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#926 Re: Installation » Devuan doesn't have graphical user management » 2023-03-25 16:23:54

Hello:

boughtonp wrote:

... raised legitimate issues in XFCE, but blamed Devuan for those issues, and had a generally poor attitude.

Just to add: I have experienced exactly that type of thing when reporting issues related to windows crashing in XFCE.
As a result, I decided to be rid of XFCE as soon as I can get together my Chimaera/Openbox act.

Best,

A.

#927 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Lost sound, not sure if latest updates caused it » 2023-03-23 13:18:47

Hello:

Ron wrote:

... an answer for your popping sound.
--- snip ---

options snd-hda-intel power_save=0 power_save_controller=N

Exactly ...
That is what keps your sound controller from going to sleep, the pop being caused by the controller waking up, so to speak.
Depending on your hardware, it can get to be quite annoyning.

I don't think the options snd_hda_intel index=1,0 line is related to the pop.
It is probably related to the contents of /proc/asound/cards and /proc/asound/modules.

In my case:

~$ cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [Intel   ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
               HDA Intel at 0xf5ff8000 irq 35
 1 [Webcam  ]: USB-Audio - Genius Webcam
               KYE Systems corp. Genius Webcam at usb-0000:00:1d.7-2, high speed
~$
~$ cat /proc/asound/modules
 0 snd_hda_intel   <- Ultra 24 WS on board sound system
 1 snd_usb_audio   <- Genius Webcam microphone
~$ 

Best,

A.

#928 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Where did obmenu go? » 2023-03-23 09:59:57

Hello:

czeekaj wrote:

I still use the og obmenu.
After all we still use slim.

Quite so, it is yet another reason I am still on Beowulf.

Fortunately (unlike Wicd which is abandoned) it is getting worked on again.

See here.

Kudos and a big Thank You to Robert Pierce for stepping up to save SLiM.

Best,

A.

#929 Re: ARM Builds » Video turns off on high CPU usage with Devuan 4.0 on Raspberry PI 4 » 2023-03-18 20:32:36

Hello:

vanfanel wrote:

... throttling shouldn't cause video to go off. That's a different issue.

Yes, you are quite right.

But throttling is a feature to protect the CPU from overheating and (eventually) blowing.

So (IMO) throttling must be avoided and that's what a heatsink is for.

In my 3B+ (now unused, a huge dissapointment) the adding of a heatsink to the chip without the speader made an important difference, at least in the comprehensive tests I ran at the time.

Edit: this video may be of use to you, if not there are others.

As always, YMMV.

Best,

A.

#930 Re: Off-topic » Ken Thompson and Linux » 2023-03-17 19:34:23

Hello:

golinux wrote:

... gem from 2012:

Indeed ...

"We need free software.
Unless we control the software in the network, the network will in the end control us."

Thanks for that.

Best,

A.

#931 Re: Off-topic » Ken Thompson and Linux » 2023-03-17 18:17:14

Hello:

golinux wrote:

Made my day!!

You're welcome.

Don't miss this part:

"... even though I've invested a zillion years in Apple, I'm throwing it away, and I'm going to Linux. To Raspbian, in particular."

Pity it is a systemd distribution.

Best,

A.

#932 Off-topic » Ken Thompson and Linux » 2023-03-17 16:14:31

Altoid
Replies: 7

Hello:

This up today at ElReg:

https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/17/ … _a_maccie/

Liam Proven @theregister.com wrote:

Although Thompson is now 80 years old, he most recently worked at Google, where he co-developed Go… although his hiring caused problems: he refused to take the company's mandatory C proficiency test, on the feeble pretext that he designed the C language.

A must read/watch.  8^D

A good week-end to all.

A.

#933 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-16 23:55:53

Hello:

boughtonp wrote:

... because there's no obvious harm at the moment doesn't mean there isn't some hidden/future problem.

Maybe no even harm, obvious or not.
But *something* left behind that could/may, in conjunction with something else, bring up a problem or a situation that could bring up a problem.

boughtonp wrote:

... remembered inotify, which can monitor filesystem use ...

Good idea ...
Please keep us posted.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#934 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-16 20:29:09

Hello:

User479 wrote:

I'll keep digging.

Please do.

User479 wrote:

... not hurting anything ...

Not that you know of.

User479 wrote:

... just annoying now that I know about it.

Indeed ...

I think that what is annoying is that something (unknown to you) is creating a .config dir in /.

And from what I have been told, it should not be happening.
Unless at some time your $HOME was set to /.
Which does not seem to be the case.

Granted, it may not be a big deal, but it should not be happening.

My idea of things like these is that they should be investigated and fixed.
If it is a bug or an oversight, it should be squashed/fixed.

All those "won't fix because it is harmless" issues, warnings and/or bug reports which end up being swept under the rug will are not healthy.
I see it as lousy coding and may (eventually) end up causing issues somewhere in the system.

Of course, YMMV.

Best,

A.

#935 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-15 20:36:45

configHello:

User479 wrote:

... pulseaudio purged, an empty /.cache/ is getting created at each boot.

Not here:

~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 5.10.0-0.deb10.16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.127-2~bpo10+1 (2022-07-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux
~$ 

There is no .cache in my /.
All of them live in the /home/user dir.

And this is all the pulse I have:

~$ apt list | grep installed | grep -i pulse*
--- snip ---
debian-pulseaudio-config-override/oldstable,oldstable,now 1.0 all [installed,automatic]
libpulse0/oldstable,now 12.2-4+deb10u1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
libpulse0/oldstable,now 12.2-4+deb10u1 i386 [installed,automatic]
~$ 

Maybe something else is doing that?

Best,

A.

#936 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » How disable apparmor? » 2023-03-10 20:53:02

Hello:

humpty wrote:
Altoid wrote:

..
But then you upgrade the kernel and there it is again.
What I always do is purge apparmor after the upgrade..
A.

What about holding the package;  sudo apt-mark hold apparmor
or even pinning it ?

Would the upgrade still go through ?

Hmm ...
No idea.
Have not tried it but I don't see (?) why it shouldn't.

Yes, I guess I could pin it.
ie: the same way I do with pulseaudio and see what happens on the next upgrade.

Bear in mind that there are other apparmor related libraries which are/may be needed by other packages.

eg: libapparmor1

~$ aptitude why libapparmor1
i   stress-ng Depends libapparmor1 (>= 2.10)
~$ 

Edit:

It seems that there's more than stress-ng involved with libapparmor1.

~$ aptitude why libapparmor1
i   slim Depends dbus                    
i A dbus Depends libapparmor1 (>= 2.8.94)
~$

---> Very strange all this did not show up on my previous query to aptitude. <---

I have not used stress-ng in years, so I might as well get rid of it. and solve the issue.

We'll see how the pinning goes.

Best,

A.

#937 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-06 09:55:57

Hello:

steve_v wrote:

... strongly suspect we're going to need something like daemon ...

... as systemd user-units become more popular. continues to extend its tentacles further and further into Linux.   <--- reads better now, I think.

steve_v wrote:

... this /.config and /.cache garbage is created on chimera ...

Not only on chimaera.

I run Devuan Beowulf with a backported kernel.
I suspect it was there since ascii but can't confirm.

steve_v wrote:

... but not remove them if they exist ...
... not tracked by dpkg (for extra nastiness).

So I have seen.

steve_v wrote:

... absolutely consider this a bug to be fixed.

Probably to be reported to Debian.
Don't think it's a Devuan thing, but ...

steve_v wrote:

... has to do with pulse assuming systemd and doing broken things ...

... if that is so, it could/may be due to an incomplete/faulty sanitisation of the pulseaudio package by the Devuan devs.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#938 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-05 21:25:33

Hello:

User479 wrote:

... ditch pulseaudio on my destop.

Yes, but do remember to check the link I posted.
You don't want pulseaudio pulled in again by some uncouth package.

~$ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/avoid_pulseaudio
Package: pulseaudio:*
Pin: version *
Pin-Priority: -1
~$ 

Best,

A.

#939 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-05 19:57:13

Hello:

steve_v wrote:

... only where pulseaudio is involved.
... janky behaviour for potteringware ...
... extremely ugly.

Ah ...

boughtonp wrote:

... could still be a bug in pulseaudio ...

Could well be.
No matter, quite easy to fix.

First this:

# apt purge pulseaudio && apt autoclean && apt autoremove

And then this.

Best,

A.

Edit:
Out or curiosity (I purged pulseaudio two/three years ago) I went to see what was up in my / dir.

Seems that purging pulseaudio is not enough: I found  /.config/pulse and within it, two files.

One was a 26a708d3d7dc6778fc6ff9f55921b024-runtime file and the other was a cookie file and they were not size nought.

So I left the /.config dir (don't know if it is needed), but eliminated its contents.

#940 Re: Installation » Trouble with Nvidia drivers » 2023-03-02 14:38:41

Hello:

sneed4feed wrote:

The last time I updated my Nvidia drivers was probably before moving from beowulf to chimaera ...

Some Nvidia cards can no longer be used in Linux systems as Nvidia dropped support for them.
In my specific case, the 340.108 driver I use for my two perfectly working FX580 cards.

That is the main reason I am still on Devuan Beowulf running a backported kernel till I am forced to move on and use the Nouveau drivers.
Hopefully, they may work better than the last time I tried them.

You may want to have a read here and see if you find the answer you are looking for.

Best,

A.

#941 Hardware & System Configuration » BlackLotus malware, Secure Boot and Windows machines » 2023-03-02 10:50:26

Altoid
Replies: 2

Hello:

Just saw this article on The Register.

---
It's official: BlackLotus malware can bypass Secure Boot on Windows machines.
---

Best,

A.

#942 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Attention Dual/Multi-booters: Latest GRUB (2.06-2) disables os-prober » 2023-02-28 19:41:29

Hello:

piledriver wrote:

... figured it was some form of operator error ...

So ...
It's a bug in the grub installer?

Best,

A.

#943 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Attention Dual/Multi-booters: Latest GRUB (2.06-2) disables os-prober » 2023-02-27 10:38:44

Hello:

piledriver wrote:

... "missing grub binaries" were just a path issue, had to do "su -" to get proper roots path ...

This has been so since the Beowulf release:

Devuan 3.1.0 Beowulf Release Notes wrote:

### What's new in this release
--- snip ---
Changes in su
- The behavior of su has changed. Use 'su -' to get root's path or use
   the full path to commands if you use only 'su'.
   
- There are several ways to get the old behavior. The easiest is to
   edit /etc/default/su to add the line:

    ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes

   See the following for more information:
   https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/ … -variables
   https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster
   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=905564

piledriver wrote:

... the grub installation "appears" broken, as the usual grub binaries and scripts are mia-- i.e no "grub-install" "grub-mkconfig" etc.

Could this be a bug?

The grub installer seems to ignore the new su behaviour as described in https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf … _notes.txt.

Not running an efi box, so can't say much more about this.

Best,

A.

#944 Re: Off-topic » SP Flash Tool and lsusb. » 2023-02-21 22:37:37

Hello:

Haven't come across this but ...

I don't think there's any magic or wonder of any sort going on here.

The fact that lsusb does not show the connected device only means that.
ie: that it does not show/detect it.

But it does not mean that the SP Flash Tool cannot read the processor information belonging to the Android device.
ie: after all, it is the SP Flash Tool app that is doing the reading.

The thing is that (from what you are saying) the only place the SP Flash Tool can check the processor data is on the Android device.
And the only way the SP Flash Tool can do that is through the USB connection you established by plugging in the device.

That is, unless I am missing some new and recently develped tech.

Best,

A.

#945 Re: Installation » Got sound in Firefox with only alsa and JACK! » 2023-02-19 20:31:26

Hello:

swanson wrote:

... but it's not in the repos?

LibreWolf is not in the Debian repositories and as a direct consequence, you will not find it in the Devuan repositories.

Now ...
Why is it not in the Debian repository?

No idea ...
Maybe for the same reason a number of other distributions don't don't have it in theirs.

But I don't know what that reason is.

Best,

A.

#946 Re: Installation » Install on a recent lenovo going badly, anyone know an answer » 2023-02-18 19:58:00

Hello:

Mike-thinky wrote:

... next thing to try is to ...

Have you seen this article in The Register?

-----
How to get Linux onto a non-approved laptop
Dell certifies certain models for Linux, but if yours isn't, all is not lost
Liam Proven
Fri 22 Jul 2022 // 16:00 UTC
-----

Best,

A.

#947 Re: Installation » Interesting article - systemd reaches out further » 2023-02-18 10:13:00

Hello:

andyprough wrote:

... plenty of laptop vendors selling corebooted Linux laptops ...

I have not been into laptops/portables for for over 15 years now.
For me, they ended up being rather expensive propositions with a very limited lifespan and nought repair possibilities.
ie: in comparison to all other hardware I have owned.

andyprough wrote:

... if you want a desktop, you can just build your own ...

That's what I did for many years till I purchased the box I have now and upgraded it to its full potential.
It's a Sun Microsystems Ultra 24 WS purchased in late 2015, second hand with ~ 4 years' use but in mint condition.

Like you point out, this is a WinTel thing, which obviously includes AMD and it will continue as it has been a very profitable business model for all involved.

The thing is that I don't see where to look for an aternative board/processor for this nice box.
And as the article I linked to makes blindingly obvious, the systemd virus is expanding more and more each day.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#948 Re: DIY » sudo and slim » 2023-02-17 22:16:27

Hello:

nahkhiirmees wrote:

... mixed libcups2 with libavahi3 when writing the previous messages.

You should check that then.

nahkhiirmees wrote:

... configure apt in a way that it downloads/installs only the "Depends" ...

Yes, install with the --no-install-recommends flag.

eg:

apt install --no-install-recommends [package_name_here]

See https://superuser.com/questions/615565/ … recommends for how to make that permanent in apt.

Best,

A.

#949 Installation » Interesting article - systemd reaches out further » 2023-02-17 20:43:36

Altoid
Replies: 3

Hello:

Just came across this article from The Register, one of my usual reading spots every morn.

As I started to read it, I immediately recalled Mike-thinky's plight.

Just a small tidbit to whet your appetite:

Liam Proven at ElReg wrote:

Three of the last four new laptops that have landed on The Reg FOSS desk came with Windows' Bitlocker FDE turned on by default. (The only one that didn't was Tuxedo Computers' Stellaris gen 4, a gaming laptop with a multicolor illuminated mechanical keyboard. As a machine intended to run Linux, that's not really a surprise.)

Many users might never even notice it, unless they try to dual-boot the computer with a non-Windows OS and find that nothing else can read the disk. Never fear: we have described how to turn it off and make such a machine ready to dual-boot.

I for one won't be letting go of my legacy BIOS booting box anytime soon, even if I have to resort to learning how to spin a custom tailored kernel for it.
But ...

How long will I be able to hold out?

Best,

A.

#950 Re: DIY » sudo and slim » 2023-02-16 23:50:05

Hello:

nahkhiirmees wrote:

... but i wonder why it is needed?

Run this in a terminal:

~$ aptitude why libcups3

I run Devuan Beowulf with a backported kernel:

~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 5.10.0-0.deb10.16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.127-2~bpo10+1 (2022-07-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux
~$ 

I have cups installed:

~$ apt list | grep installed | grep -i cups
---
cups-bsd/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-client/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-common/oldstable,oldstable,oldstable-security,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 all [installed,automatic]
cups-core-drivers/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-daemon/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-filters-core-drivers/oldstable,now 1.21.6-5 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-filters/oldstable,now 1.21.6-5 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-ipp-utils/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-ppdc/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-server-common/oldstable,oldstable,oldstable-security,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 all [installed,automatic]
cups/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed]
libcups2/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
libcups2/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 i386 [installed]
libcupsfilters1/oldstable,now 1.21.6-5 amd64 [installed,automatic]
libcupsimage2/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
printer-driver-hpcups/oldstable,now 3.18.12+dfsg0-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
~$ 

But the library you referr to is not installed in my system:

~$ apt list | grep installed | grep -i libcups3
---
~$ 
~$ aptitude why libcups3
E: No package named "libcups3" exists.
~$ 

Maybe it is just a chimaera thing?

Best,

A.

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