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#1101 Re: Off-topic » best criticism of systemd » 2022-08-05 23:00:44

Dutch_Master wrote:

There's always the wayback archive wink

I fixed it.  It was missing the final "l" in the html.  Might have been just htm at the time. I fixed aitor's link and it works now. Takes me back almost 10 years when the debate was raging . . .

#1102 Re: Off-topic » best criticism of systemd » 2022-08-05 22:55:24

Yes, that was it but sadly, that link died years ago. sad  It was reposted on a site but I can't remember the name atm. It might no longer exist . . .

#1103 Re: Off-topic » best criticism of systemd » 2022-08-05 20:03:07

GNUser wrote:

I bumped into this the other day and found it to be the best and most level-headed criticism of systemd I've yet seen:
http://landley.net/notes-2014.html#23-04-2014
It's worth reading.

There were other excellent critiques written at the time. I remember one by Jude Nelson in particular but it all fell on deaf ears. The Debian GR vote put the nail in the coffin of init diversity in Debian. For those of you who weren't here to  live through it, the following analyses are "required reading":

Combatting revisionist history by dasein on the Debian forum
Open letter to the Linux World by Christoper Barry on the LKML.

#1104 Re: Installation » [Solved] desktop and minimal live isos not booting on usb » 2022-08-05 19:45:03

Happy to hear you're up and running and that you think it is "beautiful". The screen resolution stuff may have to do with the fact that the minimal live was designed for visually impaired access. Yeah, hardware can bite sometimes.  smile

#1105 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 15:49:11

I think this topic has run its course . . . smile

#1106 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 15:06:52

tomasz wrote:
golinux wrote:

@tomasz . . .  What we choose with each intentional action sets the course of our life. Easy to shoot oneself in the foot so best to choose wisely . . .

Hard to disagree. But the filter situation also means that if I have something to share with you, it will be published on Debian's Salsa.

Some things are not meant to be . . . smile

#1107 Re: Other Issues » How to boot the minimal-live from USB? » 2022-08-05 14:20:36

auanta wrote:
golinux wrote:

It might boot UEFI though.  wink

couldn't resist . . .

I don't get it . . .

I was poking at your typo.

#1108 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 14:14:25

@tomasz . . .  What we choose with each intentional action sets the course of our life. Easy to shoot oneself in the foot so best to choose wisely . . .

#1109 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-05 03:36:07

@auanta . . . Have you actually looked at the website? The Explore page in the navbar lists all the documentation included in the website and some links point to resources elsewhere.

There is also a lot of practical documentation on this very forum as well as the DNG mail list.

#1110 Re: Other Issues » How to boot the minimal-live from USB? » 2022-08-05 02:51:21

It might boot UEFI though.  wink

couldn't resist . . .

#1111 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] How to INSTALL the .ISO that Refracta Snapshot creates? » 2022-08-04 16:00:43

ComputerBob wrote:

I can find NO INSTRUCTIONS ANYWHERE for how to INSTALL the Refracta-created .ISO -- all I ever see is articles all over the internet that tell how to CREATE the .ISO, and a few forum posts, here and there, that mention "just install the .ISO and you're good to go!"

Would someone please explain how to install the .ISO, so that I can restore Devuan to my hard drive?

Try https://refracta.org/documents.html

#1112 Re: Forum Feedback » How about adding Index >> Discuss >> "Init System"? » 2022-08-04 15:35:56

Altoid wrote:

Fortunately and for the time being Devuan is doing quite alright with what the devs and maintainers have on their respective plates, kudos to them. I say for the time being because in the present situation, nothing is a given.

Keeping Devuan Linux working in spite of the systemd onslaught on the Linux ecosystem takes a lot of work.

Yes . . . your assumption is correct . . . but we are a small team of individuals so the "bus factor" hangs over our heads. There is always "thrashing" in the community but very little interest in actually participating in the process. This model is not sustainable long term. Unless the community stops jawing and starts doing . . .

#1113 Re: Forum Feedback » How about adding Index >> Discuss >> "Init System"? » 2022-08-04 15:21:33

There is currently a discussion on the DNG mail list and skarnet is in the mix. It is a moderated list. Sign up and your first post will appear when I release it.

On this forum a thread in the Devuan topic would probably suffice,

As to whether there are enough init-knowledgeable users here . . . that remains to be seen. I predict a lot of thrashing . . .  big_smile

#1115 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-03 20:31:06

tomasz wrote:
golinux wrote:

I see now that this change was made to an incompletely updated file - that line was added but the other release references on the page were not updated and the page never transitioned to the Devuan website. Totally a screwup on our end to have missed that.

I can't tell, which line was added. Do you mean
this commit?

Yes, that line. `root@debian:~# apt-get install eudev sysvinit-core`. sysvinit-core was added to that line but never made it into the instructions on the website.

tomasz wrote:

I can't find your version anywhere in git. Was there a pull request?

The funky version  - bullseye-to-chimaera.md - is listed on this page which is not even edited properly for chimaera!

tomasz wrote:

The web site doesn't seem to mirror this repo at all.

This looks bad indeed. I think you should suspend this feature asap until it's fixed and tested well.

The website repo is HERE. I always worked directly on www but the new web person is doing it a different way (which I never understood).  Seems it might need a rethink if important stuff like this is falling through the cracks . . .

#1116 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-03 19:06:21

auanta wrote:

Maybe you can enlist me in the migration testing. What do I need to do? @golinux

Thanks for the offer, auanta. I am waiting for the Webmaster to sort it and upload the corrected instructions to devuan.org. I'll let you know when that's sorted.

#1117 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-03 18:48:31

tomasz wrote:

@golinux
2. You didn't link an url in the markup. Please update.

Ha . . . forgot to add the URL to the markdown.  Fixed.

tomasz wrote:

3. This is not a good moment for me to test the migration. I might not finish this task soon. Please ask someone reliable.

It will be tested when it's tested. At least we are now aware of the problem so thanks for the helpful input.

(golinux waits to hear from Xenguy . . . )

#1118 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-03 17:24:34

@tomasz . . . I think I found the problem!

The instructions should begin with this:

# Migrate from Debian Bullseye to Chimaera

It's necessary to [configure your network](network-configuration.md) before you begin, otherwise you will lose network access during the migration.

For migration from Debian Bullseye to Chimaera you need to install sysvinit-core before continuing.

root@debian:~# apt-get install sysvinit-core

. . .

I see now that this change was made to an incompletely updated file - that line was added but the other release references on the page were not updated and the page never transitioned to the Devuan website. Totally a screwup on our end to have missed that.

Would it be possible for you to test a migration adding that instruction?

#1119 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-03 14:57:08

tomasz wrote:
golinux wrote:

Any improvements to the current migration documentation would be appreciated.

How can this be done?

@tomasz . . .

1. Please open an account at https://git.devuan.org/
2. Clone the document you will need to edit
3. Commit you changes for review

I have asked the webmaster to identify the exact document from which you should be working as I was unable to discern the workflow from /documentation to /www.

Stay tuned . . .  smile

#1120 Re: Installation » Bullseye migration story » 2022-08-03 03:05:40

Welcome to the forum and thanks for taking the time to share your migration experience. I am only going to comment on the use of http vs https.

Please have a look at this page for basic information about Devuan's round-robin of repositories. If you want to use https, chose a specific mirror from the mirror list for your sources.list configuration. There is additional information about how the mirrors are set up here.

Any improvements to the current migration documentation would be appreciated.

#1121 Re: Other Issues » gkrellm skin 'BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)' » 2022-07-26 00:34:20

delgado wrote:

No error on my daedalus box. Maybe the package works for chimaera too?
Nice transparent theme.

I wonder what the magic sauce is that makes it work on your box. Could you please post what pkgs you have installed for gkrellm including plug-ins? Thanks!!f

#1122 Re: Off-topic » OT nonsense » 2022-07-25 23:07:44

Good bye.  Please find a more suitable place to vent. I am giving you an opportunity to do so gracefully . . . Thank you.

(And now I need to decontaminate . . . )

#1123 Re: Off-topic » OT nonsense » 2022-07-25 21:21:59

@HoaS et all . . . Scratching an itch is an option but wouldn't it be better to eliminate the source of the aggravating itch? All beings are infinite combinations of mental and material properties. The attributes that we assign to incoming data are not reality. It is a mental construct, a prison, that keeps us bound to endless suffering.

#1124 Re: Off-topic » OT nonsense » 2022-07-25 18:48:49

brocashelm wrote:
golinux wrote:

Good grief . . . The problem isn't "out there". It's in YOUR head!  OUR heads. The perceived external differences are irrelevant.  The labels are irrelevant. The identifications are irrelevant. We all are living in a mental fabrication. It is about choice..

It is happening outside. Don't you realize it, with all the atrocities going on in the last several years and decades? The international bankers have never profited this much off a crisis (that they created themselves). Slowly, but surely, more people are waking up to this shit. Just like the problem of Systemd, and Devuan was created in response to it. If you see corruption, won't you speak up about it?

I have spoken up for a lot in my 80 years and am very good at it. Had Alcoa tied in knots for years.  Stopped an airport and a sludge dump and was in part responsible for the resignation of some local politicians. There was a shareholder resolution against WF after Y2K to do non-GMO labeling and sourcing. Oh . . . and Devuan and Free Software, of course.  smile

It was exhausting and in the grand scale of things wasn't even a drop in the ocean. Ultimately the solution is NOT out there. Happiness and "freedom" and ultimately "liberation" lies in understanding our internal responses and judgments to whatever is "out there" and seeing those phenomena as empty and unworthy of attention.  Think Gandhi . . . as long as there is an "us" and "them" there is no peace. Only bondage.

brocashelm wrote:

I didn't even get my "first" one -- I've realized it was a scam all along.

Exactly. I don't do any Western medicine or doctors. Period. Big money really has the masses on a treadmill. Most food available commercially makes the population sick then they go to the "experts" which makes them sicker. It is a closed circle scam to extract money from us and keep us fearful and obedient. They can kiss my skinny azz.

#1125 Re: Off-topic » OT nonsense » 2022-07-25 16:23:37

Good grief . . . The problem isn't "out there". It's in YOUR head!  OUR heads. The perceived external differences are irrelevant.  The labels are irrelevant. The identifications are irrelevant. We all are living in a mental fabrication. It is about choice..

In every moment WE CHOOSE greed and/or hatred and/or delusion or generosity and/or love and/or clarity and will bear the consequences of those choices. There is no escape from cause and effect and we each are creating our own future with each intentional action so choose wisely.

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