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#101 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-06 07:24:34
Well, let's say you are a developper with small capacities. You would like to give your users a chance that it runs on a good number of different linux systems. Why should you not use AppImage here? I see that it does need much more space but else?
From point of the users, what is wrong when I can uses i.e. Gimp 2.10 years bevore it is available in the final stable branches?
I as the maintainer of AVMultimedia even can offer a release with 2 GB RAM (as I did it yesterday) because I don't include all the more optonal programs that are done with AppImage. And just to clarify this out, this optional Apps are already presented uncompressed so they run speedy.
Ok, I don't love them too, because they need more space then a traditional package but I don't love too all this packages that are becoming bigger and bigger in every release. The difference from Devuan ASCII to Beowulf on AVMultimedia is arround 800 MByte (6.5 GB to 5.7 which is a plus of 13 percent) more needed space with the same amount of packages.
And yes I see that sometimes there are 100 mb of icons in apps but I also see that noebody takes care that on a distribution all icons look pretty cool.
Actually I see about 450 mb of firmware, yes I don't like it. But I too see: a) an open source graphic driver from amd with a firmware blob or b) a closed driver from another manufactor. I don't like a) but b) is even more worse. In my private and business environment nearly all use Windows or Mac Without all this mltimedia stuff no chance that they even have a look at it.
My wish is not to use all over AppImage, but sometimes I don't see any alternatives. And yes, if someone sees better alternatives, then I'm ready to use them.
#102 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-06 00:39:02
First of all, I just published an iso (running it again with 2 gb). So if you have 8 GB RAM, that cannot be the problem. But your stick should be 4GB.
Please start once without harddisk and network. So about needed RAM I cann tell you:
What happens if AVMultimedia is started with less than 4 GB RAM?
If less than 3000 MB memory is available, some programs will not load: GIMP, Scratch3, Gcompris and Sozi. The lowest limit for use is 2 GB.
Why can't I start GIMP, Scratch3, Gcompris and/or Sozi?
Probably less than 3000 MB of main memory are available. In this case the above applications are not integrated. However, the first three can be downloaded manually as AppImage packages.
How do I start the different menu items when booting without UEFI?
Below eight codes are given: dhd dno dhda dhda dnoa ehd eno ehda enoa
The first letter corresponds to the language (d/e}, the following two letters are about whether the hard disk should be used (hd/no) and if an 'a' is listed at the end, this means that acpi_osi= is set.
So start your box i.e. eno or enoa
#103 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-05 19:00:51
How much RAM do you have?
You can stop the install process with the flag 'stop.75' (fill in the last stage you see on the screen), then you get a login or shell (login will be user archivista and password archivista, then go to root with su). It would be helpfully If you could check for 'cat /proc/meminfo'. Also information gives 'dmesg'. And if it is on real hardware 'lspci' does too help. If network card is there, you can start a telnetd server from /telnetd.sh (if needed change ip adress). For virtualization I compiled e1000 card into kernel, this card is always available. If you are over stage 50, /etc/init.d/ssh should too work.
If you boot with legacy, you start it with 'ram ramonly stop.75', so it does not try to get harddisk and network and stops at stage 75.
The older iso does not need the same amount of RAM, a lot of packages are bigger under beowulf. I checked it on about 5 old pcs, it worked (more old pc I don't have).
About 2gb ram, I currently am working on it (probably we will not load all squashfs files).
#104 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-05 15:45:33
I'm using this iso:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/archiv … ia2019.iso
You got the wrong one, I renamed it, it is always avmultimedia.iso to download
Questions:
- How do I re-open an app after I minimize its window? I can't find it anywhere.
In the old relase, you only get it with Alt+Tab, in the current release you get it in the panel.
- Is there a way to boot without putting the whole image into ram? I don't mind waiting a few seconds for an app to open.
Well, technicially it would be possible, but I can't see any good reason for it. Why would you like it to have?
Suggestions:
- Set the keyboard layout to match the language and/or put a keyboard switcher on the panel.
note: I was able to change the layout with 'dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' and it changed immediately, but only once. On subsequent boots, it did not change the layout.)
A keyboard swither is in discussion, but currently it is done in Mate, see our FAQs unter:
http://archivista.ch/cms/en/support-2/avmultimedia-2/
Put the same options in the isolinux boot menu that are in the grub boot menu.
Will think about it, but might I ask why you don't use uefi?
From what I can see, this is ascii with a 4.19 kernel. I checked a few packages, and they are from ascii. (libc6, util-linux). If you got to beowulf by upgrade, it looks like it was not complete.
Again, you got the wrong release, the old one was ascii, the new avmultimedia.iso is beowulf and kernel 5.2.9. I see big differences in speed on graphic cards but even network works for me much faster. I never so far had 110 mb from a virtual instance to the machine up to the latest kernel, very cool.
If you have any further questions (and if you can live with my "bad" english), your are welcome to ask.
#105 Devuan Derivatives » Questions and Answers to AVMultimedia » 2019-09-04 22:36:11
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Tonight I tried to put together the most important questions and answers about AVMultimedia. This is currently not a manual, but there is a first answer to many questions:
http://archivista.ch/cms/en/support-2/avmultimedia-2/
If you have any questions, just ask. I will then try to answer.
#106 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-04 16:09:20
And yes, I just made an new version. Change was/is that if you boot without harddisk, the network too is not connected automaticially. You still can connect after it with WICD or network manager of AVMultimedia under menu System -> AVMUltimedia.
#107 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-04 15:47:50
Oh, thank you for having a look. I give you some information (in case it does not work).
1. If possible, use uefi to boot, if not usb is too possible
2. if the first english option (with harddisk) does not work, use the one without harddisk
3. If it does not work without harddisk, you can go to 'e' on the menu item, then you can edit the boot options
4. I try to give you some information about the boot options below:
linux /vmlinuz quiet loglevel=0 splash ram md5.eb40e29a7434fdba02bf4e26cf43009d auto acpi_osi= silent lang.enquiet loglevel.0 splash = if you remove them you get more log information in first stage boot
ram => always needed
md5.eb40e29a7434fdba02bf4e26cf43009d => always different, does check if the initrd is correct
auto => always needed, currently there is no manual setup
acpi_osi= => only needed on some computers (i.e. on my acer 5 swift, without this flag, the trackball does not work). Sometimes you can use acpi_osi=windows, but sometimes you cannot use it (so it is not there in the first boot options)
silent => if removed there is a text based installer
The most important point to figure out is stop.xx (stop.10). With this flag you can stop the installler at a certain point (you well get a shell).
And one final note to the installer: It is perl based, you find it in the initrd under /install1.pl
Normally you don't need anything of it, but in case you get troubles this is the procedure to find out what is wrong.
And one final note, default password is always archivista
#108 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-03 19:21:16
AVMultimedia can be purchased here
Link please?
Sorry, my language is German and the german text was automaticially translated into English. And normally I do reread and check it. Even we sell a tablet (only with Swiss German keyboard), see https://azurgo.ch/produkt/avmultimedia/ I did not wanted to write this, I wanted to write "download" (I corrected it now).
But anywhere if sonewone is interested in running it on notebook/tablets, I personally use a ultralight Acer Swift 5 (<1kg) and ASUS Transformer T101HA works very well, but not the modell with the pen (the pen works, but not the sound card). If you have an Intel Celeron or i3..i9, there should not be a problem. Ryzen works very well (due to Kernel 5.2.x), but frankly spoken I would be interested to get feedback from users with their hardware.
#109 Re: Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-03 16:17:50
Currently there is no own web page, but you find some information here:
http://archivista.ch/cms/en/news/amd-ryzen-and-4k/
http://archivista.ch/cms/en/news/avmultimedia-2019v/
I made a presentation at last Augsburger Linux Day, but it is in German:
#110 Devuan Derivatives » AVMultimedia with Devuan Beowulf: A powerful RAM based desktop » 2019-09-03 15:57:43
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A power desktop for the whole family. AVMultimedia works completely in RAM, so it's quick to start and fast to work with. Mate is used as the desktop. Thanks to Kernel 5.2.x many new graphics cards are perfectly supported. This allows AVMultimedia to edit movies wonderfully, even in 4K quality. The distribution comes with many ready-to-use applications. A selection: LibreOffice, Firefox, Gimp, Scribus, VLC, Kodi, Flowbalde, Kdenlive, QMapShack, Audacity, Rosegarden, Musescore, native Scratch3 support, GCompris. Unlike other distributions, AVMultimedia is not installed, but only started in the main memory directly from the ISO/USB stick. Thanks to compression, it is possible to keep approx. 6 GB of software in RAM even with computers that only have 4 GB of main memory, which leads to very fluid work (especially on older computers). Support for touch screens and tablets (turning the screen 90 degrees) is available (although not all devices could be tested). AVMultimedia can be downloaded here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/archivista/
https://osdn.net/projects/avmultimedia/releases/
Latest version is always avmultimedia.iso
Hardware requirements: 4 GB RAM, AMD64 Bit, ISO file with approx. 2 GByte
Currently available in German and English
If you get any troubles, please have a look in the FAQs:
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