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#26 Re: Packaging for Devuan » different versions of same package, kicad » 2025-09-17 17:12:05

Either the appimage as mentioned or compiling your own version using perhaps /usr/local/bin as the place for the binary and an edit possibly of the make file to change the binary name to something like kicad7 for version7 for the new name to prevent confusion in running it.

#27 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] devuan (fresh install) noticeably slow compared to debian » 2025-09-13 01:03:40

What kind of message should I be looking for ?

Well the way I read that is there is a lack of useful information. At the very least we need to know if the software installed is identical in both OSs. For that matter the OSs versions involved. The method of determining this "slowness" that you are using. Without those and many more details no one will be able to help you.

#28 Re: Installation » Cant do upgrade Dadedalus to Ceres » 2025-09-10 22:03:49

apt-get is not going to be deprecated.

A quick reading of the release notes shows exactly one mention of apt-get and that is telling you to use it instead in scripts not to use apt. No one mentioned depreciation only the official documentation now saying use apt.

https://www.debian.org/releases/trixie/ … ading.html

#29 Re: Installation » Cant do upgrade Dadedalus to Ceres » 2025-09-10 19:05:30

Two points firstly you are lucky it is so close to the last Debian  release of Trixie as the unstable files as very similar to it still. So close that it will not cause much trouble skipping a full release and going to two versions ahead which is totally unsupported. Your path to upgrade in normal circumstances should have been the one single release the excalibur the equivalent of Trixie right now then another upgrade to ceres the unstable Debian version now used. The recommended commands to do this type of upgrading has changed Debian now says use apt instead of apt-get . So to do it first apt update then apt upgrade to ensure you are fully up to date with the version currently running after changing to the next one level higher operating system in the sources file you do apt update once more then  apt full-upgrade which now replaces the apt-get dist-upgrade. Of course it is your install you can do it using the old no longer recommended methods if you wish.

#30 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Minor issue after upgrading to excalibur » 2025-09-10 18:46:03

Have you digested the OP's = the_edge123 input correctly?

Oh yeah missed the stable part I only seen the code name and was focused on the "upgrading to excalibur" in the title. My point remains correct for any version you are running the base-files package sets the value in the files that tell you what you are running.

#31 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Minor issue after upgrading to excalibur » 2025-09-10 10:58:33

Does it have to be manually updated ?

It is possible you need to change it manually I did nothing and got it correctly done. The base-files package is responsible for that setting.

zeus@lenovo:~/Downloads$ apt policy base-files
base-files:
  Installed: 13.8+deb13u1devuan1
  Candidate: 13.8+deb13u1devuan1
  Version table:
 *** 13.8+deb13u1devuan1 500
        500 http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur-proposed-updates/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     13.8devuan1 500
        500 http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur/main amd64 Packages
zeus@lenovo:~/Downloads$ apt-file list base-files
base-files: /bin                          
base-files: /etc/debian_version
base-files: /etc/dpkg/origins/debian
base-files: /etc/host.conf
base-files: /etc/issue
base-files: /etc/issue.net
base-files: /etc/os-release
base-files: /etc/update-motd.d/10-uname
snip....
root@lenovo:~# cat /etc/devuan_version
excalibur

root@lenovo:~# cat /etc/debian_version
13.1
root@lenovo:~# cat /etc/os-release
PRETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux 6 (excalibur)"
NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="6"
VERSION="6 (excalibur)"
VERSION_CODENAME="excalibur"
ID=devuan
ID_LIKE=debian
HOME_URL="https://www.devuan.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://devuan.org/os/community"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.devuan.org/"

My sources file.

root@lenovo:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources 
# Devuan 6 excalibur
## The new style method of using repositories to install software.
## This /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources is new style and location file
## The /etc/apt/old.style.sources.list contains the same as this.
## https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntus-repository-configuration-ubuntu-sources-have-moved-to-etc-apt-sources-list-d-ubuntu-sources

## Normal excalibur sources
Types: deb
#URIs: http://ca.deb.devuan.org/merged
URIs: http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged
Suites: excalibur excalibur-backports excalibur-proposed-updates  excalibur-updates
Components: main non-free contrib non-free-firmware
Enabled: yes
Signed-By: /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg
Architectures: amd64

## excalibur security sources
Types: deb
#URIs: http://ca.deb.devuan.org/merged
URIs: http://deb.devuan.org/merged
Suites: excalibur-security
Components: main non-free contrib non-free-firmware
Enabled: yes
Signed-By: /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg
Architectures: amd64

#32 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] OpenRC Woes » 2025-09-06 19:06:33

I'm honestly terrified of installing a new system. This is the culmination of six years of tinkering and bodging, and so many little things have been adjusted that I've forgotten what exactly I did to make it all happen.

In future I would recommend an install log. Every system I install I do this it is a text file where I document every change made to the system, the reason for the change and if relevant the URLs of the web page(s) where I found the solution. This method has saved many a headache in trying to figure out the changes. I also use a ## Changed by me comment section in every configuration file changed where it was changed with a similar explanation block used for the change as goes in the install log. This makes it an easy grep to find any file I have made changes to.

#34 Re: Documentation » HOW TO: Install XLibre on Devuan » 2025-08-31 22:14:23

over waiting for it to be added onto either debian

You must have missed the direction the Debian project moves to, they are fully in control of the corporate parasites and their sympathizers  working to kill all of this old tested code for the new shinny. That is fully part of the corporate control of linux agenda they have and are most likely set to kill off X and any variants as you see start to happen with the Wayland only releases starting to appear from them. There is a snowballs chance in hell of any new variant of the X server appearing in Debian.

#35 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Should the live desktop auto start RAID arrays? » 2025-08-27 10:42:33

I did NOT try blacklisting the md modules, since I had no idea how to blacklist a module. That's on my list of things to investigate.

Simply create file in the /etc/modprobe.d/ with the module to be blacklisted and now I see/think about it, should the politically correct police have had that term changed to not be offensive in their minds....

An example of the system doing it.

root@9600k:~# cat /etc/modprobe.d/intel-microcode-blacklist.conf 
# The microcode module attempts to apply a microcode update when
# it autoloads.  This is not always safe, so we block it by default.
blacklist microcode

#36 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Devuan Thunderbird Release Channel v142? » 2025-08-24 23:42:42

I've spent the past few months, on and off, trying to figure out how to change my up-to-date Daedelus computer from  Thunderbird esr version (currently 128.14.0esr (64-bit) to the current (142?) Release Channel version.

You can get the stand alone .tar.xz version at the link below in whatever language you desire. It is fully self-contained and should just run on your system I would think.

https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla. … ux-x86_64/

Backup before trying it once you have downloaded and extracted the compressed file. Do at least the .thunderbird directory in your home making sure to have shutdown the current version if it is running to avoid a locked error from running instance when starting the new. Personally I am so paranoid of my machines I would do full backup and test on the backup instance. I have used this method for years and years with both this and firefox though for the email I switched to the betterbird for it, they just work.

#37 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland » 2025-08-20 22:39:10

I'm curious, why do you 'exec' when you are also '&' backgrounding ?

No clue I just adapted what was in the .xsessionrc file to a script for bash. It works and I was not interested trying any other way, I rather like sound it is the reason I switched to Linux when windows messed up my sound card well over twenty-six years ago now.

#38 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] No audio on Excalibur through pipewire on KDE wayland » 2025-08-20 17:10:58

I also wouldn't have to deal with this if by default when I install KDE with the

For KDE all that is needed is to have the pipewire and wireplumber packages installed and a script in the autostart used by it.

zeus@9600k:~/bin$ cat pipewire_start.sh 
#!/bin/bash

# Added to start pipewire on login to desktop
# https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5867
# was the ~/.xsessionrc -rw-rw-r-- permissions
# now ~/bin/pipewire_start.sh executable permissions
# as bash script loaded from KDE autostart in System Settings

# kill any existing pipewire instance to restore sound
pkill -u "$USER" -fx /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse 1>/dev/null 2>&1
pkill -u "$USER" -fx /usr/bin/wireplumber 1>/dev/null 2>&1
pkill -u "$USER" -fx /usr/bin/pipewire 1>/dev/null 2>&1

# start pipewire
exec /usr/bin/pipewire &

# wait for pipewire to start before attempting to start related daemons
while [ "$(pgrep -f /usr/bin/pipewire)" = "" ] ; do
   sleep 1
done

# start wireplumber
exec /usr/bin/wireplumber &

# start pipewire-pulse
exec /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse &

It works perfectly fine every time I log into my desktop.

#39 Re: Installation » wine-devel at Ceres? » 2025-08-18 15:40:16

And can i have winehq-staging at Devuan?

This posting seems to suggest you can do it on Trixie, so try and see.

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/c … ently_got/

#40 Re: Installation » wine-devel at Ceres? » 2025-08-17 22:09:28

You are welcome. You may want to check out this article on using extrepo I have just read. I was looking at it and it lists the winehq as one that can be installed for a Trixie based system. It is probably soon enough after the transition to stable from testing for it to install on a unstable based system.

https://linuxiac.com/how-to-use-extrepo … ositories/

The page that lists the Trixie repositories.

https://extrepo-team.pages.debian.net/e … index.html

Edit: It can be just as simple as changing the bookworm to trixie in your existing entry then apt update then the install command to see if it will now work for you.

#41 Re: Installation » wine-devel at Ceres? » 2025-08-17 14:10:41

no any ideas?

One would be to use the system as intended, bookworm sources are for a bookworm based install. There you will find the proper dependencies need for that software to install. Instead you try to use them on an install that is now four generations further along than bookworm. Which is now old stable with Trixie based system the stable, the Forky being the new testing and the Ceres being the unstable. That is just not going to work if you search the packages you will find the winehq-devel does not exist as that is not a Debian package name that would be winehq-dev if it existed as that is how Debian systems name the development packages. In short you try to do something which is impossible to do, install a bookworm based system if you want to have any hope in hell of it working. Or you could try using the modern versions of the packages and see if those will do what you need, see what it tells you is available for your install.

root@9600k:~# apt-cache search wine
dxvk - Vulkan-based translation layer for Direct3D 8/9/10/11
dxvk-wine64 - Vulkan-based translation layer for Direct3D 8/9/10/11 - wine64 build
dxvk-wine64-development - transitional package
fonts-wine - Windows API implementation - fonts
gnome-colors - set of GNOME icon themes
gnome-wine-icon-theme - red variation of the GNOME-Colors icon theme
innoextract - Tool for extracting data from an Inno Setup installer
libd3dadapter9-mesa - state-tracker for Direct3D9
libd3dadapter9-mesa-dev - state-tracker for Direct3D9 -- development files
librust-winapi-dev - Raw FFI bindings for all of Windows API - Rust source code
libwine - Windows API implementation - library
libwine-dev - Windows API implementation - development files
libwinpr3-dev - Windows Portable Runtime library (development files)
mingw-w64-i686-dev - Development files for MinGW-w64 targeting Win32
mingw-w64-ucrt64-dev - Development files for MinGW-w64 targeting Win64/UCRT
mingw-w64-x86-64-dev - Development files for MinGW-w64 targeting Win64
python3-neo - Python IO library for electrophysiological data formats
q4wine - Qt GUI for WINE
samba-common-bin - Samba common files used by both the server and the client
shiki-colors - set of Metacity/GTK-2+ themes
shiki-wine-theme - red variation of the Shiki-Colors theme
tellico - Collection manager for books, videos, music, etc
tellico-data - Collection manager for books, videos, music, etc [data]
tellico-doc - Collection manager for books, videos, music, etc [doc]
tellico-scripts - transitional package for tellico-data
twine - utility for interacting with PyPI
unmass - Extract game archive files
wine - Windows API implementation - standard suite
wine-binfmt - Register Wine as the interpreter for Windows executables
wine64 - Windows API implementation - 64-bit binary loader
wine64-preloader - Windows API implementation - prelinked 64-bit binary loader
wine64-tools - Windows API implementation - 64-bit developer tools
winpr3-utils - Windows Portable Runtime library command line utilities
nvda2speechd - Bridge between Windows applications and Speech dispatcher
nvdacontrollerclient - Bridge between Windows applications and Speech dispatcher
gemrb - Open-source engine to run Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale and Planescape: Torment
playonlinux - front-end for Wine
proton-caller - Run any Windows program through Valve's Proton
winetricks - simple tool to work around common problems in Wine
libwinpr3-3 - Windows Portable Runtime library

#42 Re: Installation » how to fix broken dep hell? » 2025-08-17 03:27:18

Thank man, but would you so kindly show clear instructions how pin packages?

root@9600k:~# cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/pinning
# Added to give priority to the testing packages

Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 950

Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 600

There is an example I used when I was running testing with unstable in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources file. I no longer use it as switched the file to have the excalibur used as it will soon be the new stable I want to run. When you create your file simply put the Pin-Priority: 1001 for the release you want used you can leave out all others.

#43 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » excalibur dist-upgrade? » 2025-08-15 23:09:37

Maybe take a look at Void Linux as a possible alternative - https://voidlinux.org/

I tried it once and you had better be prepared to be doing a lot of searching on the way to do a lot of things Debian does for you by default. Starting with booting it on another machine if cloning as their broken EFI implementation uses a direct entry to the firmware and does not setup the normal /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.efi that allows you to use the boot menu to choose another install. To be fair the Arch people do the same. So you need to set that up yourself then if logging in via ssh good luck on knowing what machine you log into as it does no tell you with either the MOTD when logging in or give a clue in the Terminal title you are using if graphical. Then numerous other things I had to go and copy the sensible Debian default configs to it I forget now but are still laying around in that install notes files. Oh and now I think the total deal breaker for me was in KDE it would show existing bookmarks in Dolphin with absolutely no way to add, modify or delete them without going to the config file and doing it manually. Additional deal breaker totally non intuitive naming of the packages if you need to install and you will because the dependency resolution is trash, if use to the sensible Debian naming scheme. That all from the memory of that experience doing it that comes to mind quickly.

#44 Re: Installation » "the desktop file refractainstaller.desktop is in an ..." » 2025-08-15 22:49:04

This kind of crap reminds me of the one time many years ago when I tried windoze vista.
....
Oh wait, i'm pretty sure I just described UEFI...never mind.

Which of course is another piece of garbage brought to us by the idiots at Microsoft.

#45 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » excalibur dist-upgrade? » 2025-08-15 15:04:18

Not that I am wanting to do a dist-upgrade

Doubt you would want to the recommended command is now apt full-upgrade after using the normal  apt update then apt upgrade to ensure you are using the latest software before the move to the new OS. For the supposed mess upon upgrading. I did a Excalibur upgrade on one of my servers on cloned drive to test it out couple of days ago. It went perfectly fine so I cloned back the drive to it and two other server machines that were running the Daedalus. I have never really had problems with the old dist-upgrade or the new full-upgrade in twenty years of using a Debian based system. Whenever Woody came out is when I started so the next Debian 4 would have been my first experience doing it. They usually just work for me and the vast majority of people out there. Some have problems but that is to be expected as some have made so many changes to the defaults there are bound to be conflicts.

#46 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Can't even install yt-dlp in Devuan 6, many things are broken » 2025-08-13 21:24:10

Can you guys post me your sources.list file please?

Here is what I use I think it gives all that is available when I look at it on a mirror. It uses a German mirror as I found that to be one of the more reliable ones out there.

root@9600k:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources
# Devuan 6 excalibur
## The new style method of using repositories to install software.
## This /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.sources is new style and location file
## The /etc/apt/old.style.sources.list contains the same as this.
## https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntus-repository-configuration-ubuntu-sources-have-moved-to-etc-apt-sources-list-d-ubuntu-sources

## Normal excalibur sources
Types: deb
#URIs: http://ca.deb.devuan.org/merged
URIs: http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged
Suites: excalibur excalibur-backports excalibur-proposed-updates  excalibur-updates
Components: main non-free contrib non-free-firmware
Enabled: yes
Signed-By: /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg
Architectures: amd64

## excalibur security sources
Types: deb
#URIs: http://ca.deb.devuan.org/merged
URIs: http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged
Suites: excalibur-security
Components: main non-free contrib non-free-firmware
Enabled: yes
Signed-By: /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg
Architectures: amd64

## Normal unstable sources
Types: deb
#URIs: http://ca.deb.devuan.org/merged
URIs: http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged
Suites: unstable
Components: main non-free contrib non-free-firmware
Enabled: no
Signed-By: /usr/share/keyrings/devuan-archive-keyring.gpg
Architectures: amd64

I have it installed from what would be the unstable I would think  before I disabled it when Trixie was released.

zeus@9600k:~$ apt policy yt-dlp
yt-dlp:
  Installed: 2025.07.21-1
  Candidate: 2025.07.21-1
  Version table:
 *** 2025.07.21-1 100
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     2025.04.30-1 950
        950 http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur/main amd64 Packages

#47 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » daedalus: iwlwifi firmware missing for linux-image-6.12.38+deb12-amd64 » 2025-08-12 22:13:23

I upgraded the kernel to 6.12.38+deb12-amd64, bootet into it and the wi-fi was offline. Then, I bootet the old kernel 6.1 again and wi-fi was online.

Since you are using a package that is one generation release on from the default you are using, I would check to make sure you have the iwlwifi packages from the same source as it installed too. The daedalus-backports should have the firmware-iwlwifi need to match that kernel looking at the Debian packages that should be there in it.

https://packages.debian.org/search?keyw … ection=all

At least that is what it would give me if needed running the same kernel on excalibur.

zeus@9600k:~$ apt policy firmware-iwlwifi
firmware-iwlwifi:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 20250410-2
  Version table:
     20250410-2 950
        950 http://de.deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur/non-free-firmware amd64 P>
zeus@9600k:~$ uname -r
6.12.38+deb13-amd64

Edit: and I would make certain you have backup network connection that works before installing the wifi package and risking having none if only method of connecting fails with that package too.

#48 Re: Installation » Fresh install vs dist-upgrade for next release » 2025-08-11 16:09:43

I installed Debian in June 2004

I started with Woody in July of 2002 Google tells me for the release, or somewhere close to that as it was the first I used. It has been my experience in these past couple of decades that upgrading using the tools provided by Debian just works. Though now the dist-upgrade has been replaced by the full-upgrade which still does the same terrific job.

#49 Re: Other Issues » Stardict - possibly problematic application? » 2025-08-09 01:27:01

With some plugins, StarDict sends the user's X11 selection from other applications to some servers: dict.youdao.com and dict.cn

Yes if you enable english to chinese translation which not a lot of people are going to do. Even if they have it installed which checking here I do not. These click-bait fud spreaders are out in full force on this one, I have seen this posted everywhere by them. With the same zero useful information presented as is typical of those postings, as in this posting as well...

#50 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Strange directories in root » 2025-07-28 18:45:36

But 'network-manager' and 'avahi-daemon' was both near enough in the timeline.
I've disabled both (no need for them, as it is a desktop-machine) with update-rc.d

The network-manager is needed by KDE if you use it to show in its network widget, the avahi-daemon advertises network services to other devices on the network you may need both if those things stop working now.

Edit: In KDE you will still get network connection if another method of obtaining the IP is used but the widget will display no connections at all.

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