repositories, I see that smxi (or the other author's scripts) is not.
Further looking in https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ revealed that it smxi has never been included in any Devuan repository.

Is there a specific reason for that?

I have read posts from mid 2015 regarding some difficulty the smxi script seemed to have ID'ing Devuan but it seems to have been fixed.

EDIT:
Fix confirmed - https://github.com/smxi/inxi/blob/master/inxi.changelog

=====================================================================================
Version: 2.2.23
Patch: 00
Date:  2015-06-08
-----------------------------------
Changes:
-----------------------------------
New version, tarball. Tiny change. Added /etc/devuan_version file to distro id to handle
the switched file name.
Kudos to anyone out there fighting to create a working alternative
to the unreliable and buggy and windows emulating systemd, I wish devuan luck. Maybe between
devuan and gentoo and slackware we can save the free software core systems before it's too late.
-----------------------------------
-- Harald Hope - Mon, 08 Jun 2015 15:43:52 -0700
=====================================================================================

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1493 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Drive letter assignments [Solved] » 2020-03-31 20:34:16

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

Yes, that did it.

Spoke too soon ...

The problem was still there.  =^ 7
ie: Rebooting with anything storage plugged in would screw up the conky readout.

I think/guess what using UUIDs in fstab does is link the drive's UUIDs to partitions but still that leaves eventual drive letter assignments in a dynamic state, so to speak.
ie: a UUID does not get permanently linked to a drive letter.

The solution then is to point conky to the drive's UUID.

eg:

TEMPERATURES
${hr 2}
${execpi 5 sensors | grep Core | awk '{print $1 $2 $3}' | cut -c1-15}
${hr 0.3}
/dev/sda: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/disk/by-uuid/d6841f29-e39b-4c87-9c52-3a9c3bafe2d3 | cut -c 81-84}
/dev/sdb: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/disk/by-uuid/49d1369c-ed70-4543-b0ee-ef65327e101b | cut -c 83-86}
/dev/sdc: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/disk/by-uuid/bdf33361-5929-433e-ac7f-1a626aa6e844 | cut -c 78-81}
/dev/sdd: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/disk/by-uuid/c722f26d-5c9a-42a9-8c2b-6dbdf926d865 | cut -c 83-86}
/dev/sde: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/disk/by-uuid/ca8dbded-819d-4e2b-b017-0981a75ea718 | cut -c 101-104}

... instead of what I was using before:

TEMPERATURES
${hr 2}
${execpi 5 sensors | grep Core | awk '{print $1 $2 $3}' | cut -c1-15}
${hr 0.3}
/dev/sda: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/sda | cut -c 35-55}
/dev/sdb: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/sdb | cut -c 37-57}
/dev/sdc: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/sdc | cut -c 32-55}
/dev/sdd: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/sdd | cut -c 37-55}
/dev/sde: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/sde | cut -c 55-65}

Now, independently of changing my fstab to UUID (or not) now conky will run hddtemp on drives by UUID.

Cheers,

A.

#1494 Re: News & Announcements » Linux 5.6 kernel release news » 2020-03-30 21:51:23

Altoid wrote:

How is it that this actually slipped by Torvalds?

Some time ago, the world+dog endlessly busted Torvald's balls because he shouted and cursed a number of dimwitt/AH coders in order to keep a tight ship.
But it does not seem that anyone is saying absolutely anything about this nonsense.

Call me what you will, but I think that if this type of thing is not stopped ASAP, the Linux kernel as we know it will end up going to the dogs.

A.

#1495 News & Announcements » Linux 5.6 kernel release news » 2020-03-30 17:26:32

Altoid
Replies: 4

Hello:

Anyone else read this?

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/03/3 … _released/

Actually, nothing much out of the usual but for this exception:

There's also support for the Amazon Echo smart speaker ...

What the  *#&%!~  is wrong with the developers who came up with this stupidity?
Is the quarantine affecting them that much?

Does anyone really think it is actually useful to anyone to link your rig to this abomination and wilfully/knowingly set up a huge security risk?

http://theconversation.com/amazon-echos … ngs-130016

Is there a case for using a Alexa craps to remotely control a Linux box/device?

How is it that this actually slipped by Torvalds?

Absolutely uncanny ...

A.

#1496 Re: DIY » the benefits of highlighting console output » 2020-03-29 23:10:17

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

Is that at all possible?

Finally found a clue here:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/103913/ … l-commands

The solution is within ~/.bashrc, where you have to edit this section of the script ...

# enable color support of ls and also add handy aliases
if [ -x /usr/bin/dircolors ]; then
    test -r ~/.dircolors && eval "$(dircolors -b ~/.dircolors)" || eval "$(dircolors -b)"
    alias ls='ls --color=auto'
    #alias dir='dir --color=auto'
    #alias vdir='vdir --color=auto'

    #alias grep='grep --color=auto'
    #alias fgrep='fgrep --color=auto'
    #alias egrep='egrep --color=auto'
fi

... to get this:

# enable color support of ls and also add handy aliases
if [ -x /usr/bin/dircolors ]; then
    test -r ~/.dircolors && eval "$(dircolors -b ~/.dircolors)" || eval "$(dircolors -b)"
    alias ls='ls --color=always'
    alias dir='dir --color=always'
    alias vdir='vdir --color=always'
    alias grep='grep --color=always'
    alias fgrep='fgrep --color=always'
    alias egrep='egrep --color=always'
    alias dmesg='dmesg --color=always'
fi

Basically what this is does is generate aliases with the --color=always modifier.

From what I have read in the link, it would seem that the --color= modifier is hard coded into dmesg as well as other utilities.
eg: apparently dir does not have it but ls does.

Cheers,

A.

#1497 Re: DIY » the benefits of highlighting console output » 2020-03-29 22:05:18

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

I'll have a good look at that and see if I can replace auto with always.

I have not been able to find out where to change this.

As I have mentioned, the output of dmesg is highlighted but the output of dmesg | grep whatever is not.

As expected, dmesg --color=always | grep whatever is highlighted.

My reasoning is that there is a script or file somewhere that sets dmesg to dmesg --color=auto, otherwise the output would be in the default b+w.

I've looked at the dmesg and terminal-colors.d man files to no avail.

There are references to $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/terminal-colors.d or $HOME/.config/terminal-colors.d to override the global setting but what I would like to is to change the global setting from dmesg --color=auto to dmesg --color=always for all the cli utilities I use, not only dmesg.  eg: ls, dir, etc.

It seems that aliases could be generated to do that but I think it would be better to make the change globally.

Is that at all possible? 

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1498 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Drive letter assignments [Solved] » 2020-03-29 20:40:16

Hello:

Camtaf wrote:

... using the disk UUIDs, (PARTUUIDs) ...

Yes, that did it.

Camtaf wrote:

... or using labels ...

That too ...
But then I realised that a label could end up not being as unique as a UUID.

Thanks a lot for your input.

Cheers,

A.

#1499 Hardware & System Configuration » Drive letter assignments [Solved] » 2020-03-28 14:31:43

Altoid
Replies: 3

Hello:

I use conky to monitor the temperature of my SAS/SATA drives with this configuration:

TEMPERATURES
${hr 2}
${execpi 5 sensors | grep Core | awk '{print $1 $2 $3}' | cut -c1-15}
${hr 0.3}
/dev/sda: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/sda | cut -c 35-55}
/dev/sdb: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/sdb | cut -c 37-57}
/dev/sdc: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/sdc | cut -c 32-55}
/dev/sdd: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/sdd | cut -c 37-55}
/dev/sde: ${execi 60 hddtemp /dev/sde | cut -c 55-65}

The readout I get is ...

/dev/sda: 27 C
/dev/sdb: 44 C
/dev/sdc: 50 C
/dev/sdd: 45 C
/dev/sde: 39 C

But everytime I plug in an external drive or a reader, forget to unplug it and reboot, the readout gets mangled as whatever I have plugged in gets assigned one of the already assigned drive letters and scrambling the readout.

It makes me remember that I have left something plugged in but it is a nuisance.  =-)

Is there a way to get the system to keep the already assigned drive letters in place and assign vacan ones to whatever gets plugged in?

Thanks in advance,

A.

#1500 Re: DIY » the benefits of highlighting console output » 2020-03-26 10:38:12

Hello:

Geoff 42 wrote:

The default is color=auto according to man dmesg.

Thank you for pointing that out in such a gentle manner.
Should know better by now, must make it a point of looking through the man files before asking.  =-7

Geoff 42 wrote:

... page also has a section on COLORS ...

I'll have a good look at that and see if I can replace auto with always

Geoff 42 wrote:

I use rxvt as my terminal and it is able to display colours.

I'll check that out also.

Thanks a lot, you have been very helpful.

Cheers,

A.

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