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#51 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-19 22:16:12

Miracle - I have a bootable Devuan system, even with manually configured internet access via ethernet.

In the end I went down the expert install route as Pedro suggested and found it straightforward enough.

I used to have a highly customised Debian system on my previous laptop, which died a year ago. I'll have lots to figure out and install to get back what I had before.

But for starters bloody Windows is gone.

Thank you, thank you for your patience !

#52 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-19 14:19:06

PedroReina wrote:
ralph.ronnquist wrote:

I know that some people feel good about running an "Expert install" even though their need for that is nil

Just for the record, I feel at home using Expert install. I like to see all the options and answer all the cuestions. I did so in my first Debian instalation as a teaching tool for mysef and I do now (20+ years later) to see easily what is going on. Just my 0.02 currency units.

Good strategy, Pedro.

By the way I worked in Madrid for a few weeks; I ported a relational database to a UNIX system for the Catastro.

#53 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-19 03:03:44

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

Just for the sake of clarity: All partitioning choices, options and methods are available equally with "default install" and "expert install".

That's good to know. Will look at that later.
Undoubtedly, some choose Expert Install to feel better. wink

#54 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 22:35:55

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

@Élisabeth it appears you are using "Expert install" method and are skipping the "load components" step. (Otherwise you would have an ext4 formatting option)..

I couldn't resist giving it a quick try. You're a genius!

I selected a couple of components.
And all of a sudden the installation process was populated with setting clock and users.

And ... the partitioning options appeared.

#55 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 22:21:27

golinux wrote:

@Élisabeth . . . Have you looked at the install guide on the website?  There are images of the installation screens and comments too.

Of course ! wink
Partitioning is not detailed there.

#56 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 22:20:00

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

@Élisabeth it appears you are using "Expert install" method and are skipping the "load components" step. (Otherwise you would have an ext4 formatting option).

May advice on that would be: Don't. [...]

You're right. I skipped load components.
My understanding was you have to use Expert install to partition the disk as suggested above.
You might be right that that is overkill for the normal user - I don't know.
Up until the partitioning everything the options were clear.
I would need to see whether the default Installation offers me setting up locales, for example. (en_GB + fr_FR with French keyboard).

I'll look at load components and plain Install tomorrow.
Thanks for the tips.

#57 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 21:29:40

Élisabeth wrote:

I should go through the Debian installation process and see what options I'm being offered.

Expert install does not offer partitioning, at leat not before commencing the installation.

#58 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 21:02:39

What irony: In my previous experience ThinkPad was a safe bet for Linux conversion.
It was damned hard tracking one down in France  (lots in Germany but I wanted a French illuminated keyboard).

#59 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 21:00:19

I should go through the Debian installation process and see what options I'm being offered.

#60 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 20:55:44

rolfie wrote:

Your install is behaving un-normal. That no EFI partition is possible may be due to that the installer possibly is started in legacy mode.

Right at the beginning when I am presented with the initial installation screen, it says in the top left corner that I'M in UEFI installation mode.

#61 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 20:53:41

I just tried it again and photographed the partitioning screens.

How to use this partition:
Ext2
FAT16
FAT32
swap area
Reserved BIOS boot area
do not use this partition

I even took the Debian stick out before I got there.

#62 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 20:28:37

rolfie wrote:

I am sorry I don't get what you are doing, and why you have problems like not being able to set the boot flag and why ext4 isn't available. Are you using Manual Partitioning? This is recommended for an individual setup as you like it.

Steps:
1.) Highlight the disk where you want to install (sda, nvme....) and press Return (RET). You should be asked if you want to create a new partition table. Say yes and choose gpt (I just did that in a VM). May you have created partitions already, does not matter, they are getting deleted.
2.) When thats done, in the next screen you should see the disk and below that a line that says free space xxx GB. Move the cursor to the free space and press RET.
3.) On the next screen select "Create a new partition", press RET. Specify 256M as size, Beginning. Press RET.

That's exactly what I did.

rolfie wrote:

4.) On the next screen first scroll down to Use As (ext4 should be presented as default). Press RET. You should get a list with 15 choices starting with ext4, ext3, ..... , Do not use.
5.) Select EFI System Partition and press RET. You should get a screen where the name is empty, the bootable flag is already set. You can't specify any mount point here, this is done automagically by the install process.
6.) [...]
7.) [...]

There were at most 8 choices (ext2, FAT23, swap, ...) but no ext3 or ext4 and I'm sure no EFI System Partition.
I chose FAT32 as you wrote earlier that the EFI partition will be formatted as such.

rolfie wrote:

8.) On the next screen move the cursor to the large free space below the EFI partition. Press RET. Specify 64G, beginning, RET. Note: the installer leaves 1M empty before the EFI partition.
9.) Again you should see a screen that starts with Name, then Use as (you should see ext4 as default). You should leave everything at default, and just modify Name and Label. When you are happy move down the cursor to "Done setting up the Partition" and press RET.

Again, no ext4 or ext3 available.

rolfie wrote:

10.) Same game for the swap partition. Specify 16G and beginning. USE as Swap partition. Done RET.

Yes. That's what I did.

rolfie wrote:

Now you should have the disk split up in 256M EFI System, 64G for /, 16G for Swap and the rest for /home.

I did not proceed because of the above but that's the partition sizes I would have ended up with.
I followed exactly this procedure. The dialogs are exactly as you described. It's just that ext4 and EFI System weren't available as options.

#63 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 18:28:15

What about ext4 as rolfie suggested?

#64 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 17:22:27

rolfie wrote:

1.) 256M as "efi system partition", will be formatted as FAT32, bootable flag set, name is your choice (not required), will be mounted to /boot/efi later on. Will hold the efi starter.

I chose 256MB, FAT32 and /boot/efi as mount point.
It didn't allow me to set the bootable flag.
Afterwards I had a 1MB partition and the one I created was created a bit smaller. (I don't remember the exact figures.)

rolfie wrote:

3.) Unencrypted root: since you have a 500G disk/ssd I would spend 64G for /root.
5.) Rest for /home, ext4, name to your choice again.

ext4 is not offered as a choice, only ext2.

#65 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-18 15:31:19

PedroReina wrote:
rolfie wrote:

name is your choice (not required)

I name the partition as the function it has in the system: root, home, boot, etc. I comes handy when you see them with a file manager.

Good idea!

#66 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-17 21:30:00

rolfie wrote:

If you go for an unencrypted install which is much easier for a beginner, no separate /boot is required.

Well, unencrypted for me - Danke !

#67 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-17 19:51:45

On Install Devuan it says:

It's important to choose the correct  [GRUB] bootloader location. It should not be installed to a partition but to the MBR area which is located on the hard disk.

What does that mean in my set-up?

#68 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-17 19:48:07

rolfie wrote:

Stop, that not right. You need to go for an efi partitioning scheme. If you are getting asked, use GPT not msdos.

Good job, I asked !

rolfie wrote:

2.) 1024M to 2048M for /boot (but only if you want to encrypt your root). ext4, name is your choice (not required)

Do you mean 1024MB for unencrypted and 2048 for encrypted ?

#69 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-17 18:57:18

Dutch_Master wrote:

My suggestion:

  • 512MB for /boot

  • 40GB for /

  • 8GB for swap

  • the rest is for /home

I am prompted for Name / Use as / Bootable Flag

What is the convention for Name?
Bootable flag superfluous with gpt ?

  • 512MB for /boot   ext2?  Is that where grub goes later ?

  • 40GB for /        ext2?

  • 8GB for swap   swap?

  • the rest is for /home  ext4?

#70 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-17 06:22:38

I will need non-free firmware for WiFi. I think there's a package called firmware-iwlwifi.

I'm starting with an ethernet cable so I presume I can add this later.

#71 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-17 00:33:25

Dutch_Master wrote:

if you want to retain your Win-OS

Noooooo !
I just bought it to install Linux.

#72 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-16 21:14:21

Dutch_Master wrote:

My suggestion:

  • 512MB for /boot

  • 40GB for /

  • 8GB for swap

  • the rest is for /home

I have gone to the netinstall expert installation process up to the point of partioning.
The Windows disk currently has an EFI system partition. Is this needed?
Or do I  partition the whole disk and choose partition type gpt?

#73 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] USB image - Access Denied error » 2021-09-16 20:09:41

JWM-Kit wrote:

I guess I'm late to the conversation, but might I suggest using Balena Etcher to write the flash drive. It's a good tool and has a windows version. I suggest it because it worked for me when I had to create a Linux USB drive in windows.  I can't promise it will work, but it can't hurt to try.

Late to the party but I tried out of curiosity:

Chimeara netinstall | Balena Etcher|  Secure Boot Access Denied error

#74 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-16 07:49:54

I'll leave my email aside for the time being and think about mt set-up later.

I'll set up the partitions as you suggested.

#75 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-16 07:26:13

Another question: I saw in the installation process one can set multiple locals.

What I'd like to achieve is doing the installation in English, but I have a french keyboard, and once I have installed and know what I'm doing again, run my laptop in French.

I know that switch can be done later. But I saw the installer offered me to set up a second locale.

What's the best way to do this?

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