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#1226 Desktop and Multimedia » xorg-server Xorg 21.1.0 - first release candidate since 1.20.0 » 2021-09-22 00:52:46

Altoid
Replies: 4

Hello:

Just a heads-up.

Got this in my inbox this evening from xorg-announce@lists.x.org:

Povilas Kanapickas wrote:

This is the first release candidate of Xorg 21.1.0 release.
Notable changes since 1.20 include:

  - The meson support is now fully mature. While autotools support will still be
  kept for this release series, it will be dropped afterwards.

  - Glamor support for Xvfb.

  - Variable refresh rate support in the modesetting driver.

  - XInput 2.4 support which adds touchpad gestures.
 
  - DMX DDX has been removed.
 
  - X server now correctly reports display DPI in more cases which may affect
  rendering of client applications on hi-DPI screens.

  A large number of small features and various bug fixes.

Note that since 21.1 series XWayland is released separately and thus this
release does not include it.

I expect to push subsequent release candidates roughly every two weeks.

The following is a full changelog since xserver 1.20.0. ...

--- snip ---

The changelog follows, long-ish as would be expected from such an upgrade. ie: 1.20.0 -> 21.1.0
The X.org site most surely has the details if anyone is interested in the details.

Seems that TEM was quite right.  8^D
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=26536#p26536

ToxicExMachina wrote:

It's FUD from Microsoft related company. X.org is still alive.

X.org is indeed still alive.

Best,

A.

#1227 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Blanking screen » 2021-09-15 12:40:10

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:
Altoid wrote:

ie: Does it write to the conf file?

No it doesn't. It bypasses xorg.conf completely.

I found this bit at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Displa … _Signaling

Note:
XScreenSaver and xfce4-power-manager use their own DPMS settings and override xset configuration.

See XScreenSaver#DPMS https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/XScree … g_settings

and

Xfce#Display blanking https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xfce#Display_blanking

To note for anyone using Xfce:

XScreenSaver
If xscreensaver is installed and runs alongside Xfce Power Manager, it may not be clear which application is in control of blanking and DPMS as both are competing for control of the same settings. Therefore, in a situation where it is important that the monitor not be blanked (when watching a video for instance), it is advisable to disable blanking and DPMS through both applications. To know more about XScreenSaver options, see XScreenSaver#DPMS and blanking settings.

Hmm ...
... competing for control of the same settings.

A classic case of right hand not knowing what left one does or too many fingers in the pie.
Maybe a bit of both, you'd think the chaps at Xfce would be a bit more careful.

As my WS is not dependent on battery power, I long ago decided to get rid of xfce4-power-manager and all associated files.

Cheers,

A.

#1228 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Blanking screen » 2021-09-14 22:44:56

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

... bypasses xorg.conf completely.

Interesting ...

Thanks.
I'll give it a read.

Dutch_Master wrote:

... need to figure out which system boot script would be the best ...

I guess (?) you could write up a script, save it to /usr/local/bin/ and put it in your /etc/rc.local so it will run.
eg: this is the stuff I have in mine, with comments.

groucho@devuan:~$ cat /etc/rc.local
#!/bin/sh -e
#
# rc.local
#
# This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel.
# Make sure that the script will "exit 0" on success or any other
# value on error.
#
# In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution
# bits.
#
# By default this script does nothing.
#
# to set all /proc/acpi/wakeup entries to 'disabled'
# no wakeup from S4 for anything
# does not survire reboot that's why it is here
# see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=29113#p29113
#
/usr/local/bin/acpi_wakeups.sh
#
# to disable wol via ethtool at boot
# does not survire reboot that's why it is here
#
# /sbin/ethtool -s eth0 wol d
#
# 20210602 - changed for script in /usr/local/bin
# see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4349 
#
# /usr/local/bin/no_wol.sh
#
# e1000e module is now patched to disable WoL
# see /usr/src/e1000e-patch 1001
groucho@devuan:~$ 
Dutch_Master wrote:

May take a while I'm afraid ...

Nah!
Try the rc thing, should work.
The trick is to write the script with the correct syntax.  8^|

Best,

CIV

#1229 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Blanking screen » 2021-09-14 20:33:06

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

... forgotten about DPMS and a quick search on the web gave me the command

xset dpms 0 0 0 && xset s noblank  && xset s off #as root!

I wonder how that command relates to the settings in xorg.conf.
ie: Does it write to the conf file?

Could you please post the link where you got the information?

TIA.

Best,

A.

#1230 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Blanking screen » 2021-09-14 11:56:56

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

Plain Beowulf+Mate install.

I run Beowulf on a backported kernel, Xfce and a three monitor setup:

Linux devuan 5.10.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.13-1~bpo10+1 (2021-02-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux

It uses two Nvidia FX 580 (G96GL) cards and Nvidia proprietary legacy drivers.

I set up my xorg.conf file with DPMS set to disabled:

Section "Screen"
    Identifier     "ScreenLeft"      <- same for "ScreenCenter and "ScreenRight" 
    Device         "DeviceLeft"
    Monitor        "Monitor0"
    DefaultDepth    24
    Option         "DPMS" "False"
    SubSection     "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes      "1280x1024"
    EndSubSection
EndSection

 
This is clearly reflected in /var/log/Xorg.0.log:

groucho@devuan:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep -i dpms
[    33.335] (**) Extension "DPMS" is disabled
groucho@devuan:~$ 

In addition to all this, if I run Applications -> Settings -> Screensaver (XscreenSaver 5.42) I get a pop-up that says   

Warning:
The XScreenSaver daemon doesn't seem to be running on display ":0.0".
Launch it now?

My three monitors are 2x SyncMaster 940n + a Dell P1914S in the centre.

One would think that none of them would blank at all, no?

Well, one of the SyncMaster 940n units ("ScreenLeft" in xorg.conf) turns off after a while.   

No idea why and does not really matter but ....

Best,

A.

#1231 Re: Other Issues » recommend a good email prgram » 2021-09-09 11:28:33

Hello:

durham wrote:

... what is everyone using as their email program?

Everyone? 
Nope, probably just me. 8^)

In my previous life as a MS OS user (DOS5.5 / W3.11 -> XPSP3), after a short run with the free version of Eudora, I switched to Pegasus Mail in early 1996.

Many years later, being able to use Pegasus Mail under Linux (via Wine) was one of the two deal-breaking programmes that made it possible to make a seamless switch to Linux and leave the MS OS environment for good, the other was Judd Montgomery's JPilot.

Once comfortably settled within Linux, I tried out most if not all the available options but none were good enough, Claws-Mail coming close.
But it simply did not have the same functionality I have come to appreciate in David Harris' free albeit not open source programme.

This year marks the 25th. I have been using Pegasus Mail and can only say it is quite solid and reliable, has never let me down.

Just my $0.02.

Best,

A.

#1232 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Wicd in Chimaera (It's not, but...) » 2021-08-23 22:06:49

Hello:

golinux wrote:

PLEASE keep this thread focused on the possibility of running wicd in Chimaera.

+1
Thank you.

A.

#1233 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how do I set the default directory to / when I use su? » 2021-07-31 13:57:54

Hello:

Yes, I know ...

But old habits die hard, very.  8^/

But thanks for the heads up.
Eventually, I guess.

Best,

A.

BTW:
I see a chap by the name of Andy Tanenbaum has an entry there.
I have not ever been around Unix and have only 10 years or so in Linux.

But reading the page made me wonder: Is this Tanenbaum (genetically or otherwise) related to systemd's Poettering?
Just curious ...

A.

#1234 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how do I set the default directory to / when I use su? » 2021-07-30 15:49:18

Hello:

GlennW wrote:

No, that's what I have to do.

I see.

So ...
You want to do su - and be sent directly to / without the cd / bit.
Sorry, it seems that I've reached my pay grade limit.  8^|

GlennW wrote:

... thank you for trying ...

You're welcome.

Best,

A.

#1235 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how do I set the default directory to / when I use su? » 2021-07-30 13:28:25

Hello:

GlennW wrote:
glenn@GamesBox ~ $ cat /etc/default/su
ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes
glenn@GamesBox ~ $ 

Right ...
Now, open the terminal and do ...

~ $ su -

That should get you to /root.

And from there you can cd / to /.

Is that what you meant to do?

Best,

A.

#1236 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » how do I set the default directory to / when I use su? » 2021-07-30 10:24:45

Hello:

GlennW wrote:

Thank you ...

You're welcome.

GlennW wrote:

this is what I have...

glenn@GamesBox ~ $ su
Password: 
root@GamesBox:/home/glenn# 

Open a terminal and do ...

~ $ cat /etc/default/su

Please post the output.

Best,

A.

#1238 Re: News & Announcements » X.Org ------> ex-org? » 2021-07-29 20:26:32

Hello:

ToxicExMachina wrote:

... FUD from Microsoft related company.
X.org is still alive.

Indeed ... 8^D

Got this a while ago from xorg-announce@lists.x.org:

----

Subject: [ANNOUNCE] xorg-server 1.20.13

Matt Turner (1):
      xserver 1.20.13
Łukasz Spintzyk (2):
      present: fallback get_crtc to return crtc belonging to screen with present extension
      modesetting: unflip not possible when glamor is not set
git tag: xorg-server-1.20.13

https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … .13.tar.gz
https://xorg.freedesktop.org/archive/in … .13.tar.xz

----

Best,

A.

#1239 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-25 14:53:55

Hello:

Altoid wrote:

... filed a question here for the tabs drop down issue: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1344723

Maybe it is now a moot point.
Seeing that Pale Moon did not suffer from this and other innovations, I asked at the Pale Moon forum.

ron_1 wrote:

Pale Moon is a hard fork of Firefox. There isn't any new mozilla code that will find its way into PM. It's been this way for quite a while now.

I did not know that.

It seems a good reason to stay with Pale Moon, LibreWolf does not follow the same path.
As always, YMMV.     

Best,

A.

#1240 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-23 13:25:05

Hello:

Kelsoo wrote:

No flash, all the websites linked work. about:config is avalible ...

Sorry ...
When I made reference to about:config it was not because it was not available, it is.

I meant to say that I did not find anything in about:config which would get the drop down menus to work as they did before.
Or get the tabs below the toolbar as they were before, the option I found on the web is no longer available / no longer works.
ie: browser.tabs.onTop -> boolean: false

---> rant
No idea what these chaps at Firefox were thinking when they made these changes, but they lost me after many (many) years.
And from what I have read on-line, it seems there are a great many annoyed users like me.
<--- /rant

I filed a question here for the tabs drop down issue: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1344723
Let's see what I get from that.

I tried librewolf which worked fine, but it has the same UI issues (drop down to the wrong side and tabs on top) which do not seem to be something about:config can solve. I will keep it installed as a back up option just in case.

From what I was seeing, there was something .js related that got screwed up in Pale Moon and not problem with Flash.
After hours searching for a clue/lead to fix it, I decided to do something I loathe: rip out everything and start over.

ie: à la MS.    8^|

I backed up my /home/user/palemoon folder and my bookmarks to an external drive.
Then carefully weeded out any and all Pale Moon related files, rebooted and checked again to make sure absolutely everything was gone.

I then copied the palemoon folder back in place.

Result?
It now works as it was working before all this went down.

Something got very seriously screwed up in the Pale Moon installation.
Maybe a configuration file?
No idea which or where but it seems it was not in the /home/user/palemoon folder.

I think it could have been some script related add-on I tried which, when uninstalled, did not leave things as it had found them.
Hence the .js issues.

I any case, problem solved.

Thanks to all who pitched in.

Best,

A.

#1241 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-22 12:15:59

Hello:

golinux wrote:

... "View Page Source" which would answer your question.

Thanks I'll have a look at that.

golinux wrote:

... currently on Palemoon and this option is available.

I'm on Pale Moon 29.3.0 64bit

Maybe it is something else.
eg: see this post https://www.reddit.com/r/palemoon/comme … espond_to/.

If I left click on the "View entire discussion (10 comments)" tab, nothing happens.

---
Q: Does it work for you? - Can you click and see the next 10 comments?
---

Another thing is that sites which have a captcha are not showing it at all, I can only see it with some other browser.
ie: no on-screen indication of a captcha field whatsoever.

But I find both Firefox, Librewolf and probably anything else Firefox based to be unusable.
The way the drop down from the folders in the Bookmarks toolbar always opens to the right instead of opening to the side of the screen that has available space is a real PITA, probably the main reason I dropped Firefox. (I have a three screen setup, used to work perfectly well)

It got that way one day after an update and apparently (as far as I know) there's no way to fix it.
ie: no about:config setting.

I won't even go into what the UI has morphed into or the push to use their sync to back up everything in your browser.

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

#1242 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 21:49:12

Hello:

anticapitalista wrote:

... comment on the Grauniad typo ...

Indeed ...
If nothing else, true to style.  -> 8^D

Cheers,

A.

#1243 Re: Installation » It's not just Wondows: apparently we have a problem » 2021-07-21 19:20:28

Hello:

Dutch_Master wrote:

... including using systemd as default init system tongue

Indeed.

I was being facetious, I seriously doubt they will backpedal on this.

Best,

A.

#1244 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 18:55:39

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Both of the linked sites work fine for me.
... cartoons need javascript to be displayed properly but my beloved Guardian still works ...

Thanks for the info.

I may just have to dump Palemoon.
One of my favourites at The Guadian is the feature "Best photographs of the day", although I can see the photos, the captions are missing.

Could you check if it is a Flash thing or something else?

Thanks in advance.

Best,

A.

#1245 Re: Installation » It's not just Wondows: apparently we have a problem » 2021-07-21 18:50:28

Hello:

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

... local vulnerability so unlikely to trouble most desktop users.

Good to know.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

... exploitable in Debian 11 ...
... user namespaces have been enabled by default:
Bad decision...

Yes, I agree.

... Debian default was to restrict this feature to processes running as root, because it exposed more security issues in the kernel.
... confident that the risk of enabling it is outweighed by the security benefits ...
https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra … 2021-33909

Maybe they should weigh the risk again?

Thank for your input.

Best,

A.

#1246 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 15:07:27

Hello:

andyprough wrote:

... view those sites and cartoons OK with Brave browser and with LibreWolf browser.
... those browsers have had flash enabled for a long time.
Some sites just perform better with particular browsers ...
Doesn't look like there's any flash problem with those two sites.

The thing is that up to a few days I did not have these issues with Palemoon.

eg: the captcha feature some sites have is not working in my bank account.

I'll check those out but maybe something's gone awry (?) with my Palemoon installation.

Thanks for the heads up.

Best,

A.

#1247 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 13:55:47

Hello:

andyprough wrote:

... try the Palemoon forum?

No.

andyprough wrote:

... moonchild and Tobin would just LOVE to argue with you ...

Not interested in arguing with anyone.

Best,

A.

#1248 Installation » It's not just Wondows: apparently we have a problem » 2021-07-21 12:04:23

Altoid
Replies: 8

Hello:

From this morning's edition of ElReg:

https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/21/ … scalation/

Richard Speed wrote:

It's not just Windows: a security hole has been discovered in Linux kernels since version 3.16 that can be exploited by rogue users and malware already on a system to gain root-level privileges. The vulnerability has been assigned the ID CVE-2021-33909.

Dubbed Sequoia by the Qualys team that found and responsibly reported the flaw, we're told the bug is present in "default installations of Ubuntu 20.04, Ubuntu 20.10, Ubuntu 21.04, Debian 11, and Fedora 34 Workstation. Other Linux distributions are likely vulnerable and probably exploitable." Thus, check for updates and install them as soon as you can as patches should be available by now now or shortly for your distro.

Technical details of the file-system-code-level programming blunder are here. Qualys' proof-of-concept exploit required 5GB of RAM and a million inodes to succeed.

Qualys also found another security weakness in Linux systems, CVE-2021-33910, a denial-of-service kernel panic via systemd. Patches are also available so grab those updates, too.

I don't know how high the possibilities of this being executed are, but I thought I'd point to it for those who know more about these things.

Best,

A.

#1249 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 11:41:04

Hello:

blackhole wrote:

Which newspapers/sites are still using flash...?

In this site, https://projects.newsday.com/cartoons/o … rtoons/#!/ I cannot see the cartoonists' work.
In this site, https://www.theguardian.com/international some content does not render properly ie: as it did before.
I'm attributing it all to Flash, maybe I'm mistaken?

I've come across others.

Best,

A.

#1250 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Browsers and the demise of Adobe Flash Player » 2021-07-21 11:35:50

Hello:

andyprough wrote:

... project called "ruffle" that seeks to be a flash emulator.
... used by the Internet Archive ...

Thanks for the suggestion, but Palemoon does not support WebExtensions.

Best,

A.

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