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#826 Off-topic » Ken Thompson and Linux » 2023-03-17 16:14:31

Altoid
Replies: 7

Hello:

This up today at ElReg:

https://www.theregister.com/2023/03/17/ … _a_maccie/

Liam Proven @theregister.com wrote:

Although Thompson is now 80 years old, he most recently worked at Google, where he co-developed Go… although his hiring caused problems: he refused to take the company's mandatory C proficiency test, on the feeble pretext that he designed the C language.

A must read/watch.  8^D

A good week-end to all.

A.

#827 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-16 23:55:53

Hello:

boughtonp wrote:

... because there's no obvious harm at the moment doesn't mean there isn't some hidden/future problem.

Maybe no even harm, obvious or not.
But *something* left behind that could/may, in conjunction with something else, bring up a problem or a situation that could bring up a problem.

boughtonp wrote:

... remembered inotify, which can monitor filesystem use ...

Good idea ...
Please keep us posted.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#828 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-16 20:29:09

Hello:

User479 wrote:

I'll keep digging.

Please do.

User479 wrote:

... not hurting anything ...

Not that you know of.

User479 wrote:

... just annoying now that I know about it.

Indeed ...

I think that what is annoying is that something (unknown to you) is creating a .config dir in /.

And from what I have been told, it should not be happening.
Unless at some time your $HOME was set to /.
Which does not seem to be the case.

Granted, it may not be a big deal, but it should not be happening.

My idea of things like these is that they should be investigated and fixed.
If it is a bug or an oversight, it should be squashed/fixed.

All those "won't fix because it is harmless" issues, warnings and/or bug reports which end up being swept under the rug will are not healthy.
I see it as lousy coding and may (eventually) end up causing issues somewhere in the system.

Of course, YMMV.

Best,

A.

#829 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-15 20:36:45

configHello:

User479 wrote:

... pulseaudio purged, an empty /.cache/ is getting created at each boot.

Not here:

~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 5.10.0-0.deb10.16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.127-2~bpo10+1 (2022-07-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux
~$ 

There is no .cache in my /.
All of them live in the /home/user dir.

And this is all the pulse I have:

~$ apt list | grep installed | grep -i pulse*
--- snip ---
debian-pulseaudio-config-override/oldstable,oldstable,now 1.0 all [installed,automatic]
libpulse0/oldstable,now 12.2-4+deb10u1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
libpulse0/oldstable,now 12.2-4+deb10u1 i386 [installed,automatic]
~$ 

Maybe something else is doing that?

Best,

A.

#830 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » How disable apparmor? » 2023-03-10 20:53:02

Hello:

humpty wrote:
Altoid wrote:

..
But then you upgrade the kernel and there it is again.
What I always do is purge apparmor after the upgrade..
A.

What about holding the package;  sudo apt-mark hold apparmor
or even pinning it ?

Would the upgrade still go through ?

Hmm ...
No idea.
Have not tried it but I don't see (?) why it shouldn't.

Yes, I guess I could pin it.
ie: the same way I do with pulseaudio and see what happens on the next upgrade.

Bear in mind that there are other apparmor related libraries which are/may be needed by other packages.

eg: libapparmor1

~$ aptitude why libapparmor1
i   stress-ng Depends libapparmor1 (>= 2.10)
~$ 

Edit:

It seems that there's more than stress-ng involved with libapparmor1.

~$ aptitude why libapparmor1
i   slim Depends dbus                    
i A dbus Depends libapparmor1 (>= 2.8.94)
~$

---> Very strange all this did not show up on my previous query to aptitude. <---

I have not used stress-ng in years, so I might as well get rid of it. and solve the issue.

We'll see how the pinning goes.

Best,

A.

#831 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-06 09:55:57

Hello:

steve_v wrote:

... strongly suspect we're going to need something like daemon ...

... as systemd user-units become more popular. continues to extend its tentacles further and further into Linux.   <--- reads better now, I think.

steve_v wrote:

... this /.config and /.cache garbage is created on chimera ...

Not only on chimaera.

I run Devuan Beowulf with a backported kernel.
I suspect it was there since ascii but can't confirm.

steve_v wrote:

... but not remove them if they exist ...
... not tracked by dpkg (for extra nastiness).

So I have seen.

steve_v wrote:

... absolutely consider this a bug to be fixed.

Probably to be reported to Debian.
Don't think it's a Devuan thing, but ...

steve_v wrote:

... has to do with pulse assuming systemd and doing broken things ...

... if that is so, it could/may be due to an incomplete/faulty sanitisation of the pulseaudio package by the Devuan devs.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#832 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-05 21:25:33

Hello:

User479 wrote:

... ditch pulseaudio on my destop.

Yes, but do remember to check the link I posted.
You don't want pulseaudio pulled in again by some uncouth package.

~$ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/avoid_pulseaudio
Package: pulseaudio:*
Pin: version *
Pin-Priority: -1
~$ 

Best,

A.

#833 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] /.config and /.cache with Daedalus » 2023-03-05 19:57:13

Hello:

steve_v wrote:

... only where pulseaudio is involved.
... janky behaviour for potteringware ...
... extremely ugly.

Ah ...

boughtonp wrote:

... could still be a bug in pulseaudio ...

Could well be.
No matter, quite easy to fix.

First this:

# apt purge pulseaudio && apt autoclean && apt autoremove

And then this.

Best,

A.

Edit:
Out or curiosity (I purged pulseaudio two/three years ago) I went to see what was up in my / dir.

Seems that purging pulseaudio is not enough: I found  /.config/pulse and within it, two files.

One was a 26a708d3d7dc6778fc6ff9f55921b024-runtime file and the other was a cookie file and they were not size nought.

So I left the /.config dir (don't know if it is needed), but eliminated its contents.

#834 Re: Installation » Trouble with Nvidia drivers » 2023-03-02 14:38:41

Hello:

sneed4feed wrote:

The last time I updated my Nvidia drivers was probably before moving from beowulf to chimaera ...

Some Nvidia cards can no longer be used in Linux systems as Nvidia dropped support for them.
In my specific case, the 340.108 driver I use for my two perfectly working FX580 cards.

That is the main reason I am still on Devuan Beowulf running a backported kernel till I am forced to move on and use the Nouveau drivers.
Hopefully, they may work better than the last time I tried them.

You may want to have a read here and see if you find the answer you are looking for.

Best,

A.

#835 Hardware & System Configuration » BlackLotus malware, Secure Boot and Windows machines » 2023-03-02 10:50:26

Altoid
Replies: 2

Hello:

Just saw this article on The Register.

---
It's official: BlackLotus malware can bypass Secure Boot on Windows machines.
---

Best,

A.

#836 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Attention Dual/Multi-booters: Latest GRUB (2.06-2) disables os-prober » 2023-02-28 19:41:29

Hello:

piledriver wrote:

... figured it was some form of operator error ...

So ...
It's a bug in the grub installer?

Best,

A.

#837 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Attention Dual/Multi-booters: Latest GRUB (2.06-2) disables os-prober » 2023-02-27 10:38:44

Hello:

piledriver wrote:

... "missing grub binaries" were just a path issue, had to do "su -" to get proper roots path ...

This has been so since the Beowulf release:

Devuan 3.1.0 Beowulf Release Notes wrote:

### What's new in this release
--- snip ---
Changes in su
- The behavior of su has changed. Use 'su -' to get root's path or use
   the full path to commands if you use only 'su'.
   
- There are several ways to get the old behavior. The easiest is to
   edit /etc/default/su to add the line:

    ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes

   See the following for more information:
   https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/ … -variables
   https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster
   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=905564

piledriver wrote:

... the grub installation "appears" broken, as the usual grub binaries and scripts are mia-- i.e no "grub-install" "grub-mkconfig" etc.

Could this be a bug?

The grub installer seems to ignore the new su behaviour as described in https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf … _notes.txt.

Not running an efi box, so can't say much more about this.

Best,

A.

#838 Re: Off-topic » SP Flash Tool and lsusb. » 2023-02-21 22:37:37

Hello:

Haven't come across this but ...

I don't think there's any magic or wonder of any sort going on here.

The fact that lsusb does not show the connected device only means that.
ie: that it does not show/detect it.

But it does not mean that the SP Flash Tool cannot read the processor information belonging to the Android device.
ie: after all, it is the SP Flash Tool app that is doing the reading.

The thing is that (from what you are saying) the only place the SP Flash Tool can check the processor data is on the Android device.
And the only way the SP Flash Tool can do that is through the USB connection you established by plugging in the device.

That is, unless I am missing some new and recently develped tech.

Best,

A.

#839 Re: Installation » Got sound in Firefox with only alsa and JACK! » 2023-02-19 20:31:26

Hello:

swanson wrote:

... but it's not in the repos?

LibreWolf is not in the Debian repositories and as a direct consequence, you will not find it in the Devuan repositories.

Now ...
Why is it not in the Debian repository?

No idea ...
Maybe for the same reason a number of other distributions don't don't have it in theirs.

But I don't know what that reason is.

Best,

A.

#840 Re: Installation » Install on a recent lenovo going badly, anyone know an answer » 2023-02-18 19:58:00

Hello:

Mike-thinky wrote:

... next thing to try is to ...

Have you seen this article in The Register?

-----
How to get Linux onto a non-approved laptop
Dell certifies certain models for Linux, but if yours isn't, all is not lost
Liam Proven
Fri 22 Jul 2022 // 16:00 UTC
-----

Best,

A.

#841 Re: Installation » Interesting article - systemd reaches out further » 2023-02-18 10:13:00

Hello:

andyprough wrote:

... plenty of laptop vendors selling corebooted Linux laptops ...

I have not been into laptops/portables for for over 15 years now.
For me, they ended up being rather expensive propositions with a very limited lifespan and nought repair possibilities.
ie: in comparison to all other hardware I have owned.

andyprough wrote:

... if you want a desktop, you can just build your own ...

That's what I did for many years till I purchased the box I have now and upgraded it to its full potential.
It's a Sun Microsystems Ultra 24 WS purchased in late 2015, second hand with ~ 4 years' use but in mint condition.

Like you point out, this is a WinTel thing, which obviously includes AMD and it will continue as it has been a very profitable business model for all involved.

The thing is that I don't see where to look for an aternative board/processor for this nice box.
And as the article I linked to makes blindingly obvious, the systemd virus is expanding more and more each day.

Thanks for your input.

Best,

A.

#842 Re: DIY » sudo and slim » 2023-02-17 22:16:27

Hello:

nahkhiirmees wrote:

... mixed libcups2 with libavahi3 when writing the previous messages.

You should check that then.

nahkhiirmees wrote:

... configure apt in a way that it downloads/installs only the "Depends" ...

Yes, install with the --no-install-recommends flag.

eg:

apt install --no-install-recommends [package_name_here]

See https://superuser.com/questions/615565/ … recommends for how to make that permanent in apt.

Best,

A.

#843 Installation » Interesting article - systemd reaches out further » 2023-02-17 20:43:36

Altoid
Replies: 3

Hello:

Just came across this article from The Register, one of my usual reading spots every morn.

As I started to read it, I immediately recalled Mike-thinky's plight.

Just a small tidbit to whet your appetite:

Liam Proven at ElReg wrote:

Three of the last four new laptops that have landed on The Reg FOSS desk came with Windows' Bitlocker FDE turned on by default. (The only one that didn't was Tuxedo Computers' Stellaris gen 4, a gaming laptop with a multicolor illuminated mechanical keyboard. As a machine intended to run Linux, that's not really a surprise.)

Many users might never even notice it, unless they try to dual-boot the computer with a non-Windows OS and find that nothing else can read the disk. Never fear: we have described how to turn it off and make such a machine ready to dual-boot.

I for one won't be letting go of my legacy BIOS booting box anytime soon, even if I have to resort to learning how to spin a custom tailored kernel for it.
But ...

How long will I be able to hold out?

Best,

A.

#844 Re: DIY » sudo and slim » 2023-02-16 23:50:05

Hello:

nahkhiirmees wrote:

... but i wonder why it is needed?

Run this in a terminal:

~$ aptitude why libcups3

I run Devuan Beowulf with a backported kernel:

~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 5.10.0-0.deb10.16-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.127-2~bpo10+1 (2022-07-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux
~$ 

I have cups installed:

~$ apt list | grep installed | grep -i cups
---
cups-bsd/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-client/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-common/oldstable,oldstable,oldstable-security,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 all [installed,automatic]
cups-core-drivers/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-daemon/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-filters-core-drivers/oldstable,now 1.21.6-5 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-filters/oldstable,now 1.21.6-5 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-ipp-utils/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-ppdc/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
cups-server-common/oldstable,oldstable,oldstable-security,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 all [installed,automatic]
cups/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed]
libcups2/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
libcups2/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 i386 [installed]
libcupsfilters1/oldstable,now 1.21.6-5 amd64 [installed,automatic]
libcupsimage2/oldstable,oldstable-security,now 2.2.10-6+deb10u6 amd64 [installed,automatic]
printer-driver-hpcups/oldstable,now 3.18.12+dfsg0-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
~$ 

But the library you referr to is not installed in my system:

~$ apt list | grep installed | grep -i libcups3
---
~$ 
~$ aptitude why libcups3
E: No package named "libcups3" exists.
~$ 

Maybe it is just a chimaera thing?

Best,

A.

#845 Re: Other Issues » how can I un-assign the special keys I assigned during installation? » 2023-02-16 16:48:29

Hello:

Carolina In My Mind wrote:

Devuan isn't letting me ...

Hmm ...
No.

Actually, Devuan will let you do almost anyhting. 8^°
You just have to ask nicely.

It is all here.

HTH.

Best,

JHM

#846 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Fixing broken Brother DCP-L3510CDW Printer Installation (howto) » 2023-02-16 12:18:22

Hello:

alexkemp wrote:

... seemed to me that the problem was probably with ScriptSafe, which is a script-blocker ...
---
(added clearance for that URL & the upload now worked ...

Glad you were able to work it out.

I see that there are only 36 open issues at the CUPS GitHub page and only 3 have not been looked at/sorted/classified yet.
The last 2 being from this month and one from less than a month ago.

Not bad at all, I've seen much worse.
eg: LibreOffice, XFCE and others.

Hopefully you'll get a request for more information or feedback of some sort within a fortnight.
Please keep us posted.

Best,

A.

#847 News & Announcements » Non GNU Linux Chimera » 2023-02-13 22:29:15

Altoid
Replies: 17

Hello:

Just stumbled on to this article.

Do note the spelling*.

Best,

A.

* Chimera, not Chimaera.

#848 Re: Installation » Install on a recent lenovo going badly, anyone know an answer » 2023-02-11 12:23:05

Hello:

Mike-thinky wrote:

... thinkpad L14 ...
... have the service manual ...
... cannot even get it to see the usb ...
... bios has quite a sparse menu ...

Hmm ...

You may want to have a read here and here.
ie: Enter BIOS during power on (before Windows loads)

The first page is for the first L14 series (type 20U1, 20U2) and the second is for the following L14 series (type 20U5, 20U6) ThinkPads.
The BIOS seem to be the same.

I don't have one of those laptops so I really cannot say, but it seems to me that you may not be accessing the whole of the BIOS settings.

Best,

A.

#849 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Fixing broken Brother DCP-L3510CDW Printer Installation (howto) » 2023-02-09 21:31:11

Hello:

alexkemp wrote:

... reported the issue to CUPS; see https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups/issues/611

Good.  8^)
It's a start.

Let's see what comes up.

alexkemp wrote:

... upload-utility failed ...

You may want to try the upload with a different browser.
eg: Pale Moon gives me all sorts of grief in many places.

Best,

A.

#850 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Bookworm's "which" pogram » 2023-02-09 01:06:24

Hello:

delgado wrote:

For f*** sake why? Completely unnecessary.

Hmm ...
No.

It's

For fuck's sake why?

Seriously, just who comes up with these dumb ideas?

which is one of the smartest and most useful Linux commands.

A.

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